Page_Error versus Application_Error Error Handling??

[Matt]

Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application? Is
there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already capturing
errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to discussions
about when to use which function it would be helpful.

[Marina]

Re: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

In Page_Error you can redirect the user someplace, or just change the output
of the page to some user friendly error message.

In Application_Err or, all you can do is log the error somehow. You can't do
anything with the request.

I would use Application_Err or for those cases where the page isn't handling
the error for some reason, as a last resort to log the error. If a page can
handle its own errors and gracefully deal with them, it should do so in
Page_Error.

"Matt" <mddittman@nosp am.com> wrote in message
news:OzJ$U0WrFH A.4044@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
> and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application?
> Is there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already
> capturing errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to
> discussions about when to use which function it would be helpful.
>[/color]

[Clint Hill]

Re: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

Good question. And subsequently not a really good answer.

"It depends".

I know that isn't what you wanted to hear, but let me explain. Page and
Application two different scopes (obviously). And so with that in mind,
your Exceptions would occur in one and/or the other scope.

How far up the stack do you want to catch errors?

Clint Hill
H3O Software

http://www.h3osoftware.com

Matt wrote:[color=blue]
> Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
> and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application? Is
> there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already capturing
> errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to discussions
> about when to use which function it would be helpful.
>
>[/color]

[Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) - MVP]

RE: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

There are times where you can compensate for an error at the page level
rather than send it up to a generic application level handler. It is all a
matter of scope. As much as possible, try to handle things at the smallest
scope you can.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

*************** ************
Think Outside the Box!
*************** ************


"Matt" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
> and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application? Is
> there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already capturing
> errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to discussions
> about when to use which function it would be helpful.
>
>
>[/color]

[Clint Hill]

Re: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

Actually you can redirect and do whatever you like with the Request
inside of Application_Err or. You can use the Response.Redire ct or grab
the HttpContext.Cur rent and do whatever.

Clint Hill
H3O Software

http://www.h3osoftware.com

Marina wrote:[color=blue]
> In Page_Error you can redirect the user someplace, or just change the output
> of the page to some user friendly error message.
>
> In Application_Err or, all you can do is log the error somehow. You can't do
> anything with the request.
>
> I would use Application_Err or for those cases where the page isn't handling
> the error for some reason, as a last resort to log the error. If a page can
> handle its own errors and gracefully deal with them, it should do so in
> Page_Error.
>
> "Matt" <mddittman@nosp am.com> wrote in message
> news:OzJ$U0WrFH A.4044@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...
>[color=green]
>>Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
>>and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application?
>>Is there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already
>>capturing errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to
>>discussions about when to use which function it would be helpful.
>>[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

[Matt]

Re: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

Well, all we want to do is catch any error that the app experiences, write
the error stack, the page name, and other information to the database, and
send an email to the developers. We already handle some small stuff with
try/catches and appropriate messages to the user within applications. This
is for data connection problems, 404's, etc. that wouldn't be the user's
fault.

I was under the impression that you could do it piecemeal in each page, OR
consolidate it in the Application_Err or function. Any error that doesn't
get caught in the Page_Error, or any error that IS caught but isn't cleared,
gets caught by the Application_Err or in the global.

Since we're just capturing each error for our notifications purposes and not
having different actions for each page, I thought that the best thing to do
would be to do this once in the Application_Err or. The error gets put in
the database, the email gets sent, and the user is shown an error page as
assigned in the CustomErrors node in the web.config.

Other developers here feel that we should have both the Application_Err or
AND the Page_Error in use; but they are not talking about having specific
Page_Errors for individual pages. They are talking about putting a
catch-all Page_Error in our custom Page base class, from which all our pages
inherit. The justification that was offered for this is that they say there
are errors that aren't necessarily 'application errors' but are actually
'page errors', and that these errors will not be trapped by the
Application_Err or function... but they will be caught by the Page_Error
function. I tend to believe that isn't true; any .NET error will be caught
by the Application_Err or (since the application is actually the entire
website); and that in this situation, using both the Application_Err or and
the Page_Error is redundant.

Am I wrong? If so, could someone give me an example of some C# code that
could cause an error that would be trapped with the Page_Error function but
not by the Application_Err or function?



"Clint Hill" <clint.hill@nos pamath3osoftwar e.com> wrote in message
news:OE%2312WXr FHA.2596@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Good question. And subsequently not a really good answer.
>
> "It depends".
>
> I know that isn't what you wanted to hear, but let me explain. Page and
> Application two different scopes (obviously). And so with that in mind,
> your Exceptions would occur in one and/or the other scope.
>
> How far up the stack do you want to catch errors?
>
> Clint Hill
> H3O Software
> http://www.h3osoftware.com
>
>
> Matt wrote:[color=green]
>> Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
>> and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application?
>> Is there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already
>> capturing errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to
>> discussions about when to use which function it would be helpful.[/color][/color]

[Matt]

Re: Page_Error versus Application_Err or Error Handling??

Is there any reason, in doing generic error logging, to use the Page_Error
(unless you are doing something specific to that page)?


"Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) - MVP" <NoSpamMgbworld @comcast.netNoS pamM> wrote
in message news:209FE647-BC5D-499C-B4CF-C0D89E4020B2@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> There are times where you can compensate for an error at the page level
> rather than send it up to a generic application level handler. It is all a
> matter of scope. As much as possible, try to handle things at the smallest
> scope you can.
>
> --
> Gregory A. Beamer
> MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA
>
> *************** ************
> Think Outside the Box!
> *************** ************
>
>
> "Matt" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Can anyone give me a good reason to use BOTH application scope Page_Error
>> and the page scope Page_Error when trapping errors in a web application?
>> Is
>> there any real benefit to using the Page_Error if you are already
>> capturing
>> errors in Application_Err or? Also, if you have any links to discussions
>> about when to use which function it would be helpful.
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]