Staging environment for two asp developers?

[jason]

What is the best way to allow a second developer access to existing html and
asp files in the office from a development point of view. At the moment, I
have been developing locally and then uploading my files to my web host but
I now need to create a usuable office environment which allows a second
developer to work my folder structures and files.

We do not have a big budget.

I am thinking of asking the company to buy a second hard drive loaded with
Office XP professional and use this to server files locally in a staging
environment before pushing the files to the remote web host.

Am I on the right track?


Many thanks
Jason

[Ray at]

Re: Staging environment for two asp developers?

I guess this means that you do not have a test server, huh. That kinda
sucks.

You can share your wwwroot on your machine with the other person and have
him map a drive to the share.

Ray at work

"jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
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> What is the best way to allow a second developer access to existing html[/color]
and[color=blue]
> asp files in the office from a development point of view. At the moment, I
> have been developing locally and then uploading my files to my web host[/color]
but[color=blue]
> I now need to create a usuable office environment which allows a second
> developer to work my folder structures and files.
>
> We do not have a big budget.
>
> I am thinking of asking the company to buy a second hard drive loaded with
> Office XP professional and use this to server files locally in a staging
> environment before pushing the files to the remote web host.
>
> Am I on the right track?
>
>
> Many thanks
> Jason
>
>[/color]

[jason]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Yeah - we don't have a test server. I am kind of reluctant to do a share as
it seems 'ineffecient' but I may be able to persuade company to buy a test
server.

I am I right in thinking all I really need is the latest harddrive Pentium
III with enough memoery and Win XP PROFFESIONAL loaded which has IIS built
in and then test sites locally using multiple site functionality found in
ISS along the lines of:

http://local.mysite.com

http://local.mysite2.com

....which allows multiple domains pointing to various root folders in the
wwwroot of the newly acquired server machine...

Could this work Ray?

Many thanks
Jason
"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
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> I guess this means that you do not have a test server, huh. That kinda
> sucks.
>
> You can share your wwwroot on your machine with the other person and have
> him map a drive to the share.
>
> Ray at work
>
> "jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
> news:OCOKA5sUDH A.2168@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > What is the best way to allow a second developer access to existing html[/color]
> and[color=green]
> > asp files in the office from a development point of view. At the moment,[/color][/color]
I[color=blue][color=green]
> > have been developing locally and then uploading my files to my web host[/color]
> but[color=green]
> > I now need to create a usuable office environment which allows a second
> > developer to work my folder structures and files.
> >
> > We do not have a big budget.
> >
> > I am thinking of asking the company to buy a second hard drive loaded[/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green]
> > Office XP professional and use this to server files locally in a staging
> > environment before pushing the files to the remote web host.
> >
> > Am I on the right track?
> >
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Jason
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Ray at]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

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"jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah - we don't have a test server. I am kind of reluctant to do a share[/color]
as[color=blue]
> it seems 'ineffecient' but I may be able to persuade company to buy a test
> server.[/color]

There wouldn't be anything inefficient about sharing a directory on your
machine. That's what the NT server service is there for. :]

[color=blue]
>
> I am I right in thinking all I really need is the latest harddrive Pentium
> III with enough memoery and Win XP PROFFESIONAL loaded which has IIS[/color]
built[color=blue]
> in and then test sites locally using multiple site functionality found in
> ISS along the lines of:
>
> http://local.mysite.com
> http://local.mysite2.com
>
> ...which allows multiple domains pointing to various root folders in the
> wwwroot of the newly acquired server machine...[/color]


You will not be able to setup multiple sites in XP Pro. You would need a
server operating system for this (NT Server, 2000 Server, 2003 Server).
With the desktop OSes, IIS only supports one single website. So, since
you'd need a server OS, add another $800 to your budget.

But, you should have a test server. Hopefully you can swing it. I mean, if
nothing else, is your DESKTOP workstation on the backup rotation? Probably
not!

BTW, you're site's really nice looking. It makes me want to buy a
catamaran.

Ray at work

[jason]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Hi Ray - you guessed it - my workstation is not on a BACKUP rotation. Not
sure what you mean by "rotation". ....

If I do swing a test server I guess we would both still access the files in
the root like this: localhost/mysite/index.asp - right?

I actually do have a copy of windows 2000 server which seems to be the one
that could do the sites with multiple sites locally.

Do you think this would be a good idea - I get the company to get a test
server, load the 2000 server edition, configure IIS
and bam! Or is it going to be a lot more complicated to get a simple staging
environment up and running on a test server?

By the way check out www.catamaranco.com for other principle catamaran
sites.

- Jason




"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
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> <inline replies>
>
> "jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
> news:%23czhPJtU DHA.2312@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
> > Yeah - we don't have a test server. I am kind of reluctant to do a share[/color]
> as[color=green]
> > it seems 'ineffecient' but I may be able to persuade company to buy a[/color][/color]
test[color=blue][color=green]
> > server.[/color]
>
> There wouldn't be anything inefficient about sharing a directory on your
> machine. That's what the NT server service is there for. :]
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > I am I right in thinking all I really need is the latest harddrive[/color][/color]
Pentium[color=blue][color=green]
> > III with enough memoery and Win XP PROFFESIONAL loaded which has IIS[/color]
> built[color=green]
> > in and then test sites locally using multiple site functionality found[/color][/color]
in[color=blue][color=green]
> > ISS along the lines of:
> >
> > http://local.mysite.com
> > http://local.mysite2.com
> >
> > ...which allows multiple domains pointing to various root folders in the
> > wwwroot of the newly acquired server machine...[/color]
>
>
> You will not be able to setup multiple sites in XP Pro. You would need a
> server operating system for this (NT Server, 2000 Server, 2003 Server).
> With the desktop OSes, IIS only supports one single website. So, since
> you'd need a server OS, add another $800 to your budget.
>
> But, you should have a test server. Hopefully you can swing it. I mean,[/color]
if[color=blue]
> nothing else, is your DESKTOP workstation on the backup rotation?[/color]
Probably[color=blue]
> not!
>
> BTW, you're site's really nice looking. It makes me want to buy a
> catamaran.
>
> Ray at work
>
>[/color]

[Ray at]

Re: Staging environment :: Office



--
Will trade ASP help for SQL Server help


"jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Ray - you guessed it - my workstation is not on a BACKUP rotation. Not
> sure what you mean by "rotation". ....[/color]

Ah, backup strategy, plan, rotation, or whatever. Just being backed up. :]
[color=blue]
>
> If I do swing a test server I guess we would both still access the files[/color]
in[color=blue]
> the root like this: localhost/mysite/index.asp - right?[/color]

No, localhost is your machine, and to the guy next to you, localhost is his
machine. You would access it by http://testserver or any other name you
want. When the time comes for that, post in the IIS group or even a W2K
group, and someone will explain DNS, WINS, HOSTS files, and other such
options for name resolution in addition to host headers in IIS to allow you
to host multiple web sites on a single server.
[color=blue]
>
> I actually do have a copy of windows 2000 server which seems to be the one
> that could do the sites with multiple sites locally.[/color]

If you have a license for it, that'll save your company some cash. W2K
Server can host an infinite number of sites (okay, not infinite, but close
enough).
[color=blue]
>
> Do you think this would be a good idea - I get the company to get a test
> server, load the 2000 server edition, configure IIS
> and bam! Or is it going to be a lot more complicated to get a simple[/color]
staging[color=blue]
> environment up and running on a test server?[/color]

It will be somewhere in between there. It's really not that big of a deal
compared to some other things. You'd install IIS, setup your first site,
share inetpub or whatever is appropriate, set your share permissions, map
some drives, and just start working off of Q:\wwwroot instead if
C:\inetpub\wwwr oot. And then instead of going to http://localhost, you'll
go to http://testserver, at first.
[color=blue]
>
> By the way check out www.catamaranco.com for other principle catamaran
> sites.[/color]

That was the site I went to. :]

Ray at home, gotta go back to work in a few hours though.

[TomB]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

I agree, nice site.
I've always wanted a catamaran, just so I can say "Catamaran" .

[color=blue]
> BTW, you're site's really nice looking. It makes me want to buy a
> catamaran.
>
> Ray at work
>
>[/color]

[jason]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Hey Ray - Thanks for your help - always have insight!
- Jason

"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
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>
>
> --
> Will trade ASP help for SQL Server help
>
>
> "jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Ifh5ftU DHA.360@TK2MSFT NGP11.phx.gbl.. .[color=green]
> > Hi Ray - you guessed it - my workstation is not on a BACKUP rotation.[/color][/color]
Not[color=blue][color=green]
> > sure what you mean by "rotation". ....[/color]
>
> Ah, backup strategy, plan, rotation, or whatever. Just being backed up.[/color]
:][color=blue]
>[color=green]
> >
> > If I do swing a test server I guess we would both still access the files[/color]
> in[color=green]
> > the root like this: localhost/mysite/index.asp - right?[/color]
>
> No, localhost is your machine, and to the guy next to you, localhost is[/color]
his[color=blue]
> machine. You would access it by http://testserver or any other name you
> want. When the time comes for that, post in the IIS group or even a W2K
> group, and someone will explain DNS, WINS, HOSTS files, and other such
> options for name resolution in addition to host headers in IIS to allow[/color]
you[color=blue]
> to host multiple web sites on a single server.
>[color=green]
> >
> > I actually do have a copy of windows 2000 server which seems to be the[/color][/color]
one[color=blue][color=green]
> > that could do the sites with multiple sites locally.[/color]
>
> If you have a license for it, that'll save your company some cash. W2K
> Server can host an infinite number of sites (okay, not infinite, but close
> enough).
>[color=green]
> >
> > Do you think this would be a good idea - I get the company to get a test
> > server, load the 2000 server edition, configure IIS
> > and bam! Or is it going to be a lot more complicated to get a simple[/color]
> staging[color=green]
> > environment up and running on a test server?[/color]
>
> It will be somewhere in between there. It's really not that big of a deal
> compared to some other things. You'd install IIS, setup your first site,
> share inetpub or whatever is appropriate, set your share permissions, map
> some drives, and just start working off of Q:\wwwroot instead if
> C:\inetpub\wwwr oot. And then instead of going to http://localhost, you'll
> go to http://testserver, at first.
>[color=green]
> >
> > By the way check out www.catamaranco.com for other principle catamaran
> > sites.[/color]
>
> That was the site I went to. :]
>
> Ray at home, gotta go back to work in a few hours though.
>
>[/color]

[jason]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Sure - "Catamarans " seems to be a popular search key word on Google too
these days! :)

Jason


"TomB" <shuckle@hotmai l.com> wrote in message
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> I agree, nice site.
> I've always wanted a catamaran, just so I can say "Catamaran" .
>
>[color=green]
> > BTW, you're site's really nice looking. It makes me want to buy a
> > catamaran.
> >
> > Ray at work
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Chris Hohmann]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
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>
>
> --
> Will trade ASP help for SQL Server help[/color]

Color me curious, but is there something specific in SQL Server you need
help with? I love to try, considering how often you appear on the answer
side of things.

-Chris

[Ray at]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Heh. Thanks Chris. At the moment, no. I almost posted twice to the SQL
programming group today, but both times, I had my "ah-ha" moment as I was
writing out my problem. Sometimes that's all it takes. I just have that in
my signature so that when I do post in the sql groups, some kind SQL-expert
soul may say to himself, "alright, fine, I'll help him out since he tries to
help out people in other places" I guess...

I spend half of my day in the asp groups and the other half just reading the
sql.programming group. And the third half of my day is spent working. ;]

Ray at work


"Chris Hohmann" <hohmannATyahoo DOTcom> wrote in message
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> "Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
> news:uXNCIxtUDH A.2284@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> >
> >
> > --
> > Will trade ASP help for SQL Server help[/color]
>
> Color me curious, but is there something specific in SQL Server you need
> help with? I love to try, considering how often you appear on the answer
> side of things.
>
> -Chris
>
>[/color]

[jason]

Re: Staging environment :: Office

Hey Ray,

Just some further clarification:

I am pitching this new server to our current administrator who is well
versed in mapped drives and network link ups etc.

But, obviously a new server running Win2k server would be operating
principablly via IIS to SERVER web files.

I am unsure how this scenario clashes/FITS/complements or unhinges the
network environment.

I mean, do we first install the new machine in our network and then make
sure everyone in the office is mapped to it or is the different scenario to
make sure that they are able to view web files like this:

http://newserver/test/homepage.asp

I realise it is a naive quesiton but networking is not my strong suite and I
just need to understand some of the key steps to getting it up and running -
not the entire tecnical process!

Much appreciated
Jason
"Ray at <%=sLocation% >" <myfirstname at lane34 dot com> wrote in message
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> <inline replies>
>
> "jason" <jason@catamara nco.com> wrote in message
> news:%23czhPJtU DHA.2312@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
> > Yeah - we don't have a test server. I am kind of reluctant to do a share[/color]
> as[color=green]
> > it seems 'ineffecient' but I may be able to persuade company to buy a[/color][/color]
test[color=blue][color=green]
> > server.[/color]
>
> There wouldn't be anything inefficient about sharing a directory on your
> machine. That's what the NT server service is there for. :]
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > I am I right in thinking all I really need is the latest harddrive[/color][/color]
Pentium[color=blue][color=green]
> > III with enough memoery and Win XP PROFFESIONAL loaded which has IIS[/color]
> built[color=green]
> > in and then test sites locally using multiple site functionality found[/color][/color]
in[color=blue][color=green]
> > ISS along the lines of:
> >
> > http://local.mysite.com
> > http://local.mysite2.com
> >
> > ...which allows multiple domains pointing to various root folders in the
> > wwwroot of the newly acquired server machine...[/color]
>
>
> You will not be able to setup multiple sites in XP Pro. You would need a
> server operating system for this (NT Server, 2000 Server, 2003 Server).
> With the desktop OSes, IIS only supports one single website. So, since
> you'd need a server OS, add another $800 to your budget.
>
> But, you should have a test server. Hopefully you can swing it. I mean,[/color]
if[color=blue]
> nothing else, is your DESKTOP workstation on the backup rotation?[/color]
Probably[color=blue]
> not!
>
> BTW, you're site's really nice looking. It makes me want to buy a
> catamaran.
>
> Ray at work
>
>[/color]