Running PHP 4 & PHP 5 together as modules

[John Murtari]

Folks,

We would like to upgrade our servers to PHP 5 and PHP 4
together as modules on the same server (not as cgi, not passing
requests to another server). I did some extensive searching on
this and we ran some tests over a year ago and did not find a
solution (other than proxy forwarding to a PHP 5 configured server).

When PHP went to version 4 from version 3, it was possible
to run both at the same time, and have users select by file
extension, i.e. .php4,.php5. It seems a naming conflict within
the code itself prevents that from working with PHP 5. Has anyone
discovered a way to do this?

We are running apache 1.3.x on RHEL 4.

Thanks!
--
John
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[Johnny]

Re: Running PHP 4 & PHP 5 together as modules


"John Murtari" <jmurtari@thebo ok.comwrote in message
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Folks,
>
We would like to upgrade our servers to PHP 5 and PHP 4
together as modules on the same server (not as cgi, not passing
requests to another server). I did some extensive searching on
this and we ran some tests over a year ago and did not find a
solution (other than proxy forwarding to a PHP 5 configured server).
>
When PHP went to version 4 from version 3, it was possible
to run both at the same time, and have users select by file
extension, i.e. .php4,.php5. It seems a naming conflict within
the code itself prevents that from working with PHP 5. Has anyone
discovered a way to do this?
>
We are running apache 1.3.x on RHEL 4.
>
Thanks!
--
John

I've just done this successfully on apache2/gentoo. I have it running PHP4
for for .php files and PHP5 for .php5 files.
this doc won't all apply to your case but will likely give you enough
pointers to get you up and running:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/php/php4-php5-configuration.xml

hth, Johnny

[John Murtari]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

"Johnny" <reply@in.group .pleasewrites:

> We would like to upgrade our servers to PHP 5 and PHP 4
>together as modules on the same server (not as cgi, not passing
>requests to another server). I did some extensive searching on
>this and we ran some tests over a year ago and did not find a
>solution (other than proxy forwarding to a PHP 5 configured server).
>>
> When PHP went to version 4 from version 3, it was possible
>to run both at the same time, and have users select by file
>extension, i.e. .php4,.php5. It seems a naming conflict within
>the code itself prevents that from working with PHP 5. Has anyone
>discovered a way to do this?
>>
> We are running apache 1.3.x on RHEL 4.

>
I've just done this successfully on apache2/gentoo. I have it running PHP4
for for .php files and PHP5 for .php5 files.
this doc won't all apply to your case but will likely give you enough
pointers to get you up and running:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/php/php4-php5-configuration.xml

>
hth, Johnny

Thanks for the message, I checked the link out. But it appears
they are not BOTH running as modules on the same Apache server? The
choices seemed to be to run one as CGI, or if you want both as modules
use another instance of Apache. We were hoping someone may have knowledge
of a solution that allows both to run as modules within the same
Apache instance.

--
John
_______________ _______________ _______________ _______________ _______
John Murtari Software Workshop Inc.
jmurtari@follow ing domain 315.635-1968(x-211) "TheBook.Co m" (TM)

http://thebook.com/

[Schraalhans Keukenmeester]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

John Murtari wrote:

"Johnny" <reply@in.group .pleasewrites:
>

>> We would like to upgrade our servers to PHP 5 and PHP 4
>>together as modules on the same server (not as cgi, not passing
>>requests to another server). I did some extensive searching on
>>this and we ran some tests over a year ago and did not find a
>>solution (other than proxy forwarding to a PHP 5 configured server).
>>>
>> When PHP went to version 4 from version 3, it was possible
>>to run both at the same time, and have users select by file
>>extension, i.e. .php4,.php5. It seems a naming conflict within
>>the code itself prevents that from working with PHP 5. Has anyone
>>discovered a way to do this?
>>>
>> We are running apache 1.3.x on RHEL 4.

>

>I've just done this successfully on apache2/gentoo. I have it running PHP4
>for for .php files and PHP5 for .php5 files.
> this doc won't all apply to your case but will likely give you enough
>pointers to get you up and running:
>http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/php/ph...figuration.xml
>>
>hth, Johnny

>
Thanks for the message, I checked the link out. But it appears
they are not BOTH running as modules on the same Apache server? The
choices seemed to be to run one as CGI, or if you want both as modules
use another instance of Apache. We were hoping someone may have knowledge
of a solution that allows both to run as modules within the same
Apache instance.
>

Link is a bit dated, so your mileage may vary, but here goes:

http://www.digitalsandwich.com/archives/14-PHP5-and-PHP4-Running-on-SAME-apache-server.html

[John Murtari]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

Schraalhans Keukenmeester <bitbucket@inva lid.spamwrites:

>>> We would like to upgrade our servers to PHP 5 and PHP 4
>>>together as modules on the same server (not as cgi, not passing
>>>requests to another server). I did some extensive searching on
>>>this and we ran some tests over a year ago and did not find a
>>>solution (other than proxy forwarding to a PHP 5 configured server).
>>>>
>>> When PHP went to version 4 from version 3, it was possible
>>>to run both at the same time, and have users select by file
>>>extension, i.e. .php4,.php5. It seems a naming conflict within
>>>the code itself prevents that from working with PHP 5. Has anyone
>>>discovered a way to do this?
>>>>
>>> We are running apache 1.3.x on RHEL 4.

Link is a bit dated, so your mileage may vary, but here goes:
http://www.digitalsandwich.com/archi...he-server.html

Yes, thanks for that. It has some of the best information
I have found (I was suprised to see I had posted to the thread
years ago). It does seem that it just isn't possible and keep
'normal' functionality. I checked the php.net bug tracker and
saw a request posted on this, the response was 'will not happen.'

Not sure what the problem is, maybe a basic coding
problem when 5 was created -- but I really do think it is
slowing adoption of 5. We are a hosting provider, and it just
makes it more difficult for us to transition and get our users
to transition. Perhaps folks who are interested should submit
some bug reeports at php.net?
--
John
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[hansBKK]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

John Murtari <jmurtari@thebo ok.comwrote in
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Yes, thanks for that. It has some of the best information
I have found (I was suprised to see I had posted to the thread
years ago). It does seem that it just isn't possible and keep
'normal' functionality. I checked the php.net bug tracker and
saw a request posted on this, the response was 'will not happen.'

Not so bad running v4 as a module and v5 as CGI, as long as your customers
can still set their v5 php.ini options as well as v4 .htaccess, no?

Most people coding for 5 should be prepared to deal with a CGI environment
by now, and the "legacy" people can stick with 4.

[John Murtari]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

hansBKK,

> Yes, thanks for that. It has some of the best information
>I have found (I was suprised to see I had posted to the thread
>years ago). It does seem that it just isn't possible and keep
>'normal' functionality. I checked the php.net bug tracker and
>saw a request posted on this, the response was 'will not happen.'

>
Not so bad running v4 as a module and v5 as CGI, as long as your customers
can still set their v5 php.ini options as well as v4 .htaccess, no?
>
Most people coding for 5 should be prepared to deal with a CGI environment
by now, and the "legacy" people can stick with 4.

Yes, thanks, but as you know running CGI is a lot more server
overhead than as a built in module; also, on our apache server we
use 'suexec' so that user's scripts run under their userid -- that makes
some operations a lot easier (we provide web hosting). PHP runs as
the 'server' so there are some different coding issues especially if
an application wants to upload/create files on the server. If people
got used to a CGI PHP environment, it might not be an easy transition
if it was incorporated as a module.

Because of a wide user base it just makes things simpler
if the environment stays the same (as were able to do in the
php 3 -php 4 transition).

Best regards!

--
John
_______________ _______________ _______________ _______________ _______
John Murtari Software Workshop Inc.
jmurtari@follow ing domain 315.635-1968(x-211) "TheBook.Co m" (TM)

http://thebook.com/

[Schraalhans Keukenmeester]

Re: Running PHP 4 &amp; PHP 5 together as modules

John Murtari wrote:

hansBKK,
>

>> Yes, thanks for that. It has some of the best information
>>I have found (I was suprised to see I had posted to the thread
>>years ago). It does seem that it just isn't possible and keep
>>'normal' functionality. I checked the php.net bug tracker and
>>saw a request posted on this, the response was 'will not happen.'

>Not so bad running v4 as a module and v5 as CGI, as long as your customers
>can still set their v5 php.ini options as well as v4 .htaccess, no?
>>
>Most people coding for 5 should be prepared to deal with a CGI environment
>by now, and the "legacy" people can stick with 4.

>
Yes, thanks, but as you know running CGI is a lot more server
overhead than as a built in module; also, on our apache server we
use 'suexec' so that user's scripts run under their userid -- that makes
some operations a lot easier (we provide web hosting). PHP runs as
the 'server' so there are some different coding issues especially if
an application wants to upload/create files on the server. If people
got used to a CGI PHP environment, it might not be an easy transition
if it was incorporated as a module.
>
Because of a wide user base it just makes things simpler
if the environment stays the same (as were able to do in the
php 3 -php 4 transition).
>
Best regards!
>

Do you mean eventually we will all have to switch to CGI instead of
isapi module? Is there a reason for this trend I have missed perhaps?
I thought the modular version was the preferred/recommended strategy.

Sh.