average of PIL images

Re: average of PIL images

>
a) Work with the 3 components in parallel (that is, use 3 separate
matrices, one for each component, and regenerate the image at the
end).

that wd be ok for image generation ..but to calculate covariance
matrix from the set of images i don't know if it wd work

eric

Re: average of PIL images

On 19 feb, 06:28, vaneric <vaneric...@gma il.comwrote:

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
   alpha=255
   return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

>

That's much worse than averaging the R,G,B components.

>
oops!
the intention was to pack r,g,b components into a single value sothat
calculations like finding covariant matrix of a set of images etc can
be done..(i need to represent each image as an array of  values(either
long or float)..i can't work with an array of tuples of ints..
>

As said above, try to compute using another color space, try HSL. The
colorsys module can transform from/to RGB.

>
even if i convert from rgb to hsl i will have a tuple(h,s,l) for each
pixel and again i will have to convert it into a single value which i
can use in matrix multipln etc
>
is there a workaround sothat rgb color images can be worked on? any
advice most welcome..

a) Work with the 3 components in parallel (that is, use 3 separate
matrices, one for each component, and regenerate the image at the
end).

b) Convert to grayscale (and lose the color information)

--
Gabriel Genellina

Re: average of PIL images

On 19 feb, 06:55, 7stud <bbxx789_0...@y ahoo.comwrote:

On Feb 19, 12:13 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <gagsl-...@yahoo.com.a r>
wrote:

En Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:01:04 -0200, vaneric <vaneric...@gma il.com 
escribió:

On Feb 19, 1:38 am, Robert Kern <robert.k...@gm ail.comwrote:

>Averaging color
>images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace.

>

thanx for the guidance and detailed replies..I  tried  to pack the
r,g,b into a single value like below(something a member posted in the
past)

>

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
   alpha=255
   return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

>

That's much worse than averaging the R,G,B components. First, you have to  
omit the alfa value (or set it at the end). Then, consider this example: 
(0,0,0)=black and (0,1,0)=almost black, average = (0,0,128)

>
How do you arrive at that average?

(0,0,0) -0, (0,1,0) -256, (0+256)/2=128, 128 -(0,0,128)
(ignoring alpha, or using alpha=0)

--
Gabriel Genellina

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 19, 12:13 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <gagsl-...@yahoo.com.a r>
wrote:

En Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:01:04 -0200, vaneric <vaneric...@gma il.com 
escribió:
>

On Feb 19, 1:38 am, Robert Kern <robert.k...@gm ail.comwrote:

Averaging color
images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace.

>

hi,
thanx for the guidance and detailed replies..I  tried  to pack the
r,g,b into a single value like below(something a member posted in the
past)

>

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
   alpha=255
   return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

>
That's much worse than averaging the R,G,B components. First, you have to  
omit the alfa value (or set it at the end). Then, consider this example:  
(0,0,0)=black and (0,1,0)=almost black, average = (0,0,128)

How do you arrive at that average?

Re: average of PIL images

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
alpha=255
return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

>
That's much worse than averaging the R,G,B components.

oops!
the intention was to pack r,g,b components into a single value sothat
calculations like finding covariant matrix of a set of images etc can
be done..(i need to represent each image as an array of values(either
long or float)..i can't work with an array of tuples of ints..

As said above, try to compute using another color space, try HSL. The
colorsys module can transform from/to RGB.

even if i convert from rgb to hsl i will have a tuple(h,s,l) for each
pixel and again i will have to convert it into a single value which i
can use in matrix multipln etc

is there a workaround sothat rgb color images can be worked on? any
advice most welcome..

Re: average of PIL images

En Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:01:04 -0200, vaneric <vaneric001@gma il.com>
escribió:

On Feb 19, 1:38 am, Robert Kern <robert.k...@gm ail.comwrote:

>Averaging color
>images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace.

>
hi,
thanx for the guidance and detailed replies..I tried to pack the
r,g,b into a single value like below(something a member posted in the
past)
>
def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
alpha=255
return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

That's much worse than averaging the R,G,B components. First, you have to
omit the alfa value (or set it at the end). Then, consider this example:
(0,0,0)=black and (0,1,0)=almost black, average = (0,0,128) = dark blue, a
total nonsense.

As said above, try to compute using another color space, try HSL. The
colorsys module can transform from/to RGB.

--
Gabriel Genellina

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 19, 1:38 am, Robert Kern <robert.k...@gm ail.comwrote:

>Averaging color
images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace.

hi,
thanx for the guidance and detailed replies..I tried to pack the
r,g,b into a single value like below(something a member posted in the
past)

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
alpha=255
return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]

if i apply this for all images i can represent each image as an array
of longs instead of tuples.then for a pixel i can calculate the
average value
after this if i do the casting as you advised and create the avg
image
avgface = avgface.astype( numpy.uint8)

here if i use these pixelvalues to create an imag
img =Image.fromstri ng('RGB', (width, height), avgface.tostrin g())
it will fail because of -'not enough image data'..is there an
alternative to create average rgb color image ?(i want to keep the rgb
so can't convert to greyscale)

is there something wrong with my approach? I am a newbie in PIL/
imageprocessing ..so i would greately appreciate feedback
eric

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 19, 1:38 am, Robert Kern <robert.k...@gm ail.comwrote:

>Averaging color
images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace.

hi,
thanx for the guidance and detailed replies..I tried to pack the
r,g,b into a single value like below(something a member posted in the
past)

def rgbTopixelvalue ((r,g,b)):
alpha=255
return unpack("l", pack("BBBB", b, g, r, alpha))[0]


if i apply this for all images i can represent each image as an array
of longs instead of tuples.then for a pixel i can calculate the
average value
after this if i do the casting as you advised and create the avg
image
avgface = avgface.astype( numpy.uint8)
img = Image.fromstrin g('L', (width, height), avgface.tostrin g())

is there something wrong with my approach? I am a newbie in PIL/
imageprocessing ..so i would greately appreciate feedback
eric

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 18, 2:05 pm, 7stud <bbxx789_0...@y ahoo.comwrote:

num = arr[1:, 2:]
>
That says to get all elements from row 1 to the bottom that are in
from column 2 to the end of the row.

err..

That says to get all elements from row 1 to the last row which are in
column 2, column 3, etc. to the end of the row.

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 18, 1:58 pm, 7stud <bbxx789_0...@y ahoo.comwrote:

On Feb 18, 10:18 am, vaneric <vaneric...@gma il.comwrote:
>
>
>

hi
i have a set of RGB images of diff faces (of people )as a 2 dim
numpyarray
..something like
threefaces=arra y([[xa1,xa2,xa3],
       [xb1,xb2,xb3],
       [xc1,xc2,xc3]])
where xa1,xa2,xa3 are  tuples each representing rgb values of a pixel
of first image ..

>

i need to create the average face image and display it.problem is i
need to calculate (xa1+xb1+xc1)/3  etc to calculate avearge value of
each pixel.how can i do this calculation.do i need to convert the
r,g,b in to a single value for each pixel? the average value of a
pixel will be a float isn't it? how can i create a PIL image from
this?
any help,directive greatly appreciated
eric

>
import Numeric
>
arr = Numeric.array([
    [1, 2, 3],
    [4, 5, 6],
    [7, 8, 9],
    [10, 11, 12]
])
>
col1 = arr[0:,0]
print col1
>
sum = 0
count = 0
for num in col1:
    sum += num
    count += 1
>
avg = (sum * 1.0)/count   #convert one term to a float to get float
result
print avg
print round(avg)
print int(round(avg))
>
print arr[0]
>
size = len(arr[0])
for i in range(size):
    col = arr[0:, i]
    sum = 0
    count = 0
>
    for num in col:
        sum += num
        count += 1
>
    result = (sum * 1.0) /count
    print result,
    result = int(round(resul t))
    print result
>
--output:--
[ 1  4  7 10]
5.5
6.0
6
[1 2 3]
5.5 6
6.5 7
7.5 8

In this statement:

col1 = arr[0:,0]

the first term is the row or row range, and the second term is the
column or column range. If you write this:

num = arr[0,0]

you get the element in row 0, column 0. But you can also specify
ranges for each col or row:

num = arr[1:, 2:]

That says to get all elements from row 1 to the bottom that are in
from column 2 to the end of the row.

Re: average of PIL images

On Feb 18, 10:18 am, vaneric <vaneric...@gma il.comwrote:

hi
i have a set of RGB images of diff faces (of people )as a 2 dim
numpyarray
..something like
threefaces=arra y([[xa1,xa2,xa3],
       [xb1,xb2,xb3],
       [xc1,xc2,xc3]])
where xa1,xa2,xa3 are  tuples each representing rgb values of a pixel
of first image ..
>
i need to create the average face image and display it.problem is i
need to calculate (xa1+xb1+xc1)/3  etc to calculate avearge value of
each pixel.how can i do this calculation.do i need to convert the
r,g,b in to a single value for each pixel? the average value of a
pixel will be a float isn't it? how can i create a PIL image from
this?
any help,directive greatly appreciated
eric

import Numeric

arr = Numeric.array([
[1, 2, 3],
[4, 5, 6],
[7, 8, 9],
[10, 11, 12]
])

col1 = arr[0:,0]
print col1

sum = 0
count = 0
for num in col1:
sum += num
count += 1

avg = (sum * 1.0)/count #convert one term to a float to get float
result
print avg
print round(avg)
print int(round(avg))


print arr[0]

size = len(arr[0])
for i in range(size):
col = arr[0:, i]
sum = 0
count = 0

for num in col:
sum += num
count += 1

result = (sum * 1.0) /count
print result,
result = int(round(resul t))
print result

--output:--
[ 1 4 7 10]
5.5
6.0
6
[1 2 3]
5.5 6
6.5 7
7.5 8

Re: average of PIL images

vaneric wrote:

hi
i have a set of RGB images of diff faces (of people )as a 2 dim
numpyarray
..something like
threefaces=arra y([[xa1,xa2,xa3],
[xb1,xb2,xb3],
[xc1,xc2,xc3]])
where xa1,xa2,xa3 are tuples each representing rgb values of a pixel
of first image ..
>
i need to create the average face image and display it.problem is i
need to calculate (xa1+xb1+xc1)/3 etc to calculate avearge value of
each pixel.how can i do this calculation.do i need to convert the
r,g,b in to a single value for each pixel? the average value of a
pixel will be a float isn't it? how can i create a PIL image from
this?
any help,directive greatly appreciated
eric

Take a look at ImageChops.diff erence. I've used it to calculate a
difference value as follows:

diff=ImageChops .difference(im1 , im2)
totaldiff=sum(I mageStat.Stat(d iff)._getmedian ())

Maybe at least this will point you in the right direction.

-Larry Bates

Re: average of PIL images

vaneric wrote:

hi
i have a set of RGB images of diff faces (of people )as a 2 dim
numpyarray
..something like
threefaces=arra y([[xa1,xa2,xa3],
[xb1,xb2,xb3],
[xc1,xc2,xc3]])
where xa1,xa2,xa3 are tuples each representing rgb values of a pixel
of first image ..
>
i need to create the average face image and display it.problem is i
need to calculate (xa1+xb1+xc1)/3 etc to calculate avearge value of
each pixel.how can i do this calculation.

threefaces.mean (axis=0)

do i need to convert the
r,g,b in to a single value for each pixel?

It depends on the problem that you are trying to solve. If monochrome images are
acceptable for your problem, then it is probably best to convert all your images
to monochrome to do the averaging. At least for a first cut. Averaging color
images is tricky; you really shouldn't do it in the RGB colorspace. There are a
couple of colorspaces which you could choose; different problems require
different colorspaces.

the average value of a
pixel will be a float isn't it?

Yes.

how can i create a PIL image from
this?

# Cast the floating point data to bytes.
avgface = avgface.astype( numpy.uint8)

# Create the PIL image from the numpy data.
img = Image.fromstrin g('L', (width, height), avgface.tostrin g())

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco

hi
i have a set of RGB images of diff faces (of people )as a 2 dim
numpyarray
...something like
threefaces=arra y([[xa1,xa2,xa3],
[xb1,xb2,xb3],
[xc1,xc2,xc3]])
where xa1,xa2,xa3 are tuples each representing rgb values of a pixel
of first image ..

i need to create the average face image and display it.problem is i
need to calculate (xa1+xb1+xc1)/3 etc to calculate avearge value of
each pixel.how can i do this calculation.do i need to convert the
r,g,b in to a single value for each pixel? the average value of a
pixel will be a float isn't it? how can i create a PIL image from
this?
any help,directive greatly appreciated
eric