What you guys use to create web pages?

[Marco]

Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
out going to source and change it there.

heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
scratch.

[Kevin Thorpe]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

Marco wrote:[color=blue]
> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
> the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
> when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
> out going to source and change it there.
>
> heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
> i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
> scratch.
>[/color]
use vi! but only if you're at least a 7th level magic user ;-)

Personally I use vi (notpad on steroids) for everything; helped by the
fact that I lean heavily on style sheets. My colleague then uses
Dreamweaver to ruin^h^h^h^h style on top of the working code.

Dreamweaver is rather expensive though.
Mozilla's composer isn't too bad.

[Guillaume Brocker]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

Marco wrote:
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> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
> the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
> when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
> out going to source and change it there.
>
> heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
> i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
> scratch.[/color]

For me, good tools are text editor doing syntax highlighting. For
example, *vim* is not bad :) I'm a fun of *eclipse* too.

<http://www.vim.org>
<http://www.eclipse/org>
<http://www.eclipse-plugins.info>

But please, push that ugly frontpage aside :)

--
Guillaume Brocker

[Guillaume Brocker]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

Guillaume Brocker wrote:
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> <http://www.eclipse/org>[/color]

The good uri is <http://www.eclipse.org >

--
Guillaume Brocker

[Paul 'piz' Wellner Bou]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in[color=blue]
> the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
> when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
> out going to source and change it there.[/color]

I _never_ used and _never_ would use frontpage.
I hate WYSIWYG Editors...
I wouldn't use Mozilla's editor neither...
I used Dreamweaver a few months - but only the source editor.

Nowadays IE, Mozilla, Netscape, Konquerer, Opera, etc all understand
(more or less) CSS2 - there is no reason to use chaos-table-structures
which force you to use a WYSIWYG.

Handcoding - IMHO the only way.

Editors?
On Windows UltraEdit*, PHPEdit*, Maguma
On Linux: Quanta etc for little things
For both: Eclipse with php plugin, Zend Studio*, (ConTEXT)

*great!

There are a few more like BlueFish, Meybohms, etc which aren't bad but
they didn't convince me.

greetz
Paul

[Ian.H]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:00:23 +0000, Kevin Thorpe wrote:
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> Marco wrote:[color=green]
>> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change
>> in the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode,
>> specialy when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy
>> want with out going to source and change it there.
>>
>> heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good
>> for i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages
>> from scratch.
>>[/color]
> use vi! but only if you're at least a 7th level magic user ;-)
>
> Personally I use vi (notpad on steroids) for everything; helped by the
> fact that I lean heavily on style sheets. My colleague then uses
> Dreamweaver to ruin^h^h^h^h style on top of the working code.
>
> Dreamweaver is rather expensive though. Mozilla's composer isn't too bad.[/color]


Vim is great!

Anjuta is a nice GUI editor (amongst other bits and pieces) for *nix.

As for Dreamweaver, I don't know if there's a windoze port available, but
'Screem' looks somewhat similar for *nix anyway.



Regards,

Ian

--
Ian.H
digiServ Network
London, UK

http://digiserv.net/

[Tony Marston]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

For my PHP code I use PHPEdit from http://www.phpedit.net/. It has syntax
colouring, code hints, and an interactive debugger.

As all my HTML is generated via XML and XSL stylesheets I also use Komodo
from http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/ as it has an interactive
XSL debugger.

NEVER NEVER NEVER use FrontPage as it is an enormous pile of poo. WYSIWYG
editors are for girls. Real men use text editors.

--
Tony Marston

http://www.tonymarston.net

"Paul 'piz' Wellner Bou" <paul.wellner@u nited-scripts.com> wrote in message
news:c0teaq$1bj 224$1@ID-205474.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue][color=green]
> > Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change[/color][/color]
in[color=blue][color=green]
> > the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode,[/color][/color]
specialy[color=blue][color=green]
> > when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want[/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green]
> > out going to source and change it there.[/color]
>
> I _never_ used and _never_ would use frontpage.
> I hate WYSIWYG Editors...
> I wouldn't use Mozilla's editor neither...
> I used Dreamweaver a few months - but only the source editor.
>
> Nowadays IE, Mozilla, Netscape, Konquerer, Opera, etc all understand
> (more or less) CSS2 - there is no reason to use chaos-table-structures
> which force you to use a WYSIWYG.
>
> Handcoding - IMHO the only way.
>
> Editors?
> On Windows UltraEdit*, PHPEdit*, Maguma
> On Linux: Quanta etc for little things
> For both: Eclipse with php plugin, Zend Studio*, (ConTEXT)
>
> *great!
>
> There are a few more like BlueFish, Meybohms, etc which aren't bad but
> they didn't convince me.
>
> greetz
> Paul[/color]

[Jeffrey Silverman]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:54:23 +0000, Tony Marston wrote:
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> NEVER NEVER NEVER use FrontPage as it is an enormous pile of poo.[/color]

I agree completely and will also back this statement up with example (as
calling something a pile of poo without references to back it up is just
name calling).

Here is the (boring) story:
I was requested to take an existing FrontPage-created website and
reformat it and post it to the web. The frontpage pages were a
*nightmare* to reformat! For layout of images, instead of using regular
<img ...> tags there were all these XML declarations all over the place.
WTF?? The page was actually unusable in any browser other than MSIE and
even in IE it was not completely readable!!! Frontpage used CSS
positioning for elements that do not need to be positioned.

I had to manually (well, with Perl, Vim and some ad-hoc macros) strip out
irrelevant XML and CSS information and basically start from scratch.

Okay, not the best story, but the eXPerience definitely reaffirmed my
hatred of FrontPage.

<sideNote>
Wow! I can't believe how many respondees to the OP us Vi!
</sideNote>

later...

--
Jeffrey D. Silverman | jeffrey AT jhu DOT edu
Website | http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/

[Jon Beckett]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:07:39 +0100, "Marco" <mpgtlatbluewin dotch>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
>the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
>when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
>out going to source and change it there.
>
>heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
>i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
>scratch.
>[/color]

To be honest, with this being a PHP newsgroup, I guess you're only
going to be asking about HTML creation for page templates?

Dreamweaver seems to write very neat code, but still not as readable
as hand-written code...

If you are hand writing HTML in the Windows world, I have absolutely
relied on Textpad for a long time now (many years).

It's rock solid. It's stable. It has syntax hilighting. You can invent
your own syntax hilighting. You can make your own menu commands. You
can capture output. You can use regular expressions for both finding
and replacing. You can run external programs and capture their output
from your custom menu commands - running regexs on that output if you
want... the list goes on.

It isn't through some kind of mistake that people like Sun, IBM and
quite a few universities around the world have huge numbers of Textpad
licenses for their students...

[Carl]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

I use crimson editor. Much more comfortable to use than notepad, and
it's free ;) Frontpage sucks btw...

[Brandon Blackmoor]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

Marco wrote:[color=blue]
> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i
> need to change in the source things that i cant change while
> in the "normal" mode, specialy when working with tables its[/color]

1) Use CSS for layout, rather than tables.

2) A good editor (my favorite) is TextPad.

bblackmoor
2004-02-17

[steven mestdagh]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

Marco <mpgtlatbluewin dotch> wrote:[color=blue]
> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me[/color]

fp gives tons of unnecessary code, some of which is not even html.
writing your code by hand is not so hard, much cleaner and therefore
quicker for viewers of your site on a low bandwidth link.
as a text editor i use vim. it's very powerful, available on many
platforms (the default editor on most unix-like systems) and does
nice colored highlighting of html and php (it knows most of php's
built-in functions).

steven.

[Trent]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

"Marco" <mpgtlatbluewin dotch> wrote in message news:<40322e3a$ 1_2@news.bluewi n.ch>...[color=blue]
> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
> the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
> when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
> out going to source and change it there.
>
> heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
> i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
> scratch.[/color]

l33t doodz like to say they use Notepad, but it's really a poor text
editor. I prefer EditPlus or gVim.

Yeah, I *like* colored code and some frills here and there. If that
means I'm not hardcore, bfd.

[Brad Kent]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

I use textpad (www.textpad.com)
It's a great "notepad on steroids" for windows.


"Marco" <mpgtlatbluewin dotch> wrote in message news:<40322e3a$ 1_2@news.bluewi n.ch>...[color=blue]
> Ive been using front page but it starts to anoy me when i need to change in
> the source things that i cant change while in the "normal" mode, specialy
> when working with tables its soo hard to tell him what we realy want with
> out going to source and change it there.
>
> heh heh probably some while say use the mighty notepad ;) , its not good for
> i use it only when its to change a few things and not to start pages from
> scratch.[/color]

[adamt]

Re: What you guys use to create web pages?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:07:39 +0100, Marco wrote:

I'm getting on well with Bluefish for writing the HTML/PHP/Javascript/CSS
bits.

http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/

And I use the gimp for creating the static images.

http://www.gimp.org/

I'm sorta stuck using PHPmyAdmin for the MySQL stuff, as my current host
doesn't give shell accounts.