Need a good Book

[Johnfli]

Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.

We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web Edition.
I am looking for a good book that I can go through that will show me the new
and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that some things still
work from my old web site, but they no longer work on the new site.

Thanks

[Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]]

Re: Need a good Book

I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals with
classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish date that new is
going ot be geared to ASP.Net.

Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and you
won't have to buy a book?





"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
news:uOANpnp0GH A.1040@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>
We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web Edition.
I am looking for a good book that I can go through that will show me the
new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that some things
still work from my old web site, but they no longer work on the new site.
>
Thanks
>

[Johnfli]

Re: Need a good Book

Well, I have to create some new stuff. I have to be able to display data
from my SQL Server and allow 'some' people to add new records and modify
some records eetc. all teh fun stuff.

But on the exsistign webpage that we have, I had to do some modifications
with how to retrieve data from my sql, setup bookmarks etc.
I also had a page that I could fill out some fields and it would send it out
as an email. Had to dosome changes to that as well as teh CDONTS seemed to
no longer be apart of IIS6.

Is there a good (or decent) program I can use that would help with doing teh
visual layout? On NT4, I would use front page to do the visual layout of
teh site, then I would code the rest using asp.

if I have to learn asp.net, then I guess I'll need to.



"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in message
news:e6bCaSq0GH A.480@TK2MSFTNG P06.phx.gbl...

>I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals with
>classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish date that new is
>going ot be geared to ASP.Net.
>
Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and you
won't have to buy a book?
>
>
>
>
>
"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
news:uOANpnp0GH A.1040@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

>Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>>
>We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web
>Edition. I am looking for a good book that I can go through that will
>show me the new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that
>some things still work from my old web site, but they no longer work on
>the new site.
>>
>Thanks
>>

>
>

[Jon Paal]

Re: Need a good Book

this is a help group. please post a specific question if you expect any assistance, not vague "nothing seems to work" statements.

-- CDONTS is replaced by CDO, also the webhost may support other mail components.

--if you want to use frontpage (not recommended) see if the webhost supports frontpage extensions.

-- to allow users to modify records you need a form that gets submitted and processed with ADO.

if you don't understand this then I seriously doubt you will be able to migrate to ASP.net as it is ten fold more complicated.



"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message news:OJLxxpq0GH A.1256@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

Well, I have to create some new stuff. I have to be able to display data from my SQL Server and allow 'some' people to add new
records and modify some records eetc. all teh fun stuff.
>
But on the exsistign webpage that we have, I had to do some modifications with how to retrieve data from my sql, setup bookmarks
etc.
I also had a page that I could fill out some fields and it would send it out as an email. Had to dosome changes to that as well
as teh CDONTS seemed to no longer be apart of IIS6.
>
Is there a good (or decent) program I can use that would help with doing teh visual layout? On NT4, I would use front page to
do the visual layout of teh site, then I would code the rest using asp.
>
if I have to learn asp.net, then I guess I'll need to.
>
>
>
"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in message news:e6bCaSq0GH A.480@TK2MSFTNG P06.phx.gbl...

>>I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals with classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish
>>date that new is going ot be geared to ASP.Net.
>>
>Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and you won't have to buy a book?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message news:uOANpnp0GH A.1040@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

>>Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>>>
>>We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web Edition. I am looking for a good book that I can go through
>>that will show me the new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that some things still work from my old web site,
>>but they no longer work on the new site.
>>>
>>Thanks
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Johnfli]

Re: Need a good Book

Well, I would have hoped that you had read my first post first, then the
second post. I never said "nothing seems to work". I also stated that I
had to do some modifications to get me email page to work, along with other
modifications for other pages.

On top of that, by me saying that we upgraded out webserver from NT4 to 2003
web edition, that implies that we are hosting our own site so asking the
webhost for various components, is also not applicable.

And posting a specific question, I did in my first post in this thread.
As for my second post, it was in response to Aaron.





"Jon Paal" <Jon nospam Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:12g0plb1jj 1c052@corp.supe rnews.com...

this is a help group. please post a specific question if you expect any
assistance, not vague "nothing seems to work" statements.
>
-- CDONTS is replaced by CDO, also the webhost may support other mail
components.
>
--if you want to use frontpage (not recommended) see if the webhost
supports frontpage extensions.
>
-- to allow users to modify records you need a form that gets submitted
and processed with ADO.
>
if you don't understand this then I seriously doubt you will be able to
migrate to ASP.net as it is ten fold more complicated.
>
>
>
"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
news:OJLxxpq0GH A.1256@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

>Well, I have to create some new stuff. I have to be able to display
>data from my SQL Server and allow 'some' people to add new records and
>modify some records eetc. all teh fun stuff.
>>
>But on the exsistign webpage that we have, I had to do some modifications
>with how to retrieve data from my sql, setup bookmarks etc.
>I also had a page that I could fill out some fields and it would send it
>out as an email. Had to dosome changes to that as well as teh CDONTS
>seemed to no longer be apart of IIS6.
>>
>Is there a good (or decent) program I can use that would help with doing
>teh visual layout? On NT4, I would use front page to do the visual
>layout of teh site, then I would code the rest using asp.
>>
>if I have to learn asp.net, then I guess I'll need to.
>>
>>
>>
>"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in
>message news:e6bCaSq0GH A.480@TK2MSFTNG P06.phx.gbl...

>>>I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals with
>>>classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish date that new is
>>>going ot be geared to ASP.Net.
>>>
>>Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and you
>>won't have to buy a book?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
>>news:uOANpnp0 GHA.1040@TK2MSF TNGP06.phx.gbl. ..
>>>Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>>>>
>>>We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web
>>>Edition. I am looking for a good book that I can go through that will
>>>show me the new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that
>>>some things still work from my old web site, but they no longer work on
>>>the new site.
>>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]]

Re: Need a good Book

second post. I never said "nothing seems to work".

Right, you said "some things...no longer work."

A

[Johnfli]

Re: Need a good Book

anyway;
Seeing how it does look like I'll need to start doing the asp.net stuff, is
there a good book that will not only tell about the features of it, but also
has good examples?



"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in message
news:uP8QLMr0GH A.2636@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...

>second post. I never said "nothing seems to work".

>
Right, you said "some things...no longer work."
>
A
>

[Mike Brind]

Re: Need a good Book

CDONTS was deprecated and has not been available since Windows Server
2000. Parent paths are no longer enabled by default on 2003, so
<!--#include file="../../somefile.asp won't work, and you might be
dealing with a newer version of MDAC. Oh, and classic ASP is not
enabled by default.

The only changes I had to make when migrating from NT4 to 2003 revolved
around CDONTS to CDO, and parent paths. What data access changes did
you have to make?

Finally, there's no reason why you can't continue to use FP as a
WYSIWYG editor. Alternatively, you could download a free copy of
Visual Web Developer Express and use that, although it's not ideal.

--
Mike Brind

Johnfli wrote:

Well, I would have hoped that you had read my first post first, then the
second post. I never said "nothing seems to work". I also stated that I
had to do some modifications to get me email page to work, along with other
modifications for other pages.
>
On top of that, by me saying that we upgraded out webserver from NT4 to 2003
web edition, that implies that we are hosting our own site so asking the
webhost for various components, is also not applicable.
>
And posting a specific question, I did in my first post in this thread.
As for my second post, it was in response to Aaron.
>
>
>
>
>
"Jon Paal" <Jon nospam Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:12g0plb1jj 1c052@corp.supe rnews.com...

this is a help group. please post a specific question if you expect any
assistance, not vague "nothing seems to work" statements.

-- CDONTS is replaced by CDO, also the webhost may support other mail
components.

--if you want to use frontpage (not recommended) see if the webhost
supports frontpage extensions.

-- to allow users to modify records you need a form that gets submitted
and processed with ADO.

if you don't understand this then I seriously doubt you will be able to
migrate to ASP.net as it is ten fold more complicated.



"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
news:OJLxxpq0GH A.1256@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...

Well, I have to create some new stuff. I have to be able to display
data from my SQL Server and allow 'some' people to add new records and
modify some records eetc. all teh fun stuff.
>
But on the exsistign webpage that we have, I had to do some modifications
with how to retrieve data from my sql, setup bookmarks etc.
I also had a page that I could fill out some fields and it would send it
out as an email. Had to dosome changes to that as well as teh CDONTS
seemed to no longer be apart of IIS6.
>
Is there a good (or decent) program I can use that would help with doing
teh visual layout? On NT4, I would use front page to do the visual
layout of teh site, then I would code the rest using asp.
>
if I have to learn asp.net, then I guess I'll need to.
>
>
>
"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in
message news:e6bCaSq0GH A.480@TK2MSFTNG P06.phx.gbl...
>>I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals with
>>classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish date that new is
>>going ot be geared to ASP.Net.
>>
>Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and you
>won't have to buy a book?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
>news:uOANpnp0G HA.1040@TK2MSFT NGP06.phx.gbl.. .
>>Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>>>
>>We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web
>>Edition. I am looking for a good book that I can go through that will
>>show me the new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out that
>>some things still work from my old web site, but they no longer work on
>>the new site.
>>>
>>Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Johnfli]

Re: Need a good Book

I was looking at the Visual Web Developer Express, so I might as well
download and give it a shot.
Well, I was pretty lucky with the email page I had, I didn't have to worry
about any attachments, so once I found the correct way to call the 2003 SMTP
part, the rest was pretty easy.

As far as my data issues, I forget what exactly I had to do, but it
basically was that IIS6 was less forgiving. I remember that I had to
specify the lock type, and a few other things.

Let me know if you really want to know, and I'll go dig up the changes from
the code.



"Mike Brind" <paxtonend@hotm ail.comwrote in message
news:1157658060 .638566.105890@ m73g2000cwd.goo glegroups.com.. .

CDONTS was deprecated and has not been available since Windows Server
2000. Parent paths are no longer enabled by default on 2003, so
<!--#include file="../../somefile.asp won't work, and you might be
dealing with a newer version of MDAC. Oh, and classic ASP is not
enabled by default.
>
The only changes I had to make when migrating from NT4 to 2003 revolved
around CDONTS to CDO, and parent paths. What data access changes did
you have to make?
>
Finally, there's no reason why you can't continue to use FP as a
WYSIWYG editor. Alternatively, you could download a free copy of
Visual Web Developer Express and use that, although it's not ideal.
>
--
Mike Brind
>
Johnfli wrote:

>Well, I would have hoped that you had read my first post first, then the
>second post. I never said "nothing seems to work". I also stated that
>I
>had to do some modifications to get me email page to work, along with
>other
>modification s for other pages.
>>
>On top of that, by me saying that we upgraded out webserver from NT4 to
>2003
>web edition, that implies that we are hosting our own site so asking the
>webhost for various components, is also not applicable.
>>
>And posting a specific question, I did in my first post in this thread.
>As for my second post, it was in response to Aaron.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>"Jon Paal" <Jon nospam Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
>news:12g0plb1j j1c052@corp.sup ernews.com...

this is a help group. please post a specific question if you expect
any
assistance, not vague "nothing seems to work" statements.
>
-- CDONTS is replaced by CDO, also the webhost may support other mail
components.
>
--if you want to use frontpage (not recommended) see if the webhost
supports frontpage extensions.
>
-- to allow users to modify records you need a form that gets submitted
and processed with ADO.
>
if you don't understand this then I seriously doubt you will be able to
migrate to ASP.net as it is ten fold more complicated.
>
>
>
"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
news:OJLxxpq0GH A.1256@TK2MSFTN GP04.phx.gbl...
>Well, I have to create some new stuff. I have to be able to display
>data from my SQL Server and allow 'some' people to add new records and
>modify some records eetc. all teh fun stuff.
>>
>But on the exsistign webpage that we have, I had to do some
>modification s
>with how to retrieve data from my sql, setup bookmarks etc.
>I also had a page that I could fill out some fields and it would send
>it
>out as an email. Had to dosome changes to that as well as teh CDONTS
>seemed to no longer be apart of IIS6.
>>
>Is there a good (or decent) program I can use that would help with
>doing
>teh visual layout? On NT4, I would use front page to do the visual
>layout of teh site, then I would code the rest using asp.
>>
>if I have to learn asp.net, then I guess I'll need to.
>>
>>
>>
>"Aaron Bertrand [SQL Server MVP]" <ten.xoc@dnartr eb.noraawrote in
>message news:e6bCaSq0GH A.480@TK2MSFTNG P06.phx.gbl...
>>>I have serious doubts that you will find a quality book that deals
>>>with
>>>classic ASP on Windows 2003. Everything with a publish date that new
>>>is
>>>going ot be geared to ASP.Net.
>>>
>>Can you explain what "no longer work" means? Maybe we can help and
>>you
>>won't have to buy a book?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>"Johnfli" <john@ivhs.uswr ote in message
>>news:uOANpnp0 GHA.1040@TK2MSF TNGP06.phx.gbl. ..
>>>Most of my ASP programming experience is on NT4.
>>>>
>>>We recently upgraded (replaced) our NT4 webserver with Win2k3 Web
>>>Edition. I am looking for a good book that I can go through that
>>>will
>>>show me the new and different ways IIS6 does things. I found out
>>>that
>>>some things still work from my old web site, but they no longer work
>>>on
>>>the new site.
>>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

>