Is Interdev needed for ASP?

[Bruce W...1]

I've got the latest Visual Studio and have been doing ASP.NET websites.
Now I want to do a traditional ASP (not .NET) website.

I gather that these are done with Visual Interdev. Is Visual Studio 7
suitable for doing an ASP website?

I'm a little confused about where Visual Interdev fit in. Was it a part
of Visual Studio or was it a standalone product?

Is any ASP functionality lost or gained in VS 7 (.NET aside)?

Is VS 7 a suitable tool for ASP?

Is anyone that's maintaining an ASP website using VS 7 for this
purpose? If not then why?

Thanks for your help.

[Aaron Bertrand [MVP]]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

> I've got the latest Visual Studio and have been doing ASP.NET websites.[color=blue]
> Now I want to do a traditional ASP (not .NET) website.
>
> I gather that these are done with Visual Interdev. Is Visual Studio 7
> suitable for doing an ASP website?[/color]

Sure, but not necessary. I use Visual Studio.NET to modify ASP pages, but
not to create applications, debug, use any of the wizards, etc. I use it
for the intellisense and color coding, which some other editors can do as
well. Otherwise, I could get my work done just as easily in notepad.
[color=blue]
> I'm a little confused about where Visual Interdev fit in. Was it a part
> of Visual Studio or was it a standalone product?[/color]

Both.

[Steven Burn]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

I'm just using a mix of Notepad, and my own custom built Mercury Editor but
then, I don't do it professionally ;o)

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Bruce W...1 <bruce@noDirect Email.com> wrote in message
news:3FA2C2F6.E D15A13D@noDirec tEmail.com...[color=blue]
> I've got the latest Visual Studio and have been doing ASP.NET websites.
> Now I want to do a traditional ASP (not .NET) website.
>
> I gather that these are done with Visual Interdev. Is Visual Studio 7
> suitable for doing an ASP website?
>
> I'm a little confused about where Visual Interdev fit in. Was it a part
> of Visual Studio or was it a standalone product?
>
> Is any ASP functionality lost or gained in VS 7 (.NET aside)?
>
> Is VS 7 a suitable tool for ASP?
>
> Is anyone that's maintaining an ASP website using VS 7 for this
> purpose? If not then why?
>
> Thanks for your help.[/color]

[Peter Foti]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

"Bruce W...1" <bruce@noDirect Email.com> wrote in message
news:3FA2C2F6.E D15A13D@noDirec tEmail.com...[color=blue]
> I've got the latest Visual Studio and have been doing ASP.NET websites.
> Now I want to do a traditional ASP (not .NET) website.
>
> I gather that these are done with Visual Interdev. Is Visual Studio 7
> suitable for doing an ASP website?[/color]

You can write ASP with any text editor, including Notepad. You don't need
Visual Interdev, but that development environment will provide debugging
tools that will make developing ASP easier (in some cases). Personally, I
use Macromedia Homesite for all of my ASP/HTML development. I moved away
from Visual Interdev when I found it changing my code. Homesite doesn't
have the debugging features of Interdev, but I'd rather rely on my own wits
to debug if the alternative is using an editor that thinks it knows better
than me what I want my code to look like.
[color=blue]
> I'm a little confused about where Visual Interdev fit in. Was it a part
> of Visual Studio or was it a standalone product?[/color]

Both I believe.
[color=blue]
> Is any ASP functionality lost or gained in VS 7 (.NET aside)?[/color]

ASP is a platform that runs on the server (IIS, etc.). VS 7 is a
development environment. There may be different debugging tools or options
in that development environment, but as far as ASP goes you can write the
exact same code in one development environment that you could in another.
[color=blue]
> Is VS 7 a suitable tool for ASP?[/color]

I presume you mean for writing ASP code? Unfortunately, I've not used 7.
But 6 had the nasty side effect of changing my code, sometimes deleting
important pieces. So I move away from Interdev.
[color=blue]
> Is anyone that's maintaining an ASP website using VS 7 for this
> purpose? If not then why?[/color]

See my comments above. :)
Regards,
Peter Foti

[Bob Barrows]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

Peter Foti wrote:[color=blue]
> development. I moved away from Visual Interdev when I found it
> changing my code.[/color]

This can be prevented. I do not have any problems with code changing with
VID.

Bob Barrows

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quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.

[ljb]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

How? I've found VId quite troublesome with embedded objects/OCX controls. It
always tries to write code for every property of the object even when their
default values are exactly what I want.

"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
news:OwgG5Z$nDH A.372@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Peter Foti wrote:[color=green]
> > development. I moved away from Visual Interdev when I found it
> > changing my code.[/color]
>
> This can be prevented. I do not have any problems with code changing with
> VID.
>
> Bob Barrows
>
> --
> Microsoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET
> Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From
> header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a
> quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.
>
>[/color]

[Aaron Bertrand [MVP]]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

> This can be prevented.

Some, yes, but not all. I use Visual Studio.Net 2003. My observations are
as follows. You can turn off many of the "auto formatting" options in Tools
/ Options / Text Editor / HTML/XML / Format... however there are still some
things that slip through, e.g. create this text:

<table border=1>
</table>

Highight it, Ctrl+C, and then Ctrl+V. You get this:

<table border=1 ID="Table1">
</table>

Ctrl+V again, you get this:

<table border=1 ID="Table2">
</table>

So, it's not really changing the code, but it adds ID attributes to many
elements ... and this can bloat the code. I'm just careful to not rely too
much on copy+paste, and if I do have to rely on it (and care about every
byte), I'm careful to go back and play clean-up.

[Bob Barrows]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

Aaron Bertrand [MVP] wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> This can be prevented.[/color]
>
> Some, yes, but not all. I use Visual Studio.Net 2003. My
> observations are as follows. You can turn off many of the "auto
> formatting" options in Tools / Options / Text Editor / HTML/XML /
> Format... however there are still some things that slip through, e.g.
> create this text:
>
> <table border=1>
> </table>
>
> Highight it, Ctrl+C, and then Ctrl+V. You get this:
>
> <table border=1 ID="Table1">
> </table>
>
> Ctrl+V again, you get this:
>
> <table border=1 ID="Table2">
> </table>
>
> So, it's not really changing the code, but it adds ID attributes to
> many elements ... and this can bloat the code. I'm just careful to
> not rely too much on copy+paste, and if I do have to rely on it (and
> care about every byte), I'm careful to go back and play clean-up.[/color]


Ah. Must be a "feature" of VS.Net. I'm still using VS6, and this reformat
does not occur. The only time VS6 adds attributes is when I use the Toolbox
to create elements.

Bob

[Bob Barrows]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?

Hmm, I've never experienced this. I rarely use OCX controls. The fewer
things that need to be installed on the client, the better.

Back in my early days, when I was trying to use the RDS data source, it
drove me crazy every time I switched to Design view by popping up the
"error" warning me that the control could not be rendered visually ...
duhhh!

Other than that ... wait! We use the Crystal ActiveX Viewer quite
extensively. I never notice VID setting all the properties for me. Perhaps
it's because I usually copy and paste the object code from one page to
another.

Are you saying that when you write your own object that, that VID adds PARAM
tags that you did not set? That does not happen to me. Let me try it ....

Sure, when I click and drag an ActiveX control from the toolbar into my
page, all the PARAM tags for the object are pasted as well as the object
tag. But I can delete them all, save, close the page, and reopen it, and VID
does not put the "missing" tags back in. Does it do that to you?

Bob Barrows

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"ljb" <.> wrote in message news:%23AGwkq$n DHA.1296@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> How? I've found VId quite troublesome with embedded objects/OCX controls.[/color]
It[color=blue]
> always tries to write code for every property of the object even when[/color]
their[color=blue]
> default values are exactly what I want.
>
> "Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
> news:OwgG5Z$nDH A.372@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Peter Foti wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > development. I moved away from Visual Interdev when I found it
> > > changing my code.[/color]
> >
> > This can be prevented. I do not have any problems with code changing[/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green]
> > VID.
> >
> > Bob Barrows
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET
> > Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From
> > header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a
> > quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Mosley Jones III]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"Bruce W...1" <bruce@noDirect Email.com> wrote in message
news:3FA2C2F6.E D15A13D@noDirec tEmail.com...[color=blue]
> I've got the latest Visual Studio and have been doing ASP.NET websites.
> Now I want to do a traditional ASP (not .NET) website.
>
> I gather that these are done with Visual Interdev. Is Visual Studio 7
> suitable for doing an ASP website?
>
> I'm a little confused about where Visual Interdev fit in. Was it a part
> of Visual Studio or was it a standalone product?
>
> Is any ASP functionality lost or gained in VS 7 (.NET aside)?
>
> Is VS 7 a suitable tool for ASP?
>
> Is anyone that's maintaining an ASP website using VS 7 for this
> purpose? If not then why?
>
> Thanks for your help.[/color]


You can harvest grain with a knife, but I would use a combine harvester.

You can make a ASP app with notepad, but I would use InterDev

[Mosley Jones III]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"Aaron Bertrand [MVP]" <aaron@TRASHasp faq.com> wrote in message
news:ut%238y7$n DHA.3316@TK2MSF TNGP11.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue][color=green]
> > This can be prevented.[/color]
>
> Some, yes, but not all. I use Visual Studio.Net 2003. My observations[/color]
are[color=blue]
> as follows. You can turn off many of the "auto formatting" options in[/color]
Tools[color=blue]
> / Options / Text Editor / HTML/XML / Format... however there are still[/color]
some[color=blue]
> things that slip through, e.g. create this text:
>
> <table border=1>
> </table>
>
> Highight it, Ctrl+C, and then Ctrl+V. You get this:
>
> <table border=1 ID="Table1">
> </table>
>
> Ctrl+V again, you get this:
>
> <table border=1 ID="Table2">
> </table>
>[/color]

dont work for me, are you talk9ing about VID6



[color=blue]
> So, it's not really changing the code, but it adds ID attributes to many
> elements ... and this can bloat the code. I'm just careful to not rely[/color]
too[color=blue]
> much on copy+paste, and if I do have to rely on it (and care about every
> byte), I'm careful to go back and play clean-up.
>
>[/color]

[Mosley Jones III]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
news:%23fdAVGIo DHA.392@TK2MSFT NGP11.phx.gbl.. .[color=blue]
> Aaron Bertrand [MVP] wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> This can be prevented.[/color]
> >
> > Some, yes, but not all. I use Visual Studio.Net 2003. My
> > observations are as follows. You can turn off many of the "auto
> > formatting" options in Tools / Options / Text Editor / HTML/XML /
> > Format... however there are still some things that slip through, e.g.
> > create this text:
> >
> > <table border=1>
> > </table>
> >
> > Highight it, Ctrl+C, and then Ctrl+V. You get this:
> >
> > <table border=1 ID="Table1">
> > </table>
> >
> > Ctrl+V again, you get this:
> >
> > <table border=1 ID="Table2">
> > </table>
> >
> > So, it's not really changing the code, but it adds ID attributes to
> > many elements ... and this can bloat the code. I'm just careful to
> > not rely too much on copy+paste, and if I do have to rely on it (and
> > care about every byte), I'm careful to go back and play clean-up.[/color]
>
>
> Ah. Must be a "feature" of VS.Net. I'm still using VS6, and this reformat
> does not occur. The only time VS6 adds attributes is when I use the[/color]
Toolbox[color=blue]
> to create elements.
>[/color]

Same here and it is a good featcher

[color=blue]
> Bob
>
>[/color]

[Mosley Jones III]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"ljb" <.> wrote in message news:%23AGwkq$n DHA.1296@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> How? I've found VId quite troublesome with embedded objects/OCX controls.[/color]
It[color=blue]
> always tries to write code for every property of the object even when[/color]
their[color=blue]
> default values are exactly what I want.[/color]

One can only assume you think it is easier to type out the whole OCX code as
well as its Class ID(room for error) rather than delete the lines you don't
want?


[color=blue]
>
> "Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
> news:OwgG5Z$nDH A.372@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Peter Foti wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > development. I moved away from Visual Interdev when I found it
> > > changing my code.[/color]
> >
> > This can be prevented. I do not have any problems with code changing[/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green]
> > VID.
> >
> > Bob Barrows
> >
> > --
> > Microsoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET
> > Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From
> > header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a
> > quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Ray at]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"Mosley Jones III" <mosley@info.go v.mars> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> You can harvest grain with a knife, but I would use a combine harvester.
>
> You can make a ASP app with notepad, but I would use InterDev
>
>[/color]

Or you can go in between and use something like Textpad that will do all the
syntax highlighting that you define and what not, yet still give you total
control, as it will not try to think for you. I personally like to do my
own programming instead of having a program do it for me. I'm partional to
International Harvester combines, too. And to Hell with Navistar.

Ray at home

[Mosley Jones III]

Re: Is Interdev needed for ASP?


"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane 34 . komm> wrote in message
news:emYR1zRoDH A.964@TK2MSFTNG P10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Mosley Jones III" <mosley@info.go v.mars> wrote in message
> news:Ol5rMpQoDH A.1948@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
>[color=green]
> > You can harvest grain with a knife, but I would use a combine harvester.
> >
> > You can make a ASP app with notepad, but I would use InterDev
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Or you can go in between and use something like Textpad that will do all[/color]
the[color=blue]
> syntax highlighting that you define and what not, yet still give you total
> control, as it will not try to think for you. I personally like to do my
> own programming instead of having a program do it for me. I'm partional[/color]
to[color=blue]
> International Harvester combines, too. And to Hell with Navistar.
>
> Ray at home
>
>[/color]

haha

There are good feature I use without using all the ocx's and script library
stuff, like intellisence ad the sql interface. and a few others.