background tasks without "scheduled tasks"

[Greg Bryant]

I'm doing some work for a company that has an auction site running in
coldfusion. They're not real happy with it, and it needs a major overhaul,
so I'm looking at redoing it, and while I'm at it, might as well move to
PHP (for a variety of reasons - not trying to reopen the PHP -vs- CFM thing
again :).

Anyway, so I'm looking at this system, and there are no "scheduled tasks"
(it's win2kas). How do you write a server app that needs to know when to
make things happen with a cron job? Is there some other technique that I
missed (long running processes with sleep() tend to be prone to error, and
I'm not sure that either cfm or php support that anyway).

Thanks,
Greg

[Chung Leong]

Re: background tasks without "schedu led tasks"

Weird. Did you check in the Control Panel? Make sure the Task Scheduler
service is running too.


Uzytkownik "Greg Bryant" <bryantgHELLO@y ahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> I'm doing some work for a company that has an auction site running in
> coldfusion. They're not real happy with it, and it needs a major[/color]
overhaul,[color=blue]
> so I'm looking at redoing it, and while I'm at it, might as well move to
> PHP (for a variety of reasons - not trying to reopen the PHP -vs- CFM[/color]
thing[color=blue]
> again :).
>
> Anyway, so I'm looking at this system, and there are no "scheduled tasks"
> (it's win2kas). How do you write a server app that needs to know when to
> make things happen with a cron job? Is there some other technique that I
> missed (long running processes with sleep() tend to be prone to error, and
> I'm not sure that either cfm or php support that anyway).
>
> Thanks,
> Greg[/color]

[Greg Bryant]

Re: background tasks without &quot;schedu led tasks&quot;

(that should have been "with*out* a cron job" in my first note)

I just had a brainwave this morning. I remembered one of the problems
the owner told me about was not sending emails at auction close. They
had assumed (and I followed along) that the cfm script was broken. bzzzt.
I'm betting it's never run.

Task Scheduler is running, no strange messages in the event logs, only
thing odd is FireDaemon service, but I think it's just used to load up
their FTP server.

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that's it. The auction
software they're using was bought several years ago, and they have no
docs for it, so everything's a guess.

Thanks,
Greg

"Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Weird. Did you check in the Control Panel? Make sure the Task
> Scheduler service is running too.
>
>
> Uzytkownik "Greg Bryant" <bryantgHELLO@y ahoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:Xns9449474 27D47DbryantgHE LLOyahoocom@199 .45.49.11...[color=green]
>>
>> Anyway, so I'm looking at this system, and there are no "scheduled
>> tasks" (it's win2kas). How do you write a server app that needs to
>> know when to make things happen with a cron job? Is there some other
>> technique that I missed (long running processes with sleep() tend to
>> be prone to error, and I'm not sure that either cfm or php support
>> that anyway).[/color][/color]

[Google Mike]

Re: background tasks without &quot;schedu led tasks&quot;

Everything you wanted to know about PHP and background tasks on *nix
or W2K, but were afraid to ask...

1) On W2K, you can get Scheduled Tasks if you install it from
Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup. Then, you have to start the Task
Scheduler service. This is a great way to make something load under an
ID upon login. I don't know what happens when you log out, though --
does it shut down? If it does, then you'll need to have a service.
There's a way to do that. See my next note.


2) On W2K, if you don't want scheduled tasks, but need a service that
remains running even when you log out, and can also be started and
stopped locally or remotely, then you need instsrv.exe and srvany.exe
from the W2K RK (or find it on all-the-web.com or google). The
instsrv.exe is a tool to stick srvany.exe in the registry as a
service. Then, you read srvany.wri (an MS Write file) to find out how
to edit the registry to load anything you want, including a .BAT,
..CMD, .COM, .EXE, .PHP, or virtually any extension where your OS will
automatically execute it. You can run this as any user you want,
including "LocalSyste m".

The procedure for the service is:

1. Come up with a service name with no spaces. I'll use MyService for
now.
2. Copy instsrv.exe and srvany.exe to the C:\WINNT\SYSTEM 32 directory.
3. instsrv MyService C:\WINNT\SYSTEM 32\srvany.exe
4. Regedit. Look for HKEY_LOCAL_MACH INE\Services\Cu rrent Control
Set\MyService folder.
5. Where you see Display Name property, set it to anything you want,
and with spaces if you desire. (This change won't be reflected until
you reboot, however.)
6. The rest you'll have to verify from srvany.wri -- going by memory
here:
a. Create a subfolder called Parameters.
b. Create a property (right pane of window) called Application.
c. Set the value of the Application property to the file you want to
launch, including any parameters you want.
7. Open Control Panel, Services, and find your service. Until you
reboot, it will have the old display name (like MyService). Set the
start mode (Automatic, Manual, etc.), Logon User, and other parameters
as you see fit.
8. Reboot and then if you have the service to launch automatically,
it'll be running and you'll see both srvany.exe and your executable
sitting in memory via Task Manager (start, run, taskmgr.exe). You'll
see the new display name in the Services Control Panel. You can start
and stop it like a regular service.

I have used this for various socket servers I've built in VB6, but you
could just as well launch a PHP script with a command like:

php -q mysocketserver. php

If your system is setup a certain way, you might be able to just
specify mysocketserver. php (without the php -q) to make it launch.
Depends on what you did in setting up the .PHP extension.


3) Of course, if you have *nix, then you need something like chron, or
you can build a daemon shell script (acting like a "service") under
/etc/init.d like this (RH9 example):

#!/bin/bash
#
# Startup script for SocketServer.PH P - phpsocketserver d
#
# chkconfig: - 85 15
# description: Socket Server is my custom PHP app.
# processname: phpsocketserver d

# Do not edit chkconfig: - 85 15 above

# Source function library.
.. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions

# Source function library.
if [ -f /etc/init.d/functions ] ; then
. /etc/init.d/functions
elif [ -f /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions ] ; then
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
else
exit 0
fi

# define vars
RETVAL=0

#
start() {
echo -n $"Starting Custom Socket Server: "
php -q /root/socketserver.ph p & >/dev/null
success "phpsocketserve rd startup"
echo
touch /var/lock/subsys/phpsocketserver d
return 0
}

stop() {
# you'll need to make phpsocketserver killer.php talk to the socket
server on
# a port to tell it to shut down, or you can use pstree, grep, cut,
and kill to
# find the process ID, parse just the ID, and kill the process.

echo -n $"Stopping Custom Socket Server: "
php -q /root/phpsocketserver dkiller.php & >/dev/null
success "phpsocketserve rd shutdown"
echo
rm -f /var/lock/subsys/phpsocketserver d
return 0
}

localstatus() {
if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/phpsocketserver d ]; then
echo "phpsocketserve rd started"
else
echo "phpsocketserve rd stopped"
fi
RETVAL=0
}

# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
start)
start
;;
stop)
stop
;;
status)
localstatus
;;
restart)
stop
start
;;
*)
echo $"Usage: phpsocketserver d {start|stop|res tart|status}"
exit 1
esac

exit $RETVAL
# once saved in /etc/init.d as phpsocketserver d, then chmod'd and
chown'd just
# like the other files there, you can start, stop, reset, and check
the status
# of this "service" from the Services Control Panel in RH9 Linux.