Python and Java

Re: Python and Java

"JKPeck" <JKPeck@gmail.c om> writes:[color=blue]
> Suppose you have an application written in Java, and you want to enable
> other applications or processes written in Python to communicate with
> it, i.e., to use Python as a scripting language for the application.
> On Windows you could do this with COM and various addons such as
> J-Integra and Mark Hammond's libraries.
>
> How would you do this if you want a mechanism that is portable across
> Windows, Linux, Mac, and Unix?[/color]

I suppose you could make some layer that sits between JNI and Python's
C API. It may be easier to use some slower IPC mechanism like
sockets, if you can tolerate that.

Re: Python and Java

JKPeck wrote:[color=blue]
> Suppose you have an application written in Java, and you want to enable
> other applications or processes written in Python to communicate with
> it, i.e., to use Python as a scripting language for the application.
> On Windows you could do this with COM and various addons such as
> J-Integra and Mark Hammond's libraries.
>
> How would you do this if you want a mechanism that is portable across
> Windows, Linux, Mac, and Unix?
>
> Any ideas? Jython would be a natural candidate, but it is stuck at
> Python 2.1 and seems to have an uncertain future.[/color]

Jython 2.1 works great and there is (slow) progress being made in
modernizing it. I recommend it.

Kent

Re: Python and Java

For most purposes Jython 2.1 is just fine. The lack of recent features
is not a show stopper. What do you need metaclasses? decorators? BTW,
there is Jython 2.2 as an alpha release.

There are a number of ways you can use Java code through Python.

Use JPype to start a Java VM


Or compile using GCJ and expose as a DLL/SO or better yet, make a SWIG
extension.
A good example for this is PyLucene.
Python/Java Wrapper Generator

simplifies the process.

Or use some standard interop mechanism. Write an XMLRPC/SOAP/CORBA and
script via Python. This is similar to the COM approach.

Or maybe, you can look into XPCOM. I have no experience with it.

And finally a bit more perverse approach that I used once. Converted
Java bytecode to CIL with IKVM.

And then I used Python for .NET
(http://www.zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet), a really well
implemented integration module if I ever saw one, to access the code.

Re: Python and Java

Thanks for these suggestions. To be clear, we already have a Python
2.4 minimum requirement for other reasons, and we are looking for a
long-term solution so that as Python advances, the scripting solution
can keep up in a timely way.

Since the Java code is for a very large, complex application, we need
to bring Python to Java rather than Java to Python.

We will take a look at some of the other ideas.

Re: Python and Java

JKPeck wrote:
[color=blue]
> Suppose you have an application written in Java, and you want to enable
> other applications or processes written in Python to communicate with
> it, i.e., to use Python as a scripting language for the application.
> On Windows you could do this with COM and various addons such as
> J-Integra and Mark Hammond's libraries.
>
> How would you do this if you want a mechanism that is portable across
> Windows, Linux, Mac, and Unix?
>
> Any ideas? Jython would be a natural candidate, but it is stuck at
> Python 2.1 and seems to have an uncertain future.[/color]

JPype or CORBA/ICE.

Diez

Re: Python and Java

"JKPeck" <JKPeck@gmail.c om> writes:
[color=blue]
> Suppose you have an application written in Java, and you want to enable
> other applications or processes written in Python to communicate with
> it, i.e., to use Python as a scripting language for the application.
> On Windows you could do this with COM and various addons such as
> J-Integra and Mark Hammond's libraries.
>
> How would you do this if you want a mechanism that is portable across
> Windows, Linux, Mac, and Unix?
>
> Any ideas? Jython would be a natural candidate, but it is stuck at
> Python 2.1 and seems to have an uncertain future.
>
> Thanks in advance.[/color]

If you need real CPython (e.g., need add-on libraries compiled in C),
then XMLRPC is a clean way to make the connection.