Mpg movie stops playing in browser

[askMe]

I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?

Thanks.

http://www.askblax.com

[Oli Filth]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 12:57:[color=blue]
> I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
>
> Thanks.
>[/color]
<... SNIP BLATANT ATTEMPT AT SPAMMING ...>


Firstly, what does this have to do with PHP?

Secondly, if this isn't an attempt to spam, why have you not provided
sample HTML code, and a URL to the problematic page in question, or any
information about which browser you're using?


--
Oli

[askMe]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

Oli Filth wrote:[color=blue]
> askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 12:57:[color=green]
> > I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> > When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> > seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> > to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >[/color]
> <... SNIP BLATANT ATTEMPT AT SPAMMING ...>
>[/color]

Grow up already. This is not spamming. I am here looking for php
help. Wrong place?

http://www.askblax.com

[color=blue]
>
> Firstly, what does this have to do with PHP?[/color]

The application is developed in php. I'm sure there are javascript
solutions, but I'm looking for something that will work server side and
with reliably. I have tried working with the object tags as well and
none of the solutions I've found have worked consistently. The file
that needs to play is an mpg movie and I don't have tools to compress
it any further, but still need to play it online. I believe the
problem is in the file size and an inability to stream it.

Thanks.
[color=blue]
>
> Secondly, if this isn't an attempt to spam, why have you not provided
> sample HTML code, and a URL to the problematic page in question, or any
> information about which browser you're using?[/color]

I would have posted the code, but since the part that makes the video
run is using nothing but html's embed tag and php only for the name of
the clip to play, I didn't see the point. But here it is...

<?php
$do_video = "<embed width=320 height=260 src=../videos/$video clip=true
controller=true controls=true autoplay=false QUALITY=high
KEEPASPECTRATIO =true align=middle></embed>";
print "$do_video" ;
?>

It runs sometimes. Sometimes the video cuts off. I read somewhere
that this problem may be related to the timing out due to the video's
size.
[color=blue]
>
> --
> Oli[/color]

[Oli Filth]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 15:43:[color=blue]
> Oli Filth wrote:[color=green]
>> askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 12:57:[color=darkred]
>>> I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
>>> When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
>>> seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
>>> to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>[/color]
>> <... SNIP BLATANT ATTEMPT AT SPAMMING ...>
>>[/color]
>
> Grow up already. This is not spamming. I am here looking for php
> help. Wrong place?
>[/color]

Well, if it wasn't spamming, then I apologise, but you have to admit
that a post with zero information in an unrelated newsgroup and a URL to
a website, looks a lot like a ruse just to draw people to that website.
It wouldn't be the first time... ;)

[color=blue][color=green]
>> Firstly, what does this have to do with PHP?[/color]
>
> The application is developed in php.[/color]

Well, you didn't say that originally - and it still has no bearing on
the problem, as all PHP is doing is generating some HTML. The problem is
either with the HTML itself, or with the video file, or the way that
your server is serving up the video file, none of which is related to PHP.

You'd be far better asking this sort of question in alt.html or similar,
preferably with a URL to the page in question, so people have some
chance of figuring out what might be wrong.


--
Oli

[askMe]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser


Oli Filth wrote:[color=blue]
> askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 15:43:[color=green]
> > Oli Filth wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> askMe said the following on 15/01/2006 12:57:
> >>> I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> >>> When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> >>> seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> >>> to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >> <... SNIP BLATANT ATTEMPT AT SPAMMING ...>
> >>[/color]
> >
> > Grow up already. This is not spamming. I am here looking for php
> > help. Wrong place?
> >[/color]
>
> Well, if it wasn't spamming, then I apologise, but you have to admit
> that a post with zero information in an unrelated newsgroup and a URL to
> a website, looks a lot like a ruse just to draw people to that website.
> It wouldn't be the first time... ;)
>[/color]

Ha ha... and yes I know. I didn't realize it until you pointed it out,
though. I had forgotten all about how harsh usenet can be. No apology
needed. My apoligies to you. :-)
[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Firstly, what does this have to do with PHP?[/color]
> >
> > The application is developed in php.[/color]
>
> Well, you didn't say that originally - and it still has no bearing on
> the problem, as all PHP is doing is generating some HTML. The problem is
> either with the HTML itself, or with the video file, or the way that
> your server is serving up the video file, none of which is related to PHP.
>
> You'd be far better asking this sort of question in alt.html or similar,
> preferably with a URL to the page in question, so people have some
> chance of figuring out what might be wrong.
>[/color]
I don't want to use the HTML. That is a temporary fix until I can find
or create the proper php object. I was hoping that someone could lead
me to the appropriate php object or some open source that would handle
this problem. I know that there are all sorts of home made php apps
out there that have the ability to either convert movies to other
formats, compress them using php, or create specialty objects that
mimmick flash objects even. I've seen a lot of them, but, the old
freebies are now trial applications that expire or require modifying
the server. Thank you anyway.
[color=blue]
>
> --
> Oli[/color]

[Richard Brooks]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe wrote:[color=blue]
> I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
>
> Thanks.
>
> http://www.askblax.com
>[/color]

Nothing happens in Firefox! It just loads up as a plain Web page.


Richard.

[David Wahler]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe wrote:[color=blue]
> Oli Filth wrote:[color=green]
> > Well, you didn't say that originally - and it still has no bearing on
> > the problem, as all PHP is doing is generating some HTML. The problem is
> > either with the HTML itself, or with the video file, or the way that
> > your server is serving up the video file, none of which is related to PHP.
> >
> > You'd be far better asking this sort of question in alt.html or similar,
> > preferably with a URL to the page in question, so people have some
> > chance of figuring out what might be wrong.
> >[/color]
> I don't want to use the HTML. That is a temporary fix until I can find
> or create the proper php object. I was hoping that someone could lead
> me to the appropriate php object or some open source that would handle
> this problem. I know that there are all sorts of home made php apps
> out there that have the ability to either convert movies to other
> formats, compress them using php, or create specialty objects that
> mimmick flash objects even. I've seen a lot of them, but, the old
> freebies are now trial applications that expire or require modifying
> the server. Thank you anyway.[/color]

The behavior of the user's browser and/or media player is solely
determined by what gets output by your PHP code. Any objects or
whatever you create in PHP will have no bearing whatsoever on what the
browser gets - only the end result (the outputted HTML) is important.

If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
is going to be of no use to you. Personally, I'd say part of the
problem could be that the <embed> HTML tag is mostly obsolete, and you
should try using <object> -- but none of this has anything at all to do
with PHP.

-- David

[askMe]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser


Richard Brooks wrote:[color=blue]
> askMe wrote:[color=green]
> > I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> > When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> > seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> > to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > http://www.askblax.com
> >[/color]
>
> Nothing happens in Firefox! It just loads up as a plain Web page.[/color]

Thanks for checking. The beauty of PHP is that when a $variable
doesn't exist, it doesn't render the rest of the code inoperable like
in some other programming languages. PHP mistakes/problems are often
transparent. It ain't that *strict* if I remember correctly. That's
what I love about it.

Thanks for checking, though. I actually got the code I needed to work
with the appropriate object and the whole problem boiled down to the
object's classid being unavailable on the php server trying to serve it
up.
[color=blue]
>
> Richard.[/color]

[askMe]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser


David Wahler wrote:[color=blue]
> askMe wrote:[color=green]
> > Oli Filth wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Well, you didn't say that originally - and it still has no bearing on
> > > the problem, as all PHP is doing is generating some HTML. The problem is
> > > either with the HTML itself, or with the video file, or the way that
> > > your server is serving up the video file, none of which is related to PHP.
> > >
> > > You'd be far better asking this sort of question in alt.html or similar,
> > > preferably with a URL to the page in question, so people have some
> > > chance of figuring out what might be wrong.
> > >[/color]
> > I don't want to use the HTML. That is a temporary fix until I can find
> > or create the proper php object. I was hoping that someone could lead
> > me to the appropriate php object or some open source that would handle
> > this problem. I know that there are all sorts of home made php apps
> > out there that have the ability to either convert movies to other
> > formats, compress them using php, or create specialty objects that
> > mimmick flash objects even. I've seen a lot of them, but, the old
> > freebies are now trial applications that expire or require modifying
> > the server. Thank you anyway.[/color]
>
> The behavior of the user's browser and/or media player is solely
> determined by what gets output by your PHP code.[/color]

Yes. I realize that. That is why I wanted a bona fide and tested PHP
object that the open sourcers have tried, validated and distributed as
final -- so that I don't have to waste time on this sort of trivial
stuff. Also, that is why I prefer to just print the code and let the
browser decide how to handle the tags that get printed instead of <?php
variable output?>. I realize this goes against the norm. Most
programmers that I know prefer to php print only the variable's value
at run time and feel that offers better encapsulation.
[color=blue]
> Any objects or
> whatever you create in PHP will have no bearing whatsoever on what the
> browser gets - only the end result (the outputted HTML) is important.
>[/color]

Yes. But, rather than output an <embed> tag, I'd prefer to out a
universal tag that is handled by IE, netscape, fox fire, opera... and
the list goes on. Ordinarily, if you can get it to work in IE, the
other browsers follow suit and handle background problems for you.
[color=blue]
> If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
> is going to be of no use to you.[/color]

The video works. The mpg is embedded. It cuts off due to a timeout
limitation in PHP's default server settings.
[color=blue]
> Personally, I'd say part of the
> problem could be that the <embed> HTML tag is mostly obsolete,[/color]

Obsolete tags are the best because everything developed afterwards has
to handle its functionality -- unless its functionality posed a
security risk. I don't know of any security risks related to the embed
tag. Do you?
[color=blue]
> and you
> should try using <object>[/color]

I agree. That's how I ended up in this forum. All the examples of the
object tags I found did not work because I am developing in PHP. The
classid's were different from year to year and from browser to browser.
Guess its the nature of the beast. PHP has a flash library, but my
problem is not that deep currently.
[color=blue]
> -- but none of this has anything at all to do
> with PHP.[/color]

Beg to differ there. Javascript doesn't have this problem. Java
doesn't have this problem. C++ doesn't have this problem. PHP does.
The PHP objects address dealing with server side conversions requiring
config mod installations and a gazillion other tweaks. I shouldn't
have to do so much research to play a video on a web page. If you
think I'm wrong, check out the prices of the applications that provide
solutions for dealing with this problem. They wouldn't be commanding
such prices if this problem were not unique to PHP. Attributing $value
to PHP code/modules/classes is a good thing for PHP and open source, so
please don't play it down as not being a PHP issue.

Thanks for your comment.
[color=blue]
>
> -- David[/color]

http://www.askblax.com

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe wrote:[color=blue]
> I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
> When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
> seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
> to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
>
> Thanks.
>
> http://www.askblax.com
>[/color]

To start, try cleaning up your html:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.askblax.com/

--
=============== ===
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attgl obal.net
=============== ===

[Toby Inkster]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe wrote:
[color=blue]
> Yes. But, rather than output an <embed> tag, I'd prefer to out a
> universal tag that is handled by IE, netscape, fox fire, opera... and
> the list goes on.[/color]

<object> *is* supported by IE, Netscape, Firefox, Opera and the list goes
on.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

[Oli Filth]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe said the following on 16/01/2006 01:04:[color=blue]
> David Wahler wrote:[color=green]
>> The behavior of the user's browser and/or media player is solely
>> determined by what gets output by your PHP code.[/color]
>
> Yes. I realize that. That is why I wanted a bona fide and tested PHP
> object that the open sourcers have tried, validated and distributed as
> final -- so that I don't have to waste time on this sort of trivial
> stuff. Also, that is why I prefer to just print the code and let the
> browser decide how to handle the tags that get printed instead of <?php
> variable output?>.[/color]

What does that even mean? <?php echo $variable ?> outputs the content of
$variable; no involvement with the client/browser whatsoever. The
browser knows nothing about PHP.

[color=blue]
> I realize this goes against the norm. Most
> programmers that I know prefer to php print only the variable's value
> at run time and feel that offers better encapsulation.[/color]

Better "encapsulat ion" than what?

[color=blue][color=green]
>> Any objects or
>> whatever you create in PHP will have no bearing whatsoever on what the
>> browser gets - only the end result (the outputted HTML) is important.
>>[/color]
>
> Ordinarily, if you can get it to work in IE, the
> other browsers follow suit and handle background problems for you.[/color]

Well, if you think that's the case, I suggest you do a little more
research on embedding media in HTML, before even thinking about PHP.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
>> is going to be of no use to you.[/color]
>
> The video works. The mpg is embedded. It cuts off due to a timeout
> limitation in PHP's default server settings.[/color]

Please explain how you think that a PHP timeout setting (which controls
the maximum length of time PHP will execute a script before timing out)
has an effect on the client playing a video?

[color=blue][color=green]
>> and you
>> should try using <object>[/color]
>
> I agree. That's how I ended up in this forum. All the examples of the
> object tags I found did not work because I am developing in PHP. The
> classid's were different from year to year and from browser to browser.
> Guess its the nature of the beast.[/color]

The classid is a client-side, HTML attribute of the HTML <object>
element; nothing whatsoever to do with PHP.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> -- but none of this has anything at all to do
>> with PHP.[/color]
>
> Beg to differ there. Javascript doesn't have this problem. Java
> doesn't have this problem. C++ doesn't have this problem. PHP does.
> The PHP objects address dealing with server side conversions requiring
> config mod installations and a gazillion other tweaks.[/color]

What are you talking about? If it is possible to create a static HTML
page that works, then you can get PHP (or any server-side language, for
that matter) to produce identical HTML, and it will work. PHP settings
have nothing to do with how the client plays video.

[color=blue]
> I shouldn't
> have to do so much research to play a video on a web page. If you
> think I'm wrong, check out the prices of the applications that provide
> solutions for dealing with this problem.[/color]

This is a problem with cross-browser compatibility, not a problem with PHP.

[color=blue]
> please don't play it down as not being a PHP issue.[/color]

It's not a PHP issue.


--
Oli

[d]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

"Oli Filth" <catch@olifilth .co.uk> wrote in message
news:MxLyf.7267 $C7.3184@newsfe 3-win.ntli.net...[color=blue]
> askMe said the following on 16/01/2006 01:04:[color=green]
>> David Wahler wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The behavior of the user's browser and/or media player is solely
>>> determined by what gets output by your PHP code.[/color]
>>
>> Yes. I realize that. That is why I wanted a bona fide and tested PHP
>> object that the open sourcers have tried, validated and distributed as
>> final -- so that I don't have to waste time on this sort of trivial
>> stuff. Also, that is why I prefer to just print the code and let the
>> browser decide how to handle the tags that get printed instead of <?php
>> variable output?>.[/color]
>
> What does that even mean? <?php echo $variable ?> outputs the content of
> $variable; no involvement with the client/browser whatsoever. The browser
> knows nothing about PHP.
>
>[color=green]
>> I realize this goes against the norm. Most
>> programmers that I know prefer to php print only the variable's value
>> at run time and feel that offers better encapsulation.[/color]
>
> Better "encapsulat ion" than what?
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Any objects or
>>> whatever you create in PHP will have no bearing whatsoever on what the
>>> browser gets - only the end result (the outputted HTML) is important.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Ordinarily, if you can get it to work in IE, the
>> other browsers follow suit and handle background problems for you.[/color]
>
> Well, if you think that's the case, I suggest you do a little more
> research on embedding media in HTML, before even thinking about PHP.
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
>>> is going to be of no use to you.[/color]
>>
>> The video works. The mpg is embedded. It cuts off due to a timeout
>> limitation in PHP's default server settings.[/color]
>
> Please explain how you think that a PHP timeout setting (which controls
> the maximum length of time PHP will execute a script before timing out)
> has an effect on the client playing a video?[/color]

If the MPG is being streamed through a php script, then if the script times
out before it's sent all the data, the video will stop.
[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> and you
>>> should try using <object>[/color]
>>
>> I agree. That's how I ended up in this forum. All the examples of the
>> object tags I found did not work because I am developing in PHP. The
>> classid's were different from year to year and from browser to browser.
>> Guess its the nature of the beast.[/color]
>
> The classid is a client-side, HTML attribute of the HTML <object> element;
> nothing whatsoever to do with PHP.
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> -- but none of this has anything at all to do
>>> with PHP.[/color]
>>
>> Beg to differ there. Javascript doesn't have this problem. Java
>> doesn't have this problem. C++ doesn't have this problem. PHP does.
>> The PHP objects address dealing with server side conversions requiring
>> config mod installations and a gazillion other tweaks.[/color]
>
> What are you talking about? If it is possible to create a static HTML page
> that works, then you can get PHP (or any server-side language, for that
> matter) to produce identical HTML, and it will work. PHP settings have
> nothing to do with how the client plays video.
>
>[color=green]
>> I shouldn't
>> have to do so much research to play a video on a web page. If you
>> think I'm wrong, check out the prices of the applications that provide
>> solutions for dealing with this problem.[/color]
>
> This is a problem with cross-browser compatibility, not a problem with
> PHP.
>
>[color=green]
>> please don't play it down as not being a PHP issue.[/color]
>
> It's not a PHP issue.
>
>
> --
> Oli[/color]

[Oli Filth]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

d said the following on 16/01/2006 12:39:[color=blue]
> "Oli Filth" <catch@olifilth .co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MxLyf.7267 $C7.3184@newsfe 3-win.ntli.net...[color=green]
>> askMe said the following on 16/01/2006 01:04:[color=darkred]
>>> David Wahler wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> If you can't get the video to play properly in a static HTML page, PHP
>>>> is going to be of no use to you.
>>> The video works. The mpg is embedded. It cuts off due to a timeout
>>> limitation in PHP's default server settings.[/color]
>> Please explain how you think that a PHP timeout setting (which controls
>> the maximum length of time PHP will execute a script before timing out)
>> has an effect on the client playing a video?[/color]
>
> If the MPG is being streamed through a php script, then if the script times
> out before it's sent all the data, the video will stop.[/color]

This is true - however, in one of the OP's posts, (s)he stated that
(s)he's "using ... php only for the name of the clip to play ...
src=../videos/$video". So I'm assuming this isn't the case.

But, if it indeed is the case, then set_time_limit( ) is the solution,
assuming PHP is not running in safe mode.


--
Oli

[Richard Brooks]

Re: Mpg movie stops playing in browser

askMe wrote:[color=blue]
> Richard Brooks wrote:
>[color=green]
>>askMe wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I developed a web page that plays an mpg using the simple embed tag.
>>>When the page loads, the video starts, but then stops after a few
>>>seconds. I use the embed tag because I want the user's default player
>>>to kick in. What might be causing the video to start then stop?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>http://www.askblax.com
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Nothing happens in Firefox! It just loads up as a plain Web page.[/color]
>
>
> Thanks for checking. The beauty of PHP is that when a $variable
> doesn't exist, it doesn't render the rest of the code inoperable like
> in some other programming languages. PHP mistakes/problems are often
> transparent. It ain't that *strict* if I remember correctly. That's
> what I love about it.
>
> Thanks for checking, though. I actually got the code I needed to work
> with the appropriate object and the whole problem boiled down to the
> object's classid being unavailable on the php server trying to serve it
> up.
>[/color]

Let me know when you've done the updates. It keeps me from getting on
with what I'm meant to be doing without the guilt, if I just sat around
doing nothing! ;-)


Richard.