Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

[Don Wash]

Hi All!

First of all I would like to say that VS.NET is one of the finest IDE I've
used in years. It really helps me code quickly. Workspace management using
auto hide windows, minimizing and maximizing of code segments, TO-DO list
management and automatic documentation (to name a few) are all superb. So I
really want to make the VS.NET IDE the primary development tool for me.

However, when it comes to developing ASP.NET websites, I have some
confusions. For instance, when I develop websites in ASP.NET, I want some of
them to be HTML and others to be ASPX. But the Solution Explorer only shows
ASPX files and other limited set of files. So I have to use Notepad or
Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files. This is really a pain when
rapidly developing ASPX websites.

Also it is hard to distinguish and manage the website files (ASPX and HTML
files) with VS.NET project files (vbproj, vbproj.webinfo and sln files to
name a few). In Classic ASP, all the development was done separately on VB6
or C++ and only the resulting DLL file is ported to the web directory so no
issues of mixing up project files and web files (but of course DLL hell is
there :P).

I must admit that my knowledge of VS.NET is only beginner level so that I'm
hoping someone to shed some light on this.

Many Thanks!
Don

[Mark Rae]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

"Don Wash" <don@wash.com > wrote in message
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> However, when it comes to developing ASP.NET websites, I have some
> confusions. For instance, when I develop websites in ASP.NET, I want some[/color]
of[color=blue]
> them to be HTML and others to be ASPX. But the Solution Explorer only[/color]
shows[color=blue]
> ASPX files and other limited set of files. So I have to use Notepad or
> Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files. This is really a pain when
> rapidly developing ASPX websites.[/color]

1) If you haven't added the HTML files to your project, they won't display
in the Solution Explorer unless you click the Show All Files button.

2) To add a new HTML file into an ASP.NET project, right-click the project
name, select Add, then Add HTML page.

3) To add an existing HTML file into an ASP.NET project, simply drag it into
the project from Windows Explorer, into a folder if you want.

[Rob Meade]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

"Don Wash" wrote ...

Hi Don,
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> For instance, when I develop websites in ASP.NET, I want some of
> them to be HTML and others to be ASPX. But the Solution Explorer only[/color]
shows[color=blue]
> ASPX files and other limited set of files. So I have to use Notepad or
> Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files. This is really a pain when
> rapidly developing ASPX websites.[/color]

Right-click on your project - choose 'Add new item' - scroll down a bit and
you'll see a HTML page option - it adds files as page.htm for example.
[color=blue]
> Also it is hard to distinguish and manage the website files (ASPX and HTML
> files) with VS.NET project files (vbproj, vbproj.webinfo and sln files to
> name a few).[/color]

In VS you can hide most of the file types or show them, such as the aspx.vb
and and aspx.res - the button to toggle is above your solution name in
Solution Explorer - 3rd in from the left..
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> I must admit that my knowledge of VS.NET is only beginner level so that[/color]
I'm[color=blue]
> hoping someone to shed some light on this.[/color]

Mine too - but at least point 1 above should help :o)

Regards

Rob

[Doug]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

<<<So I have to use Notepad or Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files.
This is really a pain when rapidly developing ASPX websites.>>

Don - I feel your pain!

I agree that VS.NET is superb and I use it for all of my code-behind work
and testing/debugging.

BUT

When I'm doing any serious development work I switch back and forth between
VS.NET and Dreamweaver. The reason for this is that when you are editing
HTML, VS.NET may decide to completely rearrange your HTML code (in your ASPX
or HTML files). It doesn't simply give you your original page layout but
with different HTML - it actaully gives you a brand new layout - and one you
probably won't like that in no way resembles your original layout (and no
way to undo the re arrangement).

This is a well-known and big-time issue with developers that Microsoft is
plenty aware of and they're promising to fix it in the next release of
Visual Studio - so there's no need to start yet another heated debate over
this issue here. In any case the first time it happens to you, you'll be
running for Dreamweaver or Notepad.

Separately, VS.NET is not designed nor intended to provide many of the site
management features packed into Dreamweaver.

Don't get rid of Dreamweaver quite yet.

-D

[Don Wash]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

Thanks Ron,

Any ideas on the problem I've presented to Mark?

Cheers,
Don

"Rob Meade" <robert.meade@N OSPAMubht.swest .nhs.uk> wrote in message
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> "Don Wash" wrote ...
>
> Hi Don,
>[color=green]
> > For instance, when I develop websites in ASP.NET, I want some of
> > them to be HTML and others to be ASPX. But the Solution Explorer only[/color]
> shows[color=green]
> > ASPX files and other limited set of files. So I have to use Notepad or
> > Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files. This is really a pain when
> > rapidly developing ASPX websites.[/color]
>
> Right-click on your project - choose 'Add new item' - scroll down a bit[/color]
and[color=blue]
> you'll see a HTML page option - it adds files as page.htm for example.
>[color=green]
> > Also it is hard to distinguish and manage the website files (ASPX and[/color][/color]
HTML[color=blue][color=green]
> > files) with VS.NET project files (vbproj, vbproj.webinfo and sln files[/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> > name a few).[/color]
>
> In VS you can hide most of the file types or show them, such as the[/color]
aspx.vb[color=blue]
> and and aspx.res - the button to toggle is above your solution name in
> Solution Explorer - 3rd in from the left..
>[color=green]
> > I must admit that my knowledge of VS.NET is only beginner level so that[/color]
> I'm[color=green]
> > hoping someone to shed some light on this.[/color]
>
> Mine too - but at least point 1 above should help :o)
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>[/color]

[Don Wash]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply! I can now see the HTML files and other files. However,
how can I solve the problem that VS.NET project files are mixing with web
files? Obviously I don't want them to be uploaded to the web server.

Thanks again,
Don

"Mark Rae" <mark@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:edlyseUeEH A.1356@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Don Wash" <don@wash.com > wrote in message
> news:%23tdzzYUe EHA.2784@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..
>[color=green]
> > However, when it comes to developing ASP.NET websites, I have some
> > confusions. For instance, when I develop websites in ASP.NET, I want[/color][/color]
some[color=blue]
> of[color=green]
> > them to be HTML and others to be ASPX. But the Solution Explorer only[/color]
> shows[color=green]
> > ASPX files and other limited set of files. So I have to use Notepad or
> > Dreamweaver to edit the HTML and other files. This is really a pain when
> > rapidly developing ASPX websites.[/color]
>
> 1) If you haven't added the HTML files to your project, they won't display
> in the Solution Explorer unless you click the Show All Files button.
>
> 2) To add a new HTML file into an ASP.NET project, right-click the project
> name, select Add, then Add HTML page.
>
> 3) To add an existing HTML file into an ASP.NET project, simply drag it[/color]
into[color=blue]
> the project from Windows Explorer, into a folder if you want.
>
>[/color]

[Rob Meade]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

"Don Wash" wrote ...
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> Any ideas on the problem I've presented to Mark?[/color]

Just replied to that...

:o)

Rob

[Rob Meade]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

"Don Wash" wrote ...
[color=blue]
> Thanks for the reply! I can now see the HTML files and other files.[/color]
However,[color=blue]
> how can I solve the problem that VS.NET project files are mixing with web
> files? Obviously I don't want them to be uploaded to the web server.[/color]

Hi Don,

When you finish your project you can specify which files get sent to the
destination - you can specify all files associated to this project, or only
files needed to run this project etc etc..

I dont typically worry about whats on my localhost machine when developing
something, when I send it up I just fire off the files needed to run the
projects and its always been happy so far...

It was a bit odd to get to grips with initially, one of the classics was
when I dropped files manually into the directory it had already put my
project files in - I then opened VS to find that they were displayed -
having spent over an hour going back and forth, back and forth and swearing
quite a lot - comments regarding VS, comments regarding .Net I evenutally
found the "add items" options and realised what I had to do...

Bare with it - it does get easier ;o)

Regards

Rob

[Scott M.]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

> This is a well-known and big-time issue with developers that Microsoft is[color=blue]
> plenty aware of and they're promising to fix it in the next release of
> Visual Studio - so there's no need to start yet another heated debate over
> this issue here. In any case the first time it happens to you, you'll be
> running for Dreamweaver or Notepad.[/color]

The "Auto Format" feature you speak of can be configured or even turned off
from within the Tools...Options dialogs.

[Doug]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

> The "Auto Format" feature you speak of can be configured or even turned
off[color=blue]
> from within the Tools...Options dialogs.[/color]


Really - where specifically is it? Can you tell me exactly how to turn it
off?

I'm especially interested being that there (1) I didn't find it there - and
I have looked carefully (2) online help doesn't mention it, and (3) are many
discussions in this very group mention how it's a big problem that Microsoft
is addressing. I have previously asked about it in this group as have many
others and the response has always been the same - "...wait for the 2005
version - until then, don't throw away your favorite HTML editor..."

[Lucas Tam]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

"Doug" <ClubMott@Liver more.com> wrote in news:OYnAbAVeEH A.3132
@TK2MSFTNGP11.p hx.gbl:
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> Don't get rid of Dreamweaver quite yet.[/color]

I wholeheartedly agree. Dreamweaver kicks VS.NET's butt when it comes to
HTML editing.

--
Lucas Tam (REMOVEnntp@rog ers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.

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[Greg Burns]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

(credit to Herfried, if I recall, for the link)

http://blogs.msdn.com/MikhailArkhipov/archive/2004/05/16/132886.aspx

"You do can switch formatting off in Tools | Options, but it will not solve
the underlying issue, it will only switch off pretty formatting."

Never tried turning it off myself, but sounds like it may still not help a
whole lot. Very aggravating.

Greg


"Doug" <ClubMott@Liver more.com> wrote in message
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> > The "Auto Format" feature you speak of can be configured or even turned[/color]
> off[color=green]
> > from within the Tools...Options dialogs.[/color]
>
>
> Really - where specifically is it? Can you tell me exactly how to turn it
> off?
>
> I'm especially interested being that there (1) I didn't find it there -[/color]
and[color=blue]
> I have looked carefully (2) online help doesn't mention it, and (3) are[/color]
many[color=blue]
> discussions in this very group mention how it's a big problem that[/color]
Microsoft[color=blue]
> is addressing. I have previously asked about it in this group as have many
> others and the response has always been the same - "...wait for the 2005
> version - until then, don't throw away your favorite HTML editor..."
>
>[/color]

[Cor Ligthert]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

Don,[color=blue]
> Thanks for the reply! I can now see the HTML files and other files.[/color]
However,[color=blue]
> how can I solve the problem that VS.NET project files are mixing with web
> files? Obviously I don't want them to be uploaded to the web server.
>[/color]
Why do you upload your project files to the webserver?

Cor

[Cor Ligthert]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

Doug,

Visual Studio Net is in my opinion perfect for HTML editing, however not for
cut and past Website development. For that are better tools.

Just my opinion.

Cor

[Cor Ligthert]

Re: Is Visual Studio .NET ideal for ASP.NET + HTML site?

Greg,

For HTML editing I never use the designview part I go direct to "view in
browser", that is very fast and implements direct my javascript and css even
when I store that on a server on the other and of the world.

Cor