phpMyAdmin in Flash

[Darren Gates]

hi PHP users,

Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:

http://www.tufat.com/phpflashmyadmin.php

Special features include: drag-and-drop interface for InnoDB table
relationships, quick record editing, tree-menu display for databases
and tables, support for multiple hosts, and much more...

Thanks,
Darren

[Hayden Kirk]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

"Darren Gates" <g8z@yahoo.co m> wrote in message
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> hi PHP users,
>
> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:
>
> http://www.tufat.com/phpflashmyadmin.php
>
> Special features include: drag-and-drop interface for InnoDB table
> relationships, quick record editing, tree-menu display for databases
> and tables, support for multiple hosts, and much more...
>
> Thanks,
> Darren[/color]

Looks very good,

Keep up the good work, gave me a few ideas for other projects.

How hard is it to do Flash/Php sites? I've never tried using flash, but your
example gave me a good idea.

Thanks
- Hayden

[Darren Gates]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

hi Hayden,

It's very simple, especially if you're familiar with OOP. Flash 7 is quite
easy to pick up since it's very object-oriented.

regards,
Darren

"Hayden Kirk" <spam@spam.co m> wrote in message
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> "Darren Gates" <g8z@yahoo.co m> wrote in message
> news:5ebc553c.0 404011149.5d80a e8f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
> > hi PHP users,
> >
> > Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:
> >
> > http://www.tufat.com/phpflashmyadmin.php
> >
> > Special features include: drag-and-drop interface for InnoDB table
> > relationships, quick record editing, tree-menu display for databases
> > and tables, support for multiple hosts, and much more...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Darren[/color]
>
> Looks very good,
>
> Keep up the good work, gave me a few ideas for other projects.
>
> How hard is it to do Flash/Php sites? I've never tried using flash, but[/color]
your[color=blue]
> example gave me a good idea.
>
> Thanks
> - Hayden
>
>[/color]

[somaBoy MX]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

"Darren Gates" <g8z@yahoo.co m> wrote...
[color=blue]
> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:
>
> http://www.tufat.com/phpflashmyadmin.php
>
> Special features include: drag-and-drop interface for InnoDB table
> relationships, quick record editing, tree-menu display for databases
> and tables, support for multiple hosts, and much more...[/color]

Excellent working example of the flash "rich internet application" paradigm.
If you continue to fine tune it and add features it will become a very
welcome alternative to phpMyAdmin.

Did you use amfPHP on the backend?


..soma

[Brandon Blackmoor]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

Darren Gates wrote:[color=blue]
>
> hi PHP users,
> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:[/color]

Good god, no. The last thing the world needs is another Flash
abomination. If Macromedia were to vanish along with every Flash plug-in
on the planet, the world would be better place. Flash, like HTML mail
and ActiveX, has no redeeming virtues.

bblackmoor
2004-04-02

[Darren Gates]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

hi,

XML was used on the backend. Although there is some speed difference between
AMFPHP and XML, I feel that the gain in readability and editability makes
XML a more desirable communication protocol. Users on high-speed connections
will probably never notice any difference anyway.

regards,
Darren

"somaBoy MX" <none@nonesuch. net> wrote in message
news:406d499a$0 $2018$ba620e4c@ news.skynet.be. ..[color=blue]
> "Darren Gates" <g8z@yahoo.co m> wrote...
>[color=green]
> > Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:
> >
> > http://www.tufat.com/phpflashmyadmin.php
> >
> > Special features include: drag-and-drop interface for InnoDB table
> > relationships, quick record editing, tree-menu display for databases
> > and tables, support for multiple hosts, and much more...[/color]
>
> Excellent working example of the flash "rich internet application"[/color]
paradigm.[color=blue]
> If you continue to fine tune it and add features it will become a very
> welcome alternative to phpMyAdmin.
>
> Did you use amfPHP on the backend?
>
>
> .soma
>
>[/color]

[Darren Gates]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

Regardless of whether one feels that frames or Flash is evil or not... there
are many things that can be done in Flash that are simply *impossible* (or
at least, REALLY hard) to implement using HTML.

I present to you the "relationsh ips building" tool in phpFlashMyAdmin ... how
would this be done using phpMyAdmin (with InnoDB tables)? Well, you could
certainly could use "alter table" SQL syntax, but that's a pain to do over
and over for every change. Then, to delete or alter the relationship, you
must also use SQL... why not simply drag and drop the relationships visually
and instantaneously ? By using Flash, creating and modifying foreign key
relationships among tables (and thus enforcing so-called "referentia l
integrity") is WAY easier than by executing SQL.

And then there are the page refreshes... After I've accessed the 15th page
of a recordset and edited some number of records using phpMyAdmin, I'm
nearly about to pull my hair out waiting for pages to refresh!
phpFlashMyAdmin elminates page refreshes completely.

"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblackmoor@spa mcop.net> wrote in message
news:c4jscr$2ka r26$1@ID-97660.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue]
> Darren Gates wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > hi PHP users,
> > Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:[/color]
>
> Good god, no. The last thing the world needs is another Flash
> abomination. If Macromedia were to vanish along with every Flash plug-in
> on the planet, the world would be better place. Flash, like HTML mail
> and ActiveX, has no redeeming virtues.
>
> bblackmoor
> 2004-04-02[/color]

[Joel Farris]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

Brandon Blackmoor wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Darren Gates wrote:
>> hi PHP users,
>> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:[/color]
>
>
> Good god, no. The last thing the world needs is another Flash
> abomination. If Macromedia were to vanish along with every Flash plug-in
> on the planet, the world would be better place. Flash, like HTML mail
> and ActiveX, has no redeeming virtues.[/color]


I'll bet you keep the window blinds in your apartment closed all day long
too, huh?
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[Ian.H]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:10:48 -0500, Joel Farris wrote:


OK.. I'll play...

[color=blue]
> Brandon Blackmoor wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Darren Gates wrote:
>>> hi PHP users,
>>> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:[/color]
>>
>>
>> Good god, no. The last thing the world needs is another Flash
>> abomination. If Macromedia were to vanish along with every Flash plug-in
>> on the planet, the world would be better place. Flash, like HTML mail
>> and ActiveX, has no redeeming virtues.[/color]
>
>
> I'll bet you keep the window blinds in your apartment closed all day long
> too, huh?[/color]


The problem is IMO.. that Web sites should be (and I thought the purpose)
to display information and the likes (obviously administration for this is
assumed too for some situations). The need to make a Web site an "OS style
application" or a "glossy brochure" is? There's 2 much better alternatives
to this:


1:> An OS application
2:> A glossy brochure


So many sites these days are bloated with unneccessary graphics that just
hinder the loading of the page.. stupid background music and other
kid-like things. Unless the site is depicting an artists gallery or
similar... plaintext works just fine to read info does it not?
Illustrations / diagrams etc are often used to explain more complex
examples (or for general windoze users).. but these add to the
_information_.. they're not there to "look pretty".

HTML renders in "all" browsers.. frames in the majority (FWIW.. I _HATE_
frames in _sites_.. administration applications however.. it does have
benefits sometimes)... but flash requires external plugins.. more often
than not heavy loading times (initially) which is not good for many users
(bear in mind that the majority of 'net users are still on dialup
connections).



Regards,

Ian

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London, UK

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[Jan Pieter Kunst]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

In article <pan.2004.04.05 .16.51.07.47000 @bubbleboy.digi serv.net>,
"Ian.H" <ian@WINDOZEdig iserv.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Web sites should be (and I thought the purpose)
> to display information and the likes[/color]

Web sites 'should be' whatever people want them to be. If that includes
OS-style applications and glossy brochures, so be it.

I too dislike Flash in most cases (because in most cases it's used to
display annoying advertisements) but I can certainly see that it can be
useful if the goal is to mimic a desktop-like application. I have
nothing against that goal, as such. (But I would rather see open tools
and formats like (ECMA|Java)Scri pt and SVG being used than something
proprietary like Flash, though.)

JP

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[Darren Gates]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

But why limit ourselves to just displaying information on websites? Why
can't the web have OS-style apps and glossy brochures? To me, Flash enriches
the user's overall web experience. The Flash plugin is nearly ubiquitous at
this point, and it's easy to aquire for users who don't have it. Using Flash
with a server-side technology like PHP makes programming a rich, web-based
application 100x easier. The question is not 'why use flash' but 'why NOT
use flash!'


"Ian.H" <ian@WINDOZEdig iserv.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.0 4.05.16.51.07.4 7000@bubbleboy. digiserv.net...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:10:48 -0500, Joel Farris wrote:
>
>
> OK.. I'll play...
>
>[color=green]
> > Brandon Blackmoor wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>> Darren Gates wrote:
> >>> hi PHP users,
> >>> Here's a Flash 7 version of phpMyAdmin:
> >>
> >>
> >> Good god, no. The last thing the world needs is another Flash
> >> abomination. If Macromedia were to vanish along with every Flash[/color][/color][/color]
plug-in[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> on the planet, the world would be better place. Flash, like HTML mail
> >> and ActiveX, has no redeeming virtues.[/color]
> >
> >
> > I'll bet you keep the window blinds in your apartment closed all day[/color][/color]
long[color=blue][color=green]
> > too, huh?[/color]
>
>
> The problem is IMO.. that Web sites should be (and I thought the purpose)
> to display information and the likes (obviously administration for this is
> assumed too for some situations). The need to make a Web site an "OS style
> application" or a "glossy brochure" is? There's 2 much better alternatives
> to this:
>
>
> 1:> An OS application
> 2:> A glossy brochure
>
>
> So many sites these days are bloated with unneccessary graphics that just
> hinder the loading of the page.. stupid background music and other
> kid-like things. Unless the site is depicting an artists gallery or
> similar... plaintext works just fine to read info does it not?
> Illustrations / diagrams etc are often used to explain more complex
> examples (or for general windoze users).. but these add to the
> _information_.. they're not there to "look pretty".
>
> HTML renders in "all" browsers.. frames in the majority (FWIW.. I _HATE_
> frames in _sites_.. administration applications however.. it does have
> benefits sometimes)... but flash requires external plugins.. more often
> than not heavy loading times (initially) which is not good for many users
> (bear in mind that the majority of 'net users are still on dialup
> connections).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
>
> --
> Ian.H
> digiServ Network
> London, UK
> http://digiserv.net/
>[/color]

[Brandon Blackmoor]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

Darren Gates wrote:[color=blue]
>
> The question is not 'why use flash' but 'why NOT
> use flash!'[/color]

Because it's a buggy, nonstandard, proprietary plug-in that breaks
numerous web fundamentals and encourages (to put it mildly -- some would
say "mandates") user-hostile interface design. Flash is, in just about
every way, one of the worst things to happen to the web since frames.

Don't install it, don't use it, and don't tolerate people who do.

'Nuff said.

bblackmoor
2004-04-06

[Darren Gates]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

Whether a user interface is user-friendly and well-designed depends on the
designer. There is no question that Flash can be abused, but so can HTML
(think animated gifs and websites that look like random notes).

While it's true that a lot of Flash sites have poor interfaces, that's not
inherent to the technology. Flash can be a tool to enhance interfaces if
used well.


"Brandon Blackmoor" <bblackmoor@spa mcop.net> wrote in message
news:c4vafm$2lv ahq$1@ID-97660.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue]
> Darren Gates wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > The question is not 'why use flash' but 'why NOT
> > use flash!'[/color]
>
> Because it's a buggy, nonstandard, proprietary plug-in that breaks
> numerous web fundamentals and encourages (to put it mildly -- some would
> say "mandates") user-hostile interface design. Flash is, in just about
> every way, one of the worst things to happen to the web since frames.
>
> Don't install it, don't use it, and don't tolerate people who do.
>
> 'Nuff said.
>
> bblackmoor
> 2004-04-06[/color]

[John Dunlop]

[OT] Difference between WWW and Internet (was: phpMyAdmin in Flash)

Darren Gates wrote topsyturvily:
[color=blue]
> But why limit ourselves to just displaying information on websites? Why
> can't the web have OS-style apps and glossy brochures?[/color]

I don't think the question is "Why can't ... ", but rather "Why
shouldn't ... ". My answer would be, as Ian has said, that that is
not what the web was intended for or is suited to. By presenting
"OS-style apps and glossy brochures" on the web, you're losing out on
the advantages the web has over other mediums.

Why not exploit the strengths of the WWW? Or has the puissance of
the web passed you by?

WWW != Internet

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/980920.html

--
Jock

[Ian.H]

Re: phpMyAdmin in Flash

[ Rearranged into correct Usenet (and common sense) order ]

[color=blue]
> "Brandon Blackmoor" <bblackmoor@spa mcop.net> wrote in message
> news:c4vafm$2lv ahq$1@ID-97660.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=green]
>> Darren Gates wrote:[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > The question is not 'why use flash' but 'why NOT
>> > use flash!'[/color]
>>
>> Because it's a buggy, nonstandard, proprietary plug-in that breaks
>> numerous web fundamentals and encourages (to put it mildly -- some would
>> say "mandates") user-hostile interface design. Flash is, in just about
>> every way, one of the worst things to happen to the web since frames.
>>
>> Don't install it, don't use it, and don't tolerate people who do.
>>
>> 'Nuff said.
>>
>> bblackmoor
>> 2004-04-06[/color][/color]


On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:15:12 +0000, Darren Gates wrote:
[color=blue]
> Whether a user interface is user-friendly and well-designed depends on the
> designer. There is no question that Flash can be abused, but so can HTML
> (think animated gifs and websites that look like random notes).
>
> While it's true that a lot of Flash sites have poor interfaces, that's not
> inherent to the technology. Flash can be a tool to enhance interfaces if
> used well.[/color]


I really suggest trying to stop thinking like micro$h!te.. look at the
problems it causes them.

You seem to be all for this "rich experience" and the likes... now here's
the blunt part... It's an A D M I N T O O L! No more.. no less.

This is the problem with a lot of windoze (l)users.. they seem to think
that "pretty point n drool" is the answer to everything... well I've got
news for you sunshine... it most certainly is _NOT_ the answer to
everything (just like cmdline > GUI for many many MANY things).



Regards,

Ian


PS: Please learn to post _properly_.

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London, UK

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