I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser on
this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name wrong
too...sigh...
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I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser on
this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name wrong
too...sigh...
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Re: body tags in an include?
Big Bill wrote:[color=blue]
> http://www.promcars.co.uk/pages/bonnie.php
>
> I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
> stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser on
> this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name wrong
> too...sigh...
>
> BB[/color]
Body tags (or any tags for that matter) have nothing to do with whether an
include functions or not.
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I'm a php newbie so take it with a grain of salt, but I put my body tag
in my header.inc file and functions perfectly. All that matters is
where the body tag ends up in the final generated HTML code.
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Re: body tags in an include?
"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscap e.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> http://www.promcars.co.uk/pages/bonnie.php
> I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
> stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser
> on this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name
> wrong too...sigh...[/color]
Bill, look at it this way...
If every page has the same image at the top of the screen, the same
menu on the left of the screen, and then they have the same opening
<div class="maincont ent"> tag, the best way to handle this is how?
Furthermore, if they ALL have the same <link > tag including the
same CSS file, the same javascript include tags, why not create one
file and just include it after inserting the
<title>,
<meta name="keywords" ...
<meta name="descripti on" ...
and they all will contain the same things here, unless you dynamically
load the left menu, topmenu items, et al. And even then, the included
file could identify which page gets loaded, and dim out the appropriate
menu items.
</head>
<body><div id="topbanner"> ...</div>
<div id="leftmenu">. ..</div>
<div id="maincontent ">
tags. Furthermore, if each page reads it's keywords and description
and title from a database, you could configure it all inside one include
file, and use the page name/folder/or whatever to identify which record
to load and your whole presentation could come from a database.
Jim Carlock
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Re: body tags in an include?
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:14:54 GMT, "Jim Carlock" <anonymous@127. 0.0.1>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscap e.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> http://www.promcars.co.uk/pages/bonnie.php
>> I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
>> stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser
>> on this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name
>> wrong too...sigh...[/color]
>
>Bill, look at it this way...
>
>If every page has the same image at the top of the screen, the same
>menu on the left of the screen, and then they have the same opening
><div class="maincont ent"> tag, the best way to handle this is how?
>Furthermore, if they ALL have the same <link > tag including the
>same CSS file, the same javascript include tags, why not create one
>file and just include it after inserting the
>
> <title>,
> <meta name="keywords" ...
> <meta name="descripti on" ...
>
>and they all will contain the same things here, unless you dynamically
>load the left menu, topmenu items, et al. And even then, the included
>file could identify which page gets loaded, and dim out the appropriate
>menu items.
>
> </head>
> <body><div id="topbanner"> ...</div>
> <div id="leftmenu">. ..</div>
> <div id="maincontent ">
>
>tags. Furthermore, if each page reads it's keywords and description
>and title from a database, you could configure it all inside one include
>file, and use the page name/folder/or whatever to identify which record
>to load and your whole presentation could come from a database.
>
>Jim Carlock
>Post replies to the group.
>[/color]
Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page due to php
includes using them, one pair per include". Is that any clearer?
That's the problem the page has if you look at it, multiple instances
of the body tag. I don't believe they should be there as obviously an
include shouldn't need to be topped and tailed with a body tag if it's
one of several includes in an existing page with its own body tags
anyway.
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Re: body tags in an include?
"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscap e.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page
> due to php includes using them, one pair per include". Is that
> any clearer?[/color]
There's only supposed to be one <head> section and only one
<body> section in any document. Including more than one of
either/or (1) throws a browser into quirks mode, (2) creates an
invalid document, (3) makes debugging harder, (4) adds more
unnecessary content to the page, making the page bigger, which
in turn slows down the delivery of the page and (5) it serves no
purpose.
I see no reason for placing multiple <body> tags in any HTML
document.
Hope that helps.
Jim Carlock
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Re: body tags in an include?
Big Bill wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:14:54 GMT, "Jim Carlock" <anonymous@127. 0.0.1>
> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscap e.co.uk> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>http://www.promcars.co.uk/pages/bonnie.php
>>>I don't believe they should be there, can I take them out without
>>>stopping the includes from functioning? I'm the (hapless) optimiser
>>>on this one... I have to correct where they've spelled my name
>>>wrong too...sigh...[/color]
>>
>>Bill, look at it this way...
>>
>>If every page has the same image at the top of the screen, the same
>>menu on the left of the screen, and then they have the same opening
>><div class="maincont ent"> tag, the best way to handle this is how?
>>Furthermore , if they ALL have the same <link > tag including the
>>same CSS file, the same javascript include tags, why not create one
>>file and just include it after inserting the
>>
>><title>,
>><meta name="keywords" ...
>><meta name="descripti on" ...
>>
>>and they all will contain the same things here, unless you dynamically
>>load the left menu, topmenu items, et al. And even then, the included
>>file could identify which page gets loaded, and dim out the appropriate
>>menu items.
>>
>></head>
>><body><div id="topbanner"> ...</div>
>><div id="leftmenu">. ..</div>
>><div id="maincontent ">
>>
>>tags. Furthermore, if each page reads it's keywords and description
>>and title from a database, you could configure it all inside one include
>>file, and use the page name/folder/or whatever to identify which record
>>to load and your whole presentation could come from a database.
>>
>>Jim Carlock
>>Post replies to the group.
>>[/color]
>
>
> Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page due to php
> includes using them, one pair per include". Is that any clearer?
> That's the problem the page has if you look at it, multiple instances
> of the body tag. I don't believe they should be there as obviously an
> include shouldn't need to be topped and tailed with a body tag if it's
> one of several includes in an existing page with its own body tags
> anyway.
>
> BB[/color]
Bill,
No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two <body>
tags, as you found.
And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files!
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Re: body tags in an include?
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:31:49 GMT, "Jim Carlock" <anonymous@127. 0.0.1>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscap e.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page
>> due to php includes using them, one pair per include". Is that
>> any clearer?[/color]
>
>There's only supposed to be one <head> section and only one
><body> section in any document. Including more than one of
>either/or (1) throws a browser into quirks mode, (2) creates an
>invalid document, (3) makes debugging harder, (4) adds more
>unnecessary content to the page, making the page bigger, which
>in turn slows down the delivery of the page and (5) it serves no
>purpose.
>
>I see no reason for placing multiple <body> tags in any HTML
>document.[/color]
Me neither. I have to educate the webmaster, it seems.
BB
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Re: body tags in an include?
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:45:38 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attg lobal.net> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page due to php
>> includes using them, one pair per include". Is that any clearer?
>> That's the problem the page has if you look at it, multiple instances
>> of the body tag. I don't believe they should be there as obviously an
>> include shouldn't need to be topped and tailed with a body tag if it's
>> one of several includes in an existing page with its own body tags
>> anyway.
>>
>> BB[/color]
>
>Bill,
>
>No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
>
>include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
>existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two <body>
>tags, as you found.
>
>And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files![/color]
Ah, little problem there, you see, it was he who suggested that I be
hired for the optimisation... he has done some stuff in the past I've
worked on that has had great visual appeal but he does need to be
pulled up on a few things.
BB
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[color=blue]
>
> Me neither. I have to educate the webmaster, it seems.
>[/color]
I would be questing him as a web master if he is using multipal <body>
tags within his documents. Actually I would be running in the opposite
direction from him.
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Re: body tags in an include? Related question
in article os6dnf-A8tscGbPZnZ2dnU VZ_vudnZ2d@comc ast.com, Jerry Stuckle at
jstucklex@attgl obal.net wrote on 4/1/06 8:45 AM:
[color=blue]
> No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
>
> include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
> existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two
> <body>
> tags, as you found.
>
> And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files![/color]
Related to this question, I am changing a previously "all HTML" site into a
"dynamicall y displayed by php" site. So I now have a template file with a
header, footer, navbar, etc., and when you call one of the old pages, Apache
redirects it into a dopage.php?p=pa ge.html format, and the old page is read
in to a $content variable, and displayed inside the template. Pretty
straightforward .
However, since all of the old pages (and there's a lot of them) were HTML
standalones, they all have headers, html tags, and body tags.
At the moment, it seems to be working fine, even with the extra html,
header, and body tags displayed in the middle of the page, nested inside the
"real" html and body tags.
I assume this is a no-no, but what are the problems with just leaving it
this way? It seems to be working anyway. Otherwise, I assume the options are
to rewrite every single page to remove this stuff, or to try and remove it
procedurally after reading it into the $content variable.
Thanks,
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Re: body tags in an include? Related question
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:42:50 GMT, Stephen Kay
<sk@karma-lab.nospam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>in article os6dnf-A8tscGbPZnZ2dnU VZ_vudnZ2d@comc ast.com, Jerry Stuckle at
>jstucklex@attg lobal.net wrote on 4/1/06 8:45 AM:
>[color=green]
>> No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
>>
>> include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
>> existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two
>> <body>
>> tags, as you found.
>>
>> And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files![/color]
>
>
>Related to this question, I am changing a previously "all HTML" site into a
>"dynamicall y displayed by php" site. So I now have a template file with a
>header, footer, navbar, etc., and when you call one of the old pages, Apache
>redirects it into a dopage.php?p=pa ge.html format, and the old page is read
>in to a $content variable, and displayed inside the template. Pretty
>straightforwar d.
>
>However, since all of the old pages (and there's a lot of them) were HTML
>standalones, they all have headers, html tags, and body tags.
>
>At the moment, it seems to be working fine, even with the extra html,
>header, and body tags displayed in the middle of the page, nested inside the
>"real" html and body tags.
>
>I assume this is a no-no, but what are the problems with just leaving it
>this way?[/color]
Semantically it'll be a mess and the search engines may well have
trouble determining the nature of the content. That's the SEO point of
view. It's why I'm trying to get rid of the anomalies in the ones I've
been handed.
[color=blue]
> It seems to be working anyway.[/color]
It displays ok, yeah, so do mine.
[color=blue]
> Otherwise, I assume the options are
>to rewrite every single page to remove this stuff,[/color]
You don't want to remove the info that's in some of the tags, you need
to keep the individual title tags and description tags, they're there
for a reason.
[color=blue]
> or to try and remove it
>procedurally after reading it into the $content variable.[/color]
Going from my brief intro to php, I dunno! I have a long enough night
ahead of me as it is!
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Re: body tags in an include? Related question
"Big Bill" wanted to know about multiple <body> and <head> tags.
I can see someone sticking multiple <body> and <head> tags in
when they're working with inline frames, framed content, but the
proper way to do this (I believe) would be detect if the page is
read from another page (has a parent) (server side script?).
I'm not familiar enough with PHP to give an answer, so perhaps
someone here could suggest the best way to detect if a framed
page is loaded from the address bar or as a frame. I'd like to get
a grip on this, myself.
Thanks much for any help here.
Jim Carlock
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Big Bill wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:45:38 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex@attg lobal.net> wrote:
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Perhaps I should have put "Multiple body tags in one page due to php
>>>includes using them, one pair per include". Is that any clearer?
>>>That's the problem the page has if you look at it, multiple instances
>>>of the body tag. I don't believe they should be there as obviously an
>>>include shouldn't need to be topped and tailed with a body tag if it's
>>>one of several includes in an existing page with its own body tags
>>>anyway.
>>>
>>>BB[/color]
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
>>
>>include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
>>existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two <body>
>>tags, as you found.
>>
>>And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files![/color]
>
>
> Ah, little problem there, you see, it was he who suggested that I be
> hired for the optimisation... he has done some stuff in the past I've
> worked on that has had great visual appeal but he does need to be
> pulled up on a few things.
>
> BB[/color]
Hmmm, I understand - but that kind of recommendation I think I can do without!
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Stephen Kay wrote:[color=blue]
> in article os6dnf-A8tscGbPZnZ2dnU VZ_vudnZ2d@comc ast.com, Jerry Stuckle at
> jstucklex@attgl obal.net wrote on 4/1/06 8:45 AM:
>
>[color=green]
>>No, multiple <head> and <body> tags in a document are invalid.
>>
>>include() effectively just does a "copy and paste" of the new file into the
>>existing one. So if both files have <body> tags then you end up with two
>><body>
>>tags, as you found.
>>
>>And it's time to fire the idiots who places these tags in included files![/color]
>
>
>
> Related to this question, I am changing a previously "all HTML" site into a
> "dynamicall y displayed by php" site. So I now have a template file with a
> header, footer, navbar, etc., and when you call one of the old pages, Apache
> redirects it into a dopage.php?p=pa ge.html format, and the old page is read
> in to a $content variable, and displayed inside the template. Pretty
> straightforward .
>
> However, since all of the old pages (and there's a lot of them) were HTML
> standalones, they all have headers, html tags, and body tags.
>
> At the moment, it seems to be working fine, even with the extra html,
> header, and body tags displayed in the middle of the page, nested inside the
> "real" html and body tags.
>
> I assume this is a no-no, but what are the problems with just leaving it
> this way? It seems to be working anyway. Otherwise, I assume the options are
> to rewrite every single page to remove this stuff, or to try and remove it
> procedurally after reading it into the $content variable.
>
> Thanks,[/color]
Other than:
1. It may or may not work in all current browsers,
2. It may or may not work in next generation browsers,
3. One look at the source (in any browser) shows you are lousy webmaster.
Any questions?
And btw - I would never code something like this in the first pace. Virtually
impossible to maintain!
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