Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

[webrod]

Hi,

I have some php pages with a lot of HTML code.
I am looking for a HTML validator tool (like TIDY).
TIDY is not good enough with PHP tags (it removes a lot of php code).

Do you have any idea?

Thanks you very much

Rod

[Alvaro G. Vicario]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

*** webrod escribió/wrote (26 Apr 2007 09:04:36 -0700):

I have some php pages with a lot of HTML code.
I am looking for a HTML validator tool (like TIDY).
TIDY is not good enough with PHP tags (it removes a lot of php code).

PHP is *not* HTML so having problems with an HTML validator is exactly what
you could expect.

I presume you want to validate the HTML generated by your PHP script. Just
load your script through a web server and validate the output with the W3C
validators:

http://validator.w3.org

You have two options:

1) If your web is hosted in a public server, feed the validator with the
URL

2) If your web is hosted in a local test server, feed it with a file
upload. Use your browser's "Save as" feature and save it as plain HTML.

If you Google for "Webdevelop er toolbar" you'll find a Firefox extension
and an Internet Explorer toolbar; any of them can assist you in validating
your HTML.

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[Christoph Burschka]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

webrod wrote:

Hi,
>
I have some php pages with a lot of HTML code.
I am looking for a HTML validator tool (like TIDY).
TIDY is not good enough with PHP tags (it removes a lot of php code).
>
Do you have any idea?
>
Thanks you very much
>
Rod
>

I see you've posted this message separately to several newsgroups, instead of
sending it to these newsgroups all at once.

Firstly, this is a needless effort on your part, and secondly, this means
responses will only show up on the newsgroup that the response was posted in.
Check alt.comp.lang.p hp for my answer to your question.

If you posted this with a News client, just add all the newsgroups you want to
post to in the recipients above, like you would do with an email to several
people. If you posted with Google Groups, you can enter several groups in the
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[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

oups! thanks you, I didn't know that.
I thought it was not possible.
Sorry about that.

I provide my answer here:

Hi,

I guess I was not clear enough.

I do not want to validate the output of a php page, I want to validate
the php page itself.
My php code NEVER provides HTML code. That's a very important rule I
follow.
I mean I never do that:
<?php echo "<a href='$myLink'> go to my link</a>" ?>
I do that:
<a href='<?php echo $myLink?>'>go to my link</a>

Actually I have the main php page which does the business (only PHP
code, no HTML at all), then I include a template with HTML code + a
little bit of php code.

I would like now to find a tool which is able to validate my XHTML
code (within the template) and udpate the XHTML to be conformed with
W3C rules.
For example it should automatically update <brto <br/>.
TIDY does this work. Unfortunatelly it doesn't like php tags and
remove a lot of them.

I would like to work on the templates and not on the output to do the
job automatically.
If I work on the output, I have to manually update all the templates!!
Unfortunatelly I have a lot of templates.

Do you have an idea?

thanks

rod

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

webrod wrote:

oups! thanks you, I didn't know that.
I thought it was not possible.
Sorry about that.
>
I provide my answer here:
>
Hi,
>
I guess I was not clear enough.
>
I do not want to validate the output of a php page, I want to validate
the php page itself.
My php code NEVER provides HTML code. That's a very important rule I
follow.
I mean I never do that:
<?php echo "<a href='$myLink'> go to my link</a>" ?>
I do that:
<a href='<?php echo $myLink?>'>go to my link</a>
>
Actually I have the main php page which does the business (only PHP
code, no HTML at all), then I include a template with HTML code + a
little bit of php code.
>
I would like now to find a tool which is able to validate my XHTML
code (within the template) and udpate the XHTML to be conformed with
W3C rules.
For example it should automatically update <brto <br/>.
TIDY does this work. Unfortunatelly it doesn't like php tags and
remove a lot of them.
>
I would like to work on the templates and not on the output to do the
job automatically.
If I work on the output, I have to manually update all the templates!!
Unfortunatelly I have a lot of templates.
>
Do you have an idea?
>
thanks
>
rod
>

Rod,

As Alvaro said - http://validator.w3.org.

How you generate the html (and yes, you are using PHP to generate HTML -
the link destination in the href is part of html) is unimportant. The
result is html.

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[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

As Alvaro said -http://validator.w3.or g.

No, this validates the output (ok you could provide the php file as an
input).
And as I said I would like the tool to do the modification itself.
Like the great TIDY tool (but it removes php code!!).

How you generate the html (and yes, you are using PHP to generate HTML -
the link destination in the href is part of html) is unimportant. The
result is html.

Of course the final result is HTML ;-)
If you consider the output, obviously this is HTML+CSS+Javasc ript
But if you consider the INPUT, there is 2 ways to build a php page.
How to say.... They are 2 families of developpers ;-)
The first family will ask PHP to generate the HTML code (HTML within
php tag)
The second family will insert PHP tag within HTML tag.
And believe me, this is not the same thing, even if, obviously, the
output is exactly the same HTML.
(I belong to the second family)

Any other idea to validate my templates files which contains PHP code
within HTML tags?

Rod

[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

PHP is *not* HTML

of course!!

>so having problems with an HTML validator is exactly what
you could expect.

HTML validator means that the HTML will be validated in a page.
It does not mean that you can only validate a .html file.
The proof with TIDY. It is able to work with php tags (you even have
some option to deal with php).
Unfortunately, it does that badly. A lot of bugs.
So I am wondering if there is another tool like TIDy but without bugs.
I use the ZEND IDE but it does not validate HTML code.

I presume you want to validate the HTML generated by your PHP script.
Just load your script through a web server and validate the output with the W3C
validators:
>
http://validator.w3.org

I know this website, but unfortunatelly, it does not automatically
update the code (for example to update <brto <br/>)
And it works on the output, not on the input (except if you provide
the php file but I guess it doesn't like php code. It's not the goal
of this website to validate XHTML code in a php page)

Thanks for your help

Rod

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

webrod wrote:

>As Alvaro said -http://validator.w3.or g.

>
No, this validates the output (ok you could provide the php file as an
input).
And as I said I would like the tool to do the modification itself.
Like the great TIDY tool (but it removes php code!!).
>

>How you generate the html (and yes, you are using PHP to generate HTML -
>the link destination in the href is part of html) is unimportant. The
>result is html.

>
Of course the final result is HTML ;-)
If you consider the output, obviously this is HTML+CSS+Javasc ript
But if you consider the INPUT, there is 2 ways to build a php page.
How to say.... They are 2 families of developpers ;-)
The first family will ask PHP to generate the HTML code (HTML within
php tag)
The second family will insert PHP tag within HTML tag.
And believe me, this is not the same thing, even if, obviously, the
output is exactly the same HTML.
(I belong to the second family)
>

No, there is no difference. In either case you are using PHP to output
information to the page. Nothing more, nothing less. Zip. Nada.

You are getting lost in the details. Look at the higher level.

Any other idea to validate my templates files which contains PHP code
within HTML tags?
>
Rod
>

So what exactly do you want to validate? The only important things are
- the PHP code itself is valid (the interpreter will tell you if it's
not), and the HTML output is valid (which the validator will tell you).

What exactly do you expect?

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[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

No, there is no difference. In either case you are using PHP to output

information to the page. Nothing more, nothing less. Zip. Nada.

This is because you are focusing on the outpout. As I said, YES the
output is EXACTLY the same, if you compare the generated HTML, I agree
this is the same.

So what exactly do you want to validate? The only important things are
- the PHP code itself is valid (the interpreter will tell you if it's
not),

I don't care about the PHP code

>and the HTML output is valid (which the validator will tell you).

Yes. This is what I want.
BUT:
I don't want to validate the output because I am NOT looking for a
tool which only validate the HTML (like "you should replace <brby
<br/to be conformed with XHTML rule bla bla bla").
I am looking for a tool which will do the job for me ;-)
I want it to replace automatically <brby <br/in my php page.
I want it to udpate the code. (actually TIDY do it It works even with
PHP page but with bugs!!)

I'm sure you understand that I need to do this step on the input (the
php page) instead of the output (or its work will be lost!!!!!).

And then you get a better understanding of the difference between
familly 1 and familly 2.

Obviously, if you want to validate the output, there is no difference
(who said it is what I want?). But if you need to validate the HTML
code from a php page, you will understand it will be easier to
validate HTML code if the php code is in the HTML (and not the
opposite, when HTML is in the php code).
And that's why it is always recommended to belong to the second
family ;-)

Rod

[Toby A Inkster]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

webrod wrote:

I don't care about the PHP code

Neither does an HTML validator.

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[Razzbar]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

You want something to 'fix' the HTML code for you, like Tidy does. I'd
like to say
that it's impossible, but of course, it isn't impossible *in theory*.

It's easy enough to say, use the w3c validator and fix the HTML
yourself!

The tool you want would have to interpret PHP and then 'validate' the
*output*
of your PHP script, and then somehow figure out where in the script
the
error came from... There are so many ways PHP can generate HTML, this
would require a HUGE amount of intelligence. It would have to figure
out
how and where the HTML came from.

The number of ways PHP (or any program) can generate HTML (or anything
else) is infinite.

No tool can be that smart.

I suppose it could be done if combined with some template based
programming
discipline, but it'd be easier to use the w3c validator to find the
errors, and your
knowledge of your script to figure out where that error came from.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

webrod wrote:

>No, there is no difference. In either case you are using PHP to output
>information to the page. Nothing more, nothing less. Zip. Nada.

>
This is because you are focusing on the outpout. As I said, YES the
output is EXACTLY the same, if you compare the generated HTML, I agree
this is the same.
>

Then who cares about how it's generated? I sure don't. You're fixating
on the details instead of the overall picture.

>So what exactly do you want to validate? The only important things are
>- the PHP code itself is valid (the interpreter will tell you if it's
>not),

>
I don't care about the PHP code
>

Then don't worry about validating the source. Just use the HTML
validator to check the output.

>and the HTML output is valid (which the validator will tell you).

>
Yes. This is what I want.
BUT:
I don't want to validate the output because I am NOT looking for a
tool which only validate the HTML (like "you should replace <brby
<br/to be conformed with XHTML rule bla bla bla").
I am looking for a tool which will do the job for me ;-)
I want it to replace automatically <brby <br/in my php page.
I want it to udpate the code. (actually TIDY do it It works even with
PHP page but with bugs!!)
>
I'm sure you understand that I need to do this step on the input (the
php page) instead of the output (or its work will be lost!!!!!).
>
And then you get a better understanding of the difference between
familly 1 and familly 2.
>
Obviously, if you want to validate the output, there is no difference
(who said it is what I want?). But if you need to validate the HTML
code from a php page, you will understand it will be easier to
validate HTML code if the php code is in the HTML (and not the
opposite, when HTML is in the php code).
And that's why it is always recommended to belong to the second
family ;-)
>
Rod
>

You've got it. It's called "Brain 1.0". And no program has replaced it
yet. That's what you get paid for.

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[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

You want something to 'fix' the HTML code for you,

Yes, but only the HTML code that I have written in the php page.

It's easy enough to say, use the w3c validator and fix the HTML
yourself!

That's what I don't want to do ;-)

The tool you want would have to interpret PHP

Nooooooo (but I guess my english is too bad, so nobody understand me :
(

>and then 'validate' the *output* of your PHP script,

Nooooooo, I don't care about the output :(

and then somehow figure out where in the script
the
error came from... There are so many ways PHP can generate HTML,

No, no, definetely not, and PHP *will not generate HTML*.

>this would require a HUGE amount of intelligence. It would have to figure
out
how and where the HTML came from.

No, again. Actually, TIDY does it but with bugs

The number of ways PHP (or any program) can generate HTML (or anything
else) is infinite.

No, if you think in terms of XHTML validation. Definetely not.

No tool can be that smart.

Yes of course. TIDY team could fix their bugs or I could even do the
tool myself but I do not have time to spend with that, unfortunatelly.

I suppose it could be done if combined with some template based
programming
discipline, but it'd be easier to use the w3c validator to find the
errors, and your
knowledge of your script to figure out where that error came from.

Yes of course, but I am trying to figure how to avoid it.
If there is no solution, I will do it myself of course. I am just
looking for this tool, it could help now and in the future.

Now to explain why I am saying that php is not generating HTML, and
why I don't care about php code.
Here is an example of a code IN THE PHP page (this is not the output)

<?php for ($i=1;$i<=10;$i ++) {?>
<img src="<?php echo $fileName[$i]?>" >
<a href="<?php echo $link[$i]?>" <?php echo $fileName[$i]?</a>
<br>
<?php } ?>

A clever tool could say: OK, I don't care about php code, even if PHP
is generating HTML, I don't care!!
I don't want to validate XHTML output!!!!! (I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE
OUTPUT) . I just want to validate the XHTML in the PHP page.
SO it could translate this like that
//REMOVED PHP TAG
<img src="//REMOVED PHP TAG" >
<a href="//REMOVED PHP TAG"//REMOVED PHP TAG <br>
//REMOVED PHP TAG

then it could replace like that (by removing PHP code)
<img src="" >
<a href=""</a><br>

it could say now:
warning: alt is missing in the IMG tag
warning: IMG tas is not closed
warning: BR tag is not closed

Then it could update and provide:
<img src="" alt=""/>
<a href=""</a<br/>

Then It will put the code back:
//REMOVED PHP TAG
<img src="//REMOVED PHP TAG" alt="" />
<a href="//REMOVED PHP TAG"//REMOVED PHP TAG </a<br/>
//REMOVED PHP TAG

then:
<?php for ($i=1;$i<=10;$i ++) {?>
<img src="<?php echo $fileName[$i]?>" alt="" />
<a href="<?php echo $link[$i]?>" <?php echo $fileName[$i]?</a>
<br/>
<?php } ?>

Do you see now what I mean? Tidy does this work, but unfortunatelly
with some bugs.
This is easy to do, just an algorithm. Everybody who writes a
compilator one day know how it is easy (grammar etc etc).

Of course, this is easy because your are inserting PHP code in HTML
tags, which is the best solution to do.
When you are developping, If you separate the layers you have 2 php
pages for each page:
page1=contains only php code (business layer)
page2 included at the end of page1 =contains ONLY HTML code with a
few php code ike "echo, if, while". The main rule is to put php within
HTML tags (like my example). The php code outside should never
generates HTML code. It should only be there to increment a loop or to
manage a loop.

Of course when I write this:
<?php for ($i=1;$i<=10;$i ++) {?>
<img src="<?php echo $fileName[$i]?>" >
<?php } ?>

If you say that php is generating HTML code because it is repeating 10
times the <imgtag, then I understand why you don't understand what I
say!!
In this example I do not consider that PHP is really generating HTML
(it is repeating HTML code wich is *NOT* the same thing).
If you write this:
<?php echo"<img src="$fileName[$i]" >"
Then, php is genrating HTML code!! Everybody should avoid this, but
this is only my opinion.

The fact that PHP is repeating a line is not a problem with HTML
validation, because, if you are validating the HTML line (only 1),
then even if you duplicate this line ten times, the validation will
remain OK (maybe with some exceptions??).

That's why again I say it is easy. I really think you can validate
this:
<?php for ($i=1;$i<=10;$i ++) {?>
<img src="<?php echo $fileName[$i]?>" >
<a href="<?php echo $link[$i]?>" <?php echo $fileName[$i]?</a>
<br>
<?php } ?>

without validating this:
<img src="file1" >
<a href="file1"fil e1</a<br>
<img src="file2" >
<a href="file2"fil e2</a<br>
<img src="file3" >
<a href="file3"fil e3</a<br>
<img src="file4" >
<a href="file4"fil e4</a<br>
.......... etc etc

Rod

[webrod]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

On 28 avr, 03:13, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

webrod wrote:

No, there is no difference. In either case you are using PHP to output
information to the page. Nothing more, nothing less. Zip. Nada.

>

This is because you are focusing on the outpout. As I said, YES the
output is EXACTLY the same, if you compare the generated HTML, I agree
this is the same.

>
Then who cares about how it's generated? I sure don't. You're fixating
on the details instead of the overall picture.

I don't care about the overall picture in this thread? (and who
cares?)

So what exactly do you want to validate? The only important things are
- the PHP code itself is valid (the interpreter will tell you if it's
not),

>

I don't care about the PHP code

>
Then don't worry about validating the source. Just use the HTML
validator to check the output.

And if I don't want?

You've got it. It's called "Brain 1.0". And no program has replaced it
yet. That's what you get paid for.

I'm not paid for that.I've spent a lot of years to develop php website
but now I'm .NET architect (so I'm not paid anymore to do php stuffs)
I do not have time to spend to manually update my 100 templates php
pages because this is to update a personal website.
So I'm not paid for, and even If I was, I'm not paid to lost my time.
I'm paid to do my job ASAP, I don't want to loose the money of my
company because YOU are against automation and tools ;-)

OK, so I guess you are paid to write php with Microsoft NOTEPAD
because:
- you don"t need a tool to validate in real time your php code (you
don't care because you have brain 1.0 so you never have errors in your
code)
- you don't need a tool to debug your code (you don't care because you
have brain 1.0 so you never have errors or bugs)
- you don't need a tool to provide auto-completion (you know all the
php functions, what they do and their parameters thanks to brain
1.0..)
- you don't need a tool to manage source code (CVS..) even when you
work in a team (you have a good communication in the team because you
have brain 1.0 , so who cares this tool??)
- actually you don't need a tool beacause your get paid for using your
brain and not tools(????)

Seriously, if you do not know the tool I am looking for, then don't
waste your time ;-)

Rod

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[Geoff Berrow]

Re: Tool to validate HTML code with PHP tags?

Message-ID: <1177835633.197 048.31470@u30g2 000hsc.googlegr oups.comfrom
webrod contained the following:

>The fact that PHP is repeating a line is not a problem with HTML
>validation, because, if you are validating the HTML line (only 1),
>then even if you duplicate this line ten times, the validation will
>remain OK (maybe with some exceptions??).

Lots of exceptions

<?php if($something_i s_true){ ?>
<div style='border:1 px solid
red;padding:20p x;margin:20px;t ext-align:center'>
<?php } ?>

<?php if($something_e lse_is_true){ ?>
<div style='border:1 px solid
blue;padding:20 px;margin:20px; text-align:center'>
some content
</div>
<?php } ?>

<?php if($something_i s_true){ ?>
some more content
</div>
<?php } ?>

OK, you may /never/ code like this. But that's not the point. ASs far
as an automated tool is concerned that is perfectly valid code.

I can't see how you could possibly check the validity of the code
without parsing the php

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