Browser and W3C standards Debate

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  • drhowarddrfine
    Recognized Expert Expert
    • Sep 2006
    • 7434

    #16
    bartonc,
    We're talking about W3C standards compliance not operating issues. Obviously, since you are the only one with this problem, there must be something else. I have 10 systems that run FF just fine and have never seen any of your problems

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    • MMcCarthy
      Recognized Expert MVP
      • Aug 2006
      • 14387

      #17
      Just a note of caution here. Please keep this debate from escalating to an argument. I'm all for healthy debate but don't want to entertain our members with an argument.

      Regardless of the understandable frustration felt when someone misunderstands your point please keep it calm and courteous.

      Mary

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      • r035198x
        MVP
        • Sep 2006
        • 13225

        #18
        Since I come to my cafe to relax, I have moved your thread to the Software development forum where you can all continue your nonsense about those things. Might I suggest that you put a link to the standards (if you have any) and then anyone arguing would actually know what is being meant by the standards.

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        • Banfa
          Recognized Expert Expert
          • Feb 2006
          • 9067

          #19
          Subscribing twee-tidley-dum

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          • acoder
            Recognized Expert MVP
            • Nov 2006
            • 16032

            #20
            Just wading in to the debate.

            IE has problems with Javascript too. You have to program the W3C standards way for modern browsers other than IE and then for IE separately, e.g. IE has a completely different event model. IE also has its fair share of gotchas.

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            • Banfa
              Recognized Expert Expert
              • Feb 2006
              • 9067

              #21
              Originally posted by acoder
              IE has problems with Javascript too.
              Isn't that because IE does not support JavaScript, it supports JScript, MS own and subtly (or in some cases not so subtly) different version of JavaScript.

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              • drhowarddrfine
                Recognized Expert Expert
                • Sep 2006
                • 7434

                #22
                Yes. It's behind on standard javascript. It also doesn't support the DOM properly either. Test your browser here.

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                • TRScheel
                  Recognized Expert Contributor
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 638

                  #23
                  Originally posted by drhowarddrfine
                  Yes. It's behind on standard javascript. It also doesn't support the DOM properly either. Test your browser here.
                  That page is a bit hard to understand, but from what I gather, the fact that going there with IE7 yielded almost all N/A or years, and only one 'Supported', is a bad thing?

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                  • drhowarddrfine
                    Recognized Expert Expert
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 7434

                    #24
                    Yes, it's awful. Go there with another browser and you'll see a huge difference. For example, while IE7 supports almost nothing, Firefox supports almost everything, except Level3 which I don't think is stable yet. Same with Opera and others.

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                    • RedSon
                      Recognized Expert Expert
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 4980

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Banfa
                      Subscribing twee-tidley-dum
                      I <3 banfa LOL

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                      • RedSon
                        Recognized Expert Expert
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 4980

                        #26
                        Additionally let me suggest that such a debate would be a fine candidate for an article examining the difference between the browsers and their support or lack of support for published W3C standards.

                        Each party could create an article that examines both the pros and cons of each browser (IE, and FF, maybe Opera if someone likes that better). You can title your article in such a way so that we know what your position is, like how it is done on voter's pamphlets.

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                        • drhowarddrfine
                          Recognized Expert Expert
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 7434

                          #27
                          It is no longer open for debate. Microsoft themselves openly admit their browser does not adequately support the standards as other browsers do. And their are a bazillion web sites on how to hack IE to make it conform.

                          I guess I should write an article about how to test for web browsers. The rule is to always initially test using Firefox or Opera and then adjust for IEs quirks and bugs. I still see noobs who only test in IE and then glance at the others which is totally backwards.

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                          • Banfa
                            Recognized Expert Expert
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 9067

                            #28
                            Originally posted by drhowarddrfine
                            Yes. It's behind on standard javascript. It also doesn't support the DOM properly either. Test your browser here.
                            Well didn't I get a shock, went there using FF and everything showed up in red as unsupported. It took a few minutes of pondering and then actually reading the page and then a little more pondering before I realised that I need to enable JavaScript for the page (I use the NoScript plug-in to block all JavaScript by default which I actually find much more effective than AdBlock). Then suddenly most of it showed as supported and a breathed a sigh of relief.

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                            • acoder
                              Recognized Expert MVP
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 16032

                              #29
                              Originally posted by drhowarddrfine
                              Yes. It's behind on standard javascript. It also doesn't support the DOM properly either. Test your browser here.
                              Excellent link. IE6 only claims to support HTML level 1. I guess IE7 does likewise. What kind of improvement is that?

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                              • acoder
                                Recognized Expert MVP
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 16032

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Banfa
                                Isn't that because IE does not support JavaScript, it supports JScript, MS own and subtly (or in some cases not so subtly) different version of JavaScript.
                                Yes, JScript. I hate that proprietary stuff. Makes it so much more difficult. If everyone followed standards, wouldn't it be so much easier?

                                The worst thing is when someone comes along and says, "but Microsoft is the standard!"

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