Learning PHP

[ddg_linux]

I am a beginner learning php too. I think for me is the fact that I
don't know all of the functions, or how all of the php code actually
works.

<?php echo 'hello world'; ? - this piece of code came very natural
for me. I want to get to a point where php comes as natural as a
simple hello world echo.

I believe you have to do it through completing tutorials, reading the
manual, practice , taking on your own project (even if it is as simple
as an addressbook).

The reason echo hello world became so natural is because I must have
written it 100's of times in this learning process. Other statements
will become just as natural if I just do more tutorials, and
practice , and build my skills.

Us beginners aren't going to become a php programmer over night , its
going to take practice
and reading.

Cheers
I hope this was helpful.

[Twayne]

Re: Learning PHP

I am a beginner learning php too. I think for me is the fact that I

don't know all of the functions, or how all of the php code actually
works.
>
<?php echo 'hello world'; ? - this piece of code came very natural
for me. I want to get to a point where php comes as natural as a
simple hello world echo.
>
I believe you have to do it through completing tutorials, reading the
manual, practice , taking on your own project (even if it is as simple
as an addressbook).
>
The reason echo hello world became so natural is because I must have
written it 100's of times in this learning process. Other statements
will become just as natural if I just do more tutorials, and
practice , and build my skills.
>
Us beginners aren't going to become a php programmer over night , its
going to take practice
and reading.
>
Cheers
I hope this was helpful.

Helpful to whom? You initiated a brand now post; no reference to anyone
or anything or any post.

[Poppitypop]

Re: Learning PHP

haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
send a point across to all the real noobs...

[Twayne]

Re: Learning PHP

haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to

send a point across to all the real noobs...

Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient. Not
everyone is as lazy as you are.

[FutureShock]

Re: Learning PHP

Twayne wrote:

>haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
>send a point across to all the real noobs...

>
Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient. Not
everyone is as lazy as you are.
>
>

Wow this simple post went south real fast.

[Poppitypop]

Re: Learning PHP

On Aug 21, 3:25 pm, "Twayne" <nob...@devnull .spamcop.netwro te:

haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
send a point across to all the real noobs...

>
Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient.  Not
everyone is as lazy as you are.

All I can say is... wow.. first, I am not able to make sense of your
first sentence, and that second sentence just came out of the blue...

[ddg_linux]

Re: Learning PHP

On Aug 23, 1:25 am, Poppitypop <poppity...@gma il.comwrote:

On Aug 21, 3:25 pm, "Twayne" <nob...@devnull .spamcop.netwro te:
>

haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
send a point across to all the real noobs...

>

Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient.  Not
everyone is as lazy as you are.

>
All I can say is... wow.. first, I am not able to make sense of your
first sentence, and that second sentence just came out of the blue...

Wow, sorry if I offended anyone out there with this post. I must have
clicked on new
instead of reply. Anyways, the point of this post was to share my
thoughs about where I
want to be as a programmer. I want to be able to think like the Hello
world script. I want
php to be so natural that everything flows like a simple script. I
know the only way
is practice.. examples, tutorial, spending hours and hours working,
reading books related to the topic etc...

For most of you advanced programmers out there. How did you get to
the post where PHP became a natural language for you? SO natural that
you dream about it.

THanks again.

[PHPGB]

Re: Learning PHP

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I want to be able to think like the Hello
world script. I want php to be so natural that everything flows like a simple script.
>

Your fantasy world sounds great :-)


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[Twayne]

Re: Learning PHP

On Aug 23, 1:25 am, Poppitypop <poppity...@gma il.comwrote:

>On Aug 21, 3:25 pm, "Twayne" <nob...@devnull .spamcop.netwro te:
>>

>>>haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually
>>>trying to send a point across to all the real noobs...

>>

>>Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
>>into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient. Not
>>everyone is as lazy as you are.

>>
>All I can say is... wow.. first, I am not able to make sense of your
>first sentence, and that second sentence just came out of the blue...

>
Wow, sorry if I offended anyone out there with this post. I must have
clicked on new
instead of reply. Anyways, the point of this post was to share my
thoughs about where I
want to be as a programmer. I want to be able to think like the Hello
world script. I want
php to be so natural that everything flows like a simple script. I
know the only way
is practice.. examples, tutorial, spending hours and hours working,
reading books related to the topic etc...
>
For most of you advanced programmers out there. How did you get to
the post where PHP became a natural language for you? SO natural that
you dream about it.
>
THanks again.

With its over 700 functions and thousands of what-not, you may never
reach that point except for the parts you use often and work with. And
every rev of PHP is a little different too. Like anything else in
software, it jsut takes experience.

[FutureShock]

Re: Learning PHP

ddg_linux wrote:

On Aug 23, 1:25 am, Poppitypop <poppity...@gma il.comwrote:

>On Aug 21, 3:25 pm, "Twayne" <nob...@devnull .spamcop.netwro te:
>>

>>>haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
>>>send a point across to all the real noobs...
>>Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
>>into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient. Not
>>everyone is as lazy as you are.

>All I can say is... wow.. first, I am not able to make sense of your
>first sentence, and that second sentence just came out of the blue...

>
Wow, sorry if I offended anyone out there with this post. I must have
clicked on new
instead of reply. Anyways, the point of this post was to share my
thoughs about where I
want to be as a programmer. I want to be able to think like the Hello
world script. I want
php to be so natural that everything flows like a simple script. I
know the only way
is practice.. examples, tutorial, spending hours and hours working,
reading books related to the topic etc...
>
For most of you advanced programmers out there. How did you get to
the post where PHP became a natural language for you? SO natural that
you dream about it.
>
THanks again.

I have been programming PHP on and off for over 10 years, I am no
'professional' but am fairly confident in my abilities. Whenever I am
working on code I always have php.net open in the background for
reference. And I have reference books over my desk that I have sticky
noted all over the place.
I can't speak for other programmers, but what I am trying to say is that
I have developed a 'natural' feel for the structure and syntax of the
language and I know of most of its capabilities and what I can and can't
do with the language (with that can't list shrinking quite a bit since I
first started), but I have not memorized or learned all the language
references.
But like you have already said, if you just practice real applications,
you will become proficient at it. Find a project that will fill a need
for yourself, start small, and build up as you go. I think one of the
first aspects you should try to become comfortable with is with Database
interaction. Here you will be writing many line of SQL queries and data
extractions and you want this to flow smoothly.
Create a small DB interaction application, where you can input data and
have it displayed dynamically on the web page. Maybe a dozen or so
functions to learn.

Hope my rambling did not get too carried away, but good luck.

Oh and if you do ever start dreaming about web coding, take a vacation.

Scotty

[Curtis]

Re: Learning PHP

ddg_linux wrote:

On Aug 23, 1:25 am, Poppitypop <poppity...@gma il.comwrote:

>On Aug 21, 3:25 pm, "Twayne" <nob...@devnull .spamcop.netwro te:
>>

>>>haha. my guess is that you are no noob, and you are actually trying to
>>>send a point across to all the real noobs...
>>Even newbies deserve the respect of knowing that their response went
>>into the ether as opposed to reaching their intended recipient. Not
>>everyone is as lazy as you are.

>All I can say is... wow.. first, I am not able to make sense of your
>first sentence, and that second sentence just came out of the blue...

>
Wow, sorry if I offended anyone out there with this post. I must have
clicked on new
instead of reply. Anyways, the point of this post was to share my
thoughs about where I
want to be as a programmer. I want to be able to think like the Hello
world script. I want
php to be so natural that everything flows like a simple script. I
know the only way
is practice.. examples, tutorial, spending hours and hours working,
reading books related to the topic etc...

You should aim for knowing how to approach problems with a programming
mindset. Memorizing the documentation isn't helpful if you can't
intuitively put the tools to use. Finding resources as you go along,
trying to solve a problem is probably one of the best ways to learn.
Eventually, when you program long enough, you can usually easily pick
up new languages, and understand source code of languages you haven't
seen before.

For most of you advanced programmers out there. How did you get to
the post where PHP became a natural language for you? SO natural
that you dream about it.

It just takes a lot of practice and experimenting, but there aren't
really any shortcuts to proficiency, despite the promises found on a
lot of book covers.

I've never dreamed about PHP, or even C, but programming is a hobby I
enjoy, and have been doing for a while. :-)

>
THanks again.

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Curtis

[Geoff Berrow]

Re: Learning PHP

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ddg_linux contained the following:

><?php echo 'hello world'; ? - this piece of code came very natural
>for me. I want to get to a point where php comes as natural as a
>simple hello world echo.

Well this will be difficult because there isn't an awful lot of
programming in <?php echo 'hello world'; ?>

The basic elements you need to grasp are variables, control structures
and loops.

You may find http://www.4theweb.co.uk/phpcourse/ of some use.

Oh, and whilst I don't dream of code, you'll find that sleeping on a
problem can often bring a solution.
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[ddg_linux]

Re: Learning PHP

hey there guys,
thank you all for your useful information. I have looked at all the
links that you have posted and they have been helpful.

Right now I am reading a php book that was good at the start but once
I finished the chapter on arrays it went into OOP. I have to read the
OOP chapter again and find some good examples to totally understand
this concept.

The current book im reading is Apress beginning php 3rd Ed.

Thanks again.



On Aug 26, 5:10 am, Geoff Berrow <blthe...@ckdog .co.ukwrote:

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ddg_linux contained the following:
>

<?php echo 'hello world'; ? - this piece of code came very natural
for me.  I want to get to  a point where php comes as natural as a
simple hello world echo.

>
Well this will be difficult because there isn't an awful lot of
programming in <?php echo 'hello world'; ?>
>
The basic elements you need to grasp are variables, control structures
and loops.
>
You may findhttp://www.4theweb.co. uk/phpcourse/of some use.
>
Oh, and whilst I don't dream of code,  you'll find that sleeping on a
problem can often bring a solution.
--
Geoff Berrow  011000100110110 0010000000110
001101101011011 001000110111101 100111001011
100110001101101 111001011100111 010101101011htt p://slipperyhill.co .uk-http://4theweb.co.uk

[Geoff Berrow]

Re: Learning PHP

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ddg_linux contained the following:

>Right now I am reading a php book that was good at the start but once
>I finished the chapter on arrays it went into OOP. I have to read the
>OOP chapter again and find some good examples to totally understand
>this concept.

I'm /still/ trying to understand it. :-} It's not essential to learn
OOP to program in PHP.

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[Geoff Berrow]

Re: Learning PHP

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>Thank everyone by not top posting.

....and trimming irrelevant material.



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