MSDN Examples flawed

**S. Justin Gengo** · Nov 17 '05, 09:45 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Stamen,

Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the grid
before the edit operation.

So, in the page load sub use:

If Not IsPostBack Then
'---Bind your grid here
End If

(Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you don't
have to rebind the grid.)

Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.

Sincerely,

--
S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer

Free code library at:
www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzche

"Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the internet
> (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they look
> like:
>
> =============== =========
> On Page_Load
> if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
>
> On_Edit
> Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> BindGrid
>
> void BindGrid()
> Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> =============== =========
>
> Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
>
> Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names ORDER BY
> Name" and you have two records in it:
> ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> ID=2, Name = "cccc"
>
> So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> 2 "cccc" edit-button
>
> during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE someone
> inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit button,
> however, you get following grid:
> 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> 2 "cccc" edit-button
>
> I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to guard
> against this problem?
>
> Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I thought of[/color]
a[color=blue]
> logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion occur,[/color]
I[color=blue]
> will write about it.
>
> All best
>
> Stamen
>
>[/color]

**Stamen Gortchev** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Hallo Justin,

thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am doing:
The code below is not immune against database changes:

private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
{
if (!IsPostBack)
{
this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
}
}

private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
{
this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
DataGrid1.DataB ind();
}

What do you think about it?

Thanks
Stamen

"S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Stamen,
>
> Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the grid
> before the edit operation.
>
> So, in the page load sub use:
>
> If Not IsPostBack Then
> '---Bind your grid here
> End If
>
> (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you don't
> have to rebind the grid.)
>
> Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> Web Developer
>
> Free code library at:
> www.aboutfortunate.com
>
> "Out of chaos comes order."
> Nietzche
>
>
> "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the internet
> > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they look
> > like:
> >
> > =============== =========
> > On Page_Load
> > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> >
> > On_Edit
> > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > BindGrid
> >
> > void BindGrid()
> > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > =============== =========
> >
> > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> >
> > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names ORDER BY
> > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> >
> > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> >
> > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color][/color]
someone[color=blue][color=green]
> > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color][/color]
button,[color=blue][color=green]
> > however, you get following grid:
> > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> >
> > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color][/color]
guard[color=blue][color=green]
> > against this problem?
> >
> > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I thought[/color][/color]
of[color=blue]
> a[color=green]
> > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color][/color]
occur,[color=blue]
> I[color=green]
> > will write about it.
> >
> > All best
> >
> > Stamen
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**John Saunders** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

"Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi all,
>
> I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the internet
> (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they look
> like:[/color]

Could you please post a reference to an MSDN article which says you should
reload the data from the database before the edit?
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
john.saunders@s urfcontrol.com

**S. Justin Gengo** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Stamen,

As long as your entries have a primary key I don't see how they could be
compromised. Of course any well designed database uses a primary key to make
certain that a row is unique.

Are the Id's that you are referring to not primary keys?

Sincerely,

--
S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer

Free code library at:
www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzche

"Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hallo Justin,
>
> thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am doing:
> The code below is not immune against database changes:
>
> private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> {
> if (!IsPostBack)
> {
> this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> }
> }
>
> private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> {
> this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> }
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> Thanks
> Stamen
>
>
> "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Stamen,
> >
> > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the grid
> > before the edit operation.
> >
> > So, in the page load sub use:
> >
> > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > '---Bind your grid here
> > End If
> >
> > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color][/color]
don't[color=blue][color=green]
> > have to rebind the grid.)
> >
> > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > --
> > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > Web Developer
> >
> > Free code library at:
> > www.aboutfortunate.com
> >
> > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > Nietzche
> >
> >
> > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color][/color][/color]
internet[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they[/color][/color][/color]
look[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > like:
> > >
> > > =============== =========
> > > On Page_Load
> > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > >
> > > On_Edit
> > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > BindGrid
> > >
> > > void BindGrid()
> > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > =============== =========
> > >
> > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > >
> > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names ORDER[/color][/color][/color]
BY[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > >
> > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > >
> > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color][/color]
> someone[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color][/color]
> button,[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > however, you get following grid:
> > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > >
> > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color][/color]
> guard[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > against this problem?
> > >
> > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color][/color][/color]
thought[color=blue]
> of[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color][/color]
> occur,[color=green]
> > I[color=darkred]
> > > will write about it.
> > >
> > > All best
> > >
> > > Stamen
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Stamen Gortchev** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Justin,

sorry for the late response - I only use newsgroups from work..

I know what you mean and I have tried it. Unfortunately, I still have that
"one-click-delay". All I do is this:
I pul a dataadapter on my Webform, fill dataset and bind it to a datagrid
(all done with my mouse). Then in the page_load event I call
If not ispostback
dataadapter.fil l (ds, tablename)
datagrid.databi nd

And the Edit-event is the way you tell me. And it is still not
working..:-( I do not tamper with the viewstate of neither element as per
default it is always set to true, isn't it? I use VS2003.

If you think I foget something, can you please send me a small example where
it works - I hope it would be interesting for you to try it for yourself and
then ou can perhaps email it to me. I will write you an email in order not
to get thousands of virus mails into my mailbox.

Thanks again

Stamen

"S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O8oDGEDhDH A.2544@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Stamen,
>
> In the example I emailed to you I forgot to tell you to also remove the
> databind. Of course if you databind to an empty dataset your grid will be
> blank.
>
> You should be making certain that the datagrid itself has it's viewstate[/color]
set[color=blue]
> to true (as should any object it may be contained in such as a panel and[/color]
the[color=blue]
> page object.
>
> Then your code should simply set that row to be editable:
>
> private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> {
> DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> }
>
> Since the datagrid is now not being repopulated from the database it will
> only contain the original data and thus no problem...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> Web Developer
>
> Free code library at:
> www.aboutfortunate.com
>
> "Out of chaos comes order."
> Nietzche
>
>
> "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hallo Justin,
> >
> > thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am[/color][/color]
doing:[color=blue][color=green]
> > The code below is not immune against database changes:
> >
> > private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> > {
> > if (!IsPostBack)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> > this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> > }
> > }
> >
> > private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> > System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> > DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> > DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> > }
> >
> > What do you think about it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stamen
> >
> >
> > "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Stamen,
> > >
> > > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the[/color][/color][/color]
grid[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > before the edit operation.
> > >
> > > So, in the page load sub use:
> > >
> > > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > > '---Bind your grid here
> > > End If
> > >
> > > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color][/color]
> don't[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > have to rebind the grid.)
> > >
> > > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > --
> > > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > > Web Developer
> > >
> > > Free code library at:
> > > www.aboutfortunate.com
> > >
> > > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > > Nietzche
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color][/color]
> internet[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they[/color][/color]
> look[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > like:
> > > >
> > > > =============== =========
> > > > On Page_Load
> > > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > > >
> > > > On_Edit
> > > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > > BindGrid
> > > >
> > > > void BindGrid()
> > > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > > =============== =========
> > > >
> > > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > > >
> > > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names[/color][/color][/color]
ORDER[color=blue]
> BY[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > > >
> > > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color]
> > someone[color=darkred]
> > > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color]
> > button,[color=darkred]
> > > > however, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color]
> > guard[color=darkred]
> > > > against this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color][/color]
> thought[color=green]
> > of[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color]
> > occur,[color=darkred]
> > > I
> > > > will write about it.
> > > >
> > > > All best
> > > >
> > > > Stamen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Stamen Gortchev** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

John,

an example of Datagrid using can be found at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...asp?frame=true

Forget the Update event, concentrate on the Edit -it illustrates the point
nicely.

What they do is the following:
They get the row number (for example 2) which should be edited from the
datagrid's viewstate and set this row in the datagrid to be edited (row 2).
then they re-read the data and rebind the grid. If, however, the newly
reloaded data contains another row on that place (2) we get the
inconsistency.

I tried Auto generate columns=true, primary keys and so on... nothing
wirks..

Thanks
Stamen

"John Saunders" <john.saunders@ surfcontrol.com > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:u6aY564gDH A.696@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the internet
> > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they look
> > like:[/color]
>
> Could you please post a reference to an MSDN article which says you should
> reload the data from the database before the edit?
> --
> John Saunders
> Internet Engineer
> john.saunders@s urfcontrol.com
>
>[/color]

**Stamen Gortchev** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Hi Justin,

the table has two Columns: CountryID and Country - the sorting is done on
Country not on CountryID, which of course is a primary key. The prblem of
this approach is that it expects when refilling the datagrid that all
records will come in the same order, what is quite an optimistic expectation
in the general case.

I tried your proposition of not refilling the dataadapter - it does not work
at all, as now data gets shown on the repost.

I had tried another approach:

On_Edit_Event
set editIndex=click edIndex
Exit

hoping that the grid gets reloaded from the ViewState. Unfortunately this
does not work for some reason: The first time i click [Edit], nothing
happens. The second time I click - the record enters edit-state wehich I
have clicked the first time - so there is something like a "one click lag".
Therefore i think that the event comes up too late - when the grid has
already been initialized or somethink like that..:-(

That's it! The most rigorous approach seems to be like this:

In the edit_event, read the id of the data reord (CountryID). Refill the
Grid. Find the row containing the data record with the found ID. Set this
row in Edit mode. But it beats the purpose of ViewState and all..

Sorry for the long message

Cheers

Stamen

"S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:%23D14Ha6g DHA.1700@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Stamen,
>
> As long as your entries have a primary key I don't see how they could be
> compromised. Of course any well designed database uses a primary key to[/color]
make[color=blue]
> certain that a row is unique.
>
> Are the Id's that you are referring to not primary keys?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> Web Developer
>
> Free code library at:
> www.aboutfortunate.com
>
> "Out of chaos comes order."
> Nietzche
>
>
> "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hallo Justin,
> >
> > thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am[/color][/color]
doing:[color=blue][color=green]
> > The code below is not immune against database changes:
> >
> > private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> > {
> > if (!IsPostBack)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> > this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> > }
> > }
> >
> > private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> > System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> > DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> > DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> > }
> >
> > What do you think about it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stamen
> >
> >
> > "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Stamen,
> > >
> > > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the[/color][/color][/color]
grid[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > before the edit operation.
> > >
> > > So, in the page load sub use:
> > >
> > > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > > '---Bind your grid here
> > > End If
> > >
> > > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color][/color]
> don't[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > have to rebind the grid.)
> > >
> > > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > --
> > > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > > Web Developer
> > >
> > > Free code library at:
> > > www.aboutfortunate.com
> > >
> > > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > > Nietzche
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color][/color]
> internet[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they[/color][/color]
> look[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > like:
> > > >
> > > > =============== =========
> > > > On Page_Load
> > > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > > >
> > > > On_Edit
> > > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > > BindGrid
> > > >
> > > > void BindGrid()
> > > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > > =============== =========
> > > >
> > > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > > >
> > > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names[/color][/color][/color]
ORDER[color=blue]
> BY[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > > >
> > > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color]
> > someone[color=darkred]
> > > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color]
> > button,[color=darkred]
> > > > however, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color]
> > guard[color=darkred]
> > > > against this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color][/color]
> thought[color=green]
> > of[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color]
> > occur,[color=darkred]
> > > I
> > > > will write about it.
> > > >
> > > > All best
> > > >
> > > > Stamen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**S. Justin Gengo** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Stamen,

In the example I emailed to you I forgot to tell you to also remove the
databind. Of course if you databind to an empty dataset your grid will be
blank.

You should be making certain that the datagrid itself has it's viewstate set
to true (as should any object it may be contained in such as a panel and the
page object.

Then your code should simply set that row to be editable:

private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
{
DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
}

Since the datagrid is now not being repopulated from the database it will
only contain the original data and thus no problem...

Sincerely,

--
S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer

Free code library at:
www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzche

"Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hallo Justin,
>
> thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am doing:
> The code below is not immune against database changes:
>
> private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> {
> if (!IsPostBack)
> {
> this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> }
> }
>
> private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> {
> this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> }
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> Thanks
> Stamen
>
>
> "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Stamen,
> >
> > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the grid
> > before the edit operation.
> >
> > So, in the page load sub use:
> >
> > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > '---Bind your grid here
> > End If
> >
> > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color][/color]
don't[color=blue][color=green]
> > have to rebind the grid.)
> >
> > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > --
> > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > Web Developer
> >
> > Free code library at:
> > www.aboutfortunate.com
> >
> > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > Nietzche
> >
> >
> > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color][/color][/color]
internet[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they[/color][/color][/color]
look[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > like:
> > >
> > > =============== =========
> > > On Page_Load
> > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > >
> > > On_Edit
> > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > BindGrid
> > >
> > > void BindGrid()
> > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > =============== =========
> > >
> > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > >
> > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names ORDER[/color][/color][/color]
BY[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > >
> > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > >
> > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color][/color]
> someone[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color][/color]
> button,[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > however, you get following grid:
> > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > >
> > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color][/color]
> guard[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > against this problem?
> > >
> > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color][/color][/color]
thought[color=blue]
> of[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color][/color]
> occur,[color=green]
> > I[color=darkred]
> > > will write about it.
> > >
> > > All best
> > >
> > > Stamen
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**S. Justin Gengo** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Stamen,

In the example I emailed to you I forgot to tell you to also remove the
databind. Of course if you databind to an empty dataset your grid will be
blank.

You should be making certain that the datagrid itself has it's viewstate set
to true (as should any object it may be contained in such as a panel and the
page object. The datagrid should certainly re-populate itself from
viewstate. If it doesn't then something else is wrong with your code.

Then your code should simply set that row to be editable:

private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
{
DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
}

Since the datagrid is now not being repopulated from the database it will
only contain the original data and thus no problem...

Sincerely,

--
S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer

Free code library at:
www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzche

"Stamen Gortchev" <nospam@nospam. de> wrote in message
news:O%234eAYCh DHA.1048@TK2MSF TNGP11.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Hi Justin,
>
> the table has two Columns: CountryID and Country - the sorting is done on
> Country not on CountryID, which of course is a primary key. The prblem of
> this approach is that it expects when refilling the datagrid that all
> records will come in the same order, what is quite an optimistic[/color]
expectation[color=blue]
> in the general case.
>
> I tried your proposition of not refilling the dataadapter - it does not[/color]
work[color=blue]
> at all, as now data gets shown on the repost.
>
> I had tried another approach:
>
> On_Edit_Event
> set editIndex=click edIndex
> Exit
>
> hoping that the grid gets reloaded from the ViewState. Unfortunately this
> does not work for some reason: The first time i click [Edit], nothing
> happens. The second time I click - the record enters edit-state wehich I
> have clicked the first time - so there is something like a "one click[/color]
lag".[color=blue]
> Therefore i think that the event comes up too late - when the grid has
> already been initialized or somethink like that..:-(
>
> That's it! The most rigorous approach seems to be like this:
>
> In the edit_event, read the id of the data reord (CountryID). Refill the
> Grid. Find the row containing the data record with the found ID. Set this
> row in Edit mode. But it beats the purpose of ViewState and all..
>
> Sorry for the long message
>
> Cheers
>
> Stamen
>
>
>
> "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:%23D14Ha6g DHA.1700@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
> > Stamen,
> >
> > As long as your entries have a primary key I don't see how they could be
> > compromised. Of course any well designed database uses a primary key to[/color]
> make[color=green]
> > certain that a row is unique.
> >
> > Are the Id's that you are referring to not primary keys?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > --
> > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > Web Developer
> >
> > Free code library at:
> > www.aboutfortunate.com
> >
> > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > Nietzche
> >
> >
> > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Hallo Justin,
> > >
> > > thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am[/color][/color]
> doing:[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > The code below is not immune against database changes:
> > >
> > > private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> > > {
> > > if (!IsPostBack)
> > > {
> > > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> > > this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> > > }
> > > }
> > >
> > > private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> > > System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> > > {
> > > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> > > DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> > > DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> > > }
> > >
> > > What do you think about it?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Stamen
> > >
> > >
> > > "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > > news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Stamen,
> > > >
> > > > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the[/color][/color]
> grid[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > before the edit operation.
> > > >
> > > > So, in the page load sub use:
> > > >
> > > > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > > > '---Bind your grid here
> > > > End If
> > > >
> > > > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color]
> > don't[color=darkred]
> > > > have to rebind the grid.)
> > > >
> > > > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > > > Web Developer
> > > >
> > > > Free code library at:
> > > > www.aboutfortunate.com
> > > >
> > > > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > > > Nietzche
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > > > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color]
> > internet[color=darkred]
> > > > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how[/color][/color][/color]
they[color=blue][color=green]
> > look[color=darkred]
> > > > > like:
> > > > >
> > > > > =============== =========
> > > > > On Page_Load
> > > > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > > > >
> > > > > On_Edit
> > > > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > > > BindGrid
> > > > >
> > > > > void BindGrid()
> > > > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > > > =============== =========
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > > > >
> > > > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names[/color][/color]
> ORDER[color=green]
> > BY[color=darkred]
> > > > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > > > >
> > > > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > > >
> > > > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE
> > > someone
> > > > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit
> > > button,
> > > > > however, you get following grid:
> > > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution[/color][/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > guard
> > > > > against this problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color]
> > thought[color=darkred]
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion
> > > occur,
> > > > I
> > > > > will write about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > All best
> > > > >
> > > > > Stamen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**John Saunders** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

"Stamen Gortchev" <nospam@nospam. de> wrote in message
news:O%234eAYCh DHA.1048@TK2MSF TNGP11.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Hi Justin,
>
> the table has two Columns: CountryID and Country - the sorting is done on
> Country not on CountryID, which of course is a primary key. The prblem of
> this approach is that it expects when refilling the datagrid that all
> records will come in the same order, what is quite an optimistic[/color]
expectation[color=blue]
> in the general case.
>
> I tried your proposition of not refilling the dataadapter - it does not[/color]
work[color=blue]
> at all, as now data gets shown on the repost.
>
> I had tried another approach:
>
> On_Edit_Event
> set editIndex=click edIndex
> Exit[/color]

Try calling DataGrid.DataBi nd after you set EditItemIndex.
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
john.saunders@s urfcontrol.com

**John Saunders** · Nov 17 '05, 09:46 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

"Stamen Gortchev" <nospam@nospam. de> wrote in message
news:OLSemXAhDH A.2544@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> John,
>
> an example of Datagrid using can be found at:
>[/color]
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...asp?frame=true

Stamen,

I took a look at that link, you're correct - that's a bug.

I submitted the issue to Microsoft by clicking the "feedback" link at the
bottom of the page. I got a response saying they'll look into correcting it
in future documentation. I was also told that the same pattern is used in
several places in the documentation and in the QuickStarts, and that the
issue will be raised for both.

I've had good response from the Microsoft Documentation and Training people
when I've commented on the MSDN documentation. I've always received a
prompt, courteous and even intelligent response. I haven't seen the results
in the documentation yet, but I'll be checking when the 2.0 documentation
comes out. : -)
--
John Saunders
Internet Engineer
john.saunders@s urfcontrol.com

**Stamen Gortchev** · Nov 17 '05, 09:47 PM

Re: MSDN Examples flawed

Justin,

sorry for the late response - I only use newsgroups from work..

I know what you mean and I have tried it. Unfortunately, I still have that
"one-click-delay". All I do is this:
I pul a dataadapter on my Webform, fill dataset and bind it to a datagrid
(all done with my mouse). Then in the page_load event I call
If not ispostback
dataadapter.fil l (ds, tablename)
datagrid.databi nd

And the Edit-event is the way you tell me. And it is still not
working..:-( I do not tamper with the viewstate of neither element as per
default it is always set to true, isn't it? I use VS2003.

If you think I foget something, can you please send me a small example where
it works - I hope it would be interesting for you to try it for yourself and
then ou can perhaps email it to me. I will write you an email in order not
to get thousands of virus mails into my mailbox.

Thanks again

Stamen

"S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:O8oDGEDhDH A.2544@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Stamen,
>
> In the example I emailed to you I forgot to tell you to also remove the
> databind. Of course if you databind to an empty dataset your grid will be
> blank.
>
> You should be making certain that the datagrid itself has it's viewstate[/color]
set[color=blue]
> to true (as should any object it may be contained in such as a panel and[/color]
the[color=blue]
> page object.
>
> Then your code should simply set that row to be editable:
>
> private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> {
> DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> }
>
> Since the datagrid is now not being repopulated from the database it will
> only contain the original data and thus no problem...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> Web Developer
>
> Free code library at:
> www.aboutfortunate.com
>
> "Out of chaos comes order."
> Nietzche
>
>
> "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> news:ODSqq23gDH A.2124@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hallo Justin,
> >
> > thanks for replying. What you propose however is exactly what I am[/color][/color]
doing:[color=blue][color=green]
> > The code below is not immune against database changes:
> >
> > private void Page_Load(objec t sender, System.EventArg s e)
> > {
> > if (!IsPostBack)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Countrys") ;
> > this.DataGrid1. DataBind();
> > }
> > }
> >
> > private void DataGrid1_EditC ommand(object source,
> > System.Web.UI.W ebControls.Data GridCommandEven tArgs e)
> > {
> > this.da.Fill(ds 1, "Names");
> > DataGrid1.EditI temIndex = e.Item.ItemInde x;
> > DataGrid1.DataB ind();
> > }
> >
> > What do you think about it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Stamen
> >
> >
> > "S. Justin Gengo" <sjgengo@aboutf ortunate.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> > news:eNuFsp2gDH A.2292@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Stamen,
> > >
> > > Typically when doing an operation like this you wouldn't rebind the[/color][/color][/color]
grid[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > before the edit operation.
> > >
> > > So, in the page load sub use:
> > >
> > > If Not IsPostBack Then
> > > '---Bind your grid here
> > > End If
> > >
> > > (Make certain that viewstate is turned on for the grid. This way you[/color][/color]
> don't[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > have to rebind the grid.)
> > >
> > > Then rebind the grid after you edit the data.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > --
> > > S. Justin Gengo, MCP
> > > Web Developer
> > >
> > > Free code library at:
> > > www.aboutfortunate.com
> > >
> > > "Out of chaos comes order."
> > > Nietzche
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stamen Gortchev" <s.gortchev@onv entis.de> wrote in message
> > > news:uuNuSR0gDH A.1648@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I think there is an inherent problem with most examples on the[/color][/color]
> internet[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > (with MSDN, too!) showing datagrid's databinding. Here is, how they[/color][/color]
> look[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > like:
> > > >
> > > > =============== =========
> > > > On Page_Load
> > > > if !IsPostBack: BindGrid()
> > > >
> > > > On_Edit
> > > > Set datagrid's EditItem to clicked item
> > > > BindGrid
> > > >
> > > > void BindGrid()
> > > > Fill DataSet through dataadapter
> > > > DataGrid.DataBi nd()
> > > > =============== =========
> > > >
> > > > Imagine a simple table "Names" with two columns: NameID and Name
> > > >
> > > > Your SQL Select Statement reads "SELECT NameID, Name FROM Names[/color][/color][/color]
ORDER[color=blue]
> BY[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Name" and you have two records in it:
> > > > ID=1, Name = "aaaa"
> > > > ID=2, Name = "cccc"
> > > >
> > > > So, the first time you call the page, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > during the time in which you are viewing this html page on your IE[/color]
> > someone[color=darkred]
> > > > inserts another record in the table: "ID=3, Name='bbbb'".
> > > > Then you click the edit button of the second row into your grid (2
> > > > "cccc") intending to edit the name "cccc". When you klick the edit[/color]
> > button,[color=darkred]
> > > > however, you get following grid:
> > > > 1 "aaaa" edit-button
> > > > 3 [bbbb] - updatable!!! Update-button, cancel-button
> > > > 2 "cccc" edit-button
> > > >
> > > > I am sure, you ghet what the reason is. What is the best solution to[/color]
> > guard[color=darkred]
> > > > against this problem?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for taking your time and understanding what I mean. I[/color][/color]
> thought[color=green]
> > of[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > logical solution which however does not work. In case a discussion[/color]
> > occur,[color=darkred]
> > > I
> > > > will write about it.
> > > >
> > > > All best
> > > >
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