Kind of projects to develop in php.

[king kikapu]

Hit to all folks here,

i recently got interested abiy php, i have a workable knowledge of
Python and a little bit of Ruby.
I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
only for web stuf.

I am -mainly- a windows developer and just want to escape from MS
umbrella, i just do not know
if php is the right choice. Can i use the language to build network
apps, or gui apps or DB stuff and the like
or i should stick to Python for this kind of (generic) developing ?

I recently saw that CodeGear (a Borland spin-off) will release Delphi
for php and i am very attracted to that.
VCL, first class debugger, a fully featured IDE.
I suppose that the combination of a product like that and the
language, will make me able to build nearly
anything and not only web stuff, or am i wrong ?

Thanks for any help!

[Harold Phillips]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

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I am -mainly- a windows developer and just want to escape from MS
umbrella, i just do not know
if php is the right choice. Can i use the language to build network
apps, or gui apps or DB stuff and the like
or i should stick to Python for this kind of (generic) developing ?

While you can indeed use PHP along with a GUI toolkit to develop some very
robust cross-platform GUI applications, PHP might not be the best tool for
that. Scripting languages in general tend to be a bit slow. If you're
wanting to do development for both the web and desktop in one language, you
might be better looking at something like Java.

I recently saw that CodeGear (a Borland spin-off) will release Delphi
for php and i am very attracted to that.
VCL, first class debugger, a fully featured IDE.
I suppose that the combination of a product like that and the
language, will make me able to build nearly
anything and not only web stuff, or am i wrong ?

I hadn't head this but that will make the enviroment very nice to develop
in. PHP is definitely worth looking at. Play with it and see how far you can
go with it. You might be surprised.

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[Paul Furman]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

king kikapu wrote:

Hit to all folks here,
>
i recently got interested abiy php, i have a workable knowledge of
Python and a little bit of Ruby.
I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
only for web stuf.
>
I am -mainly- a windows developer and just want to escape from MS
umbrella, i just do not know
if php is the right choice. Can i use the language to build network
apps, or gui apps or DB stuff and the like
or i should stick to Python for this kind of (generic) developing ?
>
I recently saw that CodeGear (a Borland spin-off) will release Delphi
for php and i am very attracted to that.
VCL, first class debugger, a fully featured IDE.
I suppose that the combination of a product like that and the
language, will make me able to build nearly
anything and not only web stuff, or am i wrong ?

I'm no programming guru but it seems to me php is really just for web
programming unless you want to do intranet stuff. It has to run from a
web server! Perl is a bit more powerful in some ways but lacks the vast
set of web development tools that make php so productive, and that's
what php is all about.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

Paul Furman wrote:

king kikapu wrote:
>

>Hit to all folks here,
>>
>i recently got interested abiy php, i have a workable knowledge of
>Python and a little bit of Ruby.
>I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
>only for web stuf.
>>
>I am -mainly- a windows developer and just want to escape from MS
>umbrella, i just do not know
>if php is the right choice. Can i use the language to build network
>apps, or gui apps or DB stuff and the like
>or i should stick to Python for this kind of (generic) developing ?
>>
>I recently saw that CodeGear (a Borland spin-off) will release Delphi
>for php and i am very attracted to that.
>VCL, first class debugger, a fully featured IDE.
>I suppose that the combination of a product like that and the
>language, will make me able to build nearly
>anything and not only web stuff, or am i wrong ?

>
I'm no programming guru but it seems to me php is really just for web
programming unless you want to do intranet stuff. It has to run from a
web server! Perl is a bit more powerful in some ways but lacks the vast
set of web development tools that make php so productive, and that's
what php is all about.

No, PHP does not have to run from the server. I do a lot of scripts
which run standalone.

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[Paul Furman]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Paul Furman wrote:
>

>king kikapu wrote:
>>

>>Hit to all folks here,
>>>
>>i recently got interested abiy php, i have a workable knowledge of
>>Python and a little bit of Ruby.
>>I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
>>only for web stuf.
>>>
>>I am -mainly- a windows developer and just want to escape from MS
>>umbrella, i just do not know
>>if php is the right choice. Can i use the language to build network
>>apps, or gui apps or DB stuff and the like
>>or i should stick to Python for this kind of (generic) developing ?
>>>
>>I recently saw that CodeGear (a Borland spin-off) will release Delphi
>>for php and i am very attracted to that.
>>VCL, first class debugger, a fully featured IDE.
>>I suppose that the combination of a product like that and the
>>language, will make me able to build nearly
>>anything and not only web stuff, or am i wrong ?

>>
>>
>I'm no programming guru but it seems to me php is really just for web
>programming unless you want to do intranet stuff. It has to run from a
>web server! Perl is a bit more powerful in some ways but lacks the
>vast set of web development tools that make php so productive, and
>that's what php is all about.

>
>
No, PHP does not have to run from the server. I do a lot of scripts
which run standalone.

How does that work?
I could use it for stuff like image batch processing, renaming, etc.

[peter]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

How does that work?
I could use it for stuff like image batch processing, renaming, etc.

You can either run php from a command line or you can use something like
http://gtk.php.net/ for gui applications.

[Peter Fox]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

Following on from king kikapu's message. . .

>Hit to all folks here,
>
>i recently got interested abiy php, i have a workable knowledge of
>Python and a little bit of Ruby.
>I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
>only for web stuf.

Turn the question around. Does Python do all you want it to do? If so
I'd suggest stick with it and spend time on becoming an ace programmer
rather than a Jack of all trades. (Obviously a working knowledge of PHP
is a good thing as there's a lot of it about.)

In some ways PHP fills the niche that BASIC did 20 years ago. Easy to
use, multi-platform and plenty of get going quickly stuff but lacking
some of the features looked for by more system oriented programmers. It
/can/ be run stand-alone but there will be some sorts of use that it
simply isn't suited for. For example if you wanted to write your own
server I think you'd have a hard time doing that in PHP. I think you'll
find Python is more sophisticated in that respect.


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[Paul Furman]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

peter wrote:

>>How does that work?
>>I could use it for stuff like image batch processing, renaming, etc.

>
You can either run php from a command

Huh, so you can, I just did a little test with a .bat file:
php test.php test.txt

No real interface for a GUI though, hence the gtk extension below.

line or you can use something like
http://gtk.php.net/ for gui applications.

[king kikapu]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

Thank you all for the help!

[Toby A Inkster]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

king kikapu wrote:

I just want to ask, if php is suitable for generic programming and not
only for web stuf.

As others have said, you *can* program anything in PHP, but PHP certainly
"lends itself" to web and command-line programming.

As you already know Python, take a look at wxPython <http://www.wxpython.or g/>
which ought to provide you with a relatively easy way to write GUI apps in
Python and run them cross-platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix).

Here are some screenshots of an application written with wxPython on both
Windows and Mac. (It also runs on Linux and UNIX, but no screenshots are
shown.)

http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.php

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[king kikapu]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

As others have said, you *can* program anything in PHP, but PHP certainly

"lends itself" to web and command-line programming.

Ok, i do not mind if "lends itself" to web but i do not know if it is
capable of doing other things, except from web.

As you already know Python, take a look at wxPython <http://www.wxpython.or g/>
which ought to provide you with a relatively easy way to write GUI apps in
Python and run them cross-platform (Windows, Mac, Linux, Unix).

I already know wxPython, i am testing wxGlade and PythonCard for the
UI stuff but in Python we do not currently have a
complete IDE product that enable us to do all the work from inside ONE
product.
We have to glue parts from here and there and this is something i am
not used to do (coming from visual studio, remember ? :) )

Anyway, as i can understand from the posts here, propably php is not
exactly for me. I do not do web stuff and taking
a language that is designed to do web stuff for building something
else will rather give me hard times at the future...


But anyway, thanks again!

[Toby A Inkster]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

king kikapu wrote:

We have to glue parts from here and there and this is something i am
not used to do

If you're looking for VisualBASIC, then use VisualBASIC. ;-)

More seriously, VB.NET and its siblings are more-or-less cross-platform if
you use them properly. (q.v. the Mono Project.)

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[king kikapu]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

If you're looking for VisualBASIC, then use VisualBASIC. ;-)

>

No, i am not! :)
I am looking for something that can take me away from MS products but
still retain my productivity...

[no@hope.com]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

In article <1174306254.800 221.222770@y80g 2000hsf.googleg roups.com>,
aboudouvas@pana fonet.gr says...

If you're looking for VisualBASIC, then use VisualBASIC. ;-)

No, i am not! :)
I am looking for something that can take me away from MS products but
still retain my productivity...
>
>

try delphi/pascal

PHP is a simple script language with many bugs. Its good for scripts
and thats all.

[Toby A Inkster]

Re: Kind of projects to develop in php.

no wrote:

aboudouvas@pana fonet.gr:
>

>I am looking for something that can take me away from MS products but
>still retain my productivity...

>
try delphi/pascal

I second that recommendation. Delphi has a similar drag-and-drop form
design IDE to VisualBASIC, but has a somewhat nicer programming language
(Object Pascal).

PHP is a simple script language with many bugs. Its good for scripts
and thats all.

Nonsense.

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