PHP6 - Comments?

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6
<http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/212>
<http://www.planet-php.net/>. Do c.l.php readers have any comments or
suggestions?

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<?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ?>
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com

[Aidan]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124426576 .201981.208200@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6
> <http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/212>
> <http://www.planet-php.net/>. Do c.l.php readers have any comments or
> suggestions?[/color]

PHP6? WTF?

People have barely begun moving to PHP5... I mean, the latest stable version
is 5.0.4... four point releases since the major verion. I can't imagine
that there a good reason to start getting worked up about PHP6... I can't
even find a single reference to it on php.net.

Is this a troll, or FUD?

[Dimitry Rybkin]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

TROLL.

Aidan wrote:[color=blue]
> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1124426576 .201981.208200@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
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>>Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6
>><http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/212>
>><http://www.planet-php.net/>. Do c.l.php readers have any comments or
>>suggestions ?[/color]
>
>
> PHP6? WTF?
>
> People have barely begun moving to PHP5... I mean, the latest stable version
> is 5.0.4... four point releases since the major verion. I can't imagine
> that there a good reason to start getting worked up about PHP6... I can't
> even find a single reference to it on php.net.
>
> Is this a troll, or FUD?
>
>[/color]

[Erwin Moller]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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> Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6
> <http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/212>
> <http://www.planet-php.net/>. Do c.l.php readers have any comments or
> suggestions?
>
> --
> <?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ?>
> Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com[/color]

Hi,

Thanks but that is old news.
We are releasing PHP 9.3 beta right now!

Get it here:

http://www.disneyland.com

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Peter van Schie]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

Aidan wrote:
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> People have barely begun moving to PHP5... I mean, the latest stable version
> is 5.0.4... four point releases since the major verion. I can't imagine
> that there a good reason to start getting worked up about PHP6... I can't
> even find a single reference to it on php.net.
>
> Is this a troll, or FUD?
>
>[/color]

Even though I agree that it's a little bit early to discuss PHP 6 when
PHP 5 is still wearing diapers, I don't think it's a troll.
If you do a Google search on "PHP 6" you'll find several references to
discussions about it.

Peter.
--

http://www.phpforums.nl

[Chung Leong]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

I don't like the direction PHP is going. It seems to focus has shifted
from making a useful tool for building web sites to making a better
language. The two goals are not mutually exclusive, of course, but nor
do they completely overlap. As the cliche goes, people want
solutions--not technology. PHP seems to be going down the path of ASP,
where a simple useful tool become a hideous monster.

[Don Freeman]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?


"Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124466505 .852391.53030@z 14g2000cwz.goog legroups.com...[color=blue]
>I don't like the direction PHP is going. It seems to focus has shifted
> from making a useful tool for building web sites to making a better
> language. The two goals are not mutually exclusive, of course, but nor
> do they completely overlap. As the cliche goes, people want
> solutions--not technology. PHP seems to be going down the path of ASP,
> where a simple useful tool become a hideous monster.
>[/color]
Agreed, the last thing I need is another language written by academics for
academics. When I discovered PHP, after struggling with Java for so long, I
was enamored with the joining of simplicity and functionality that PHP gave
me. If I want OOP I'll write a Java program, I don't need it in PHP also.

-Don

[Junx]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

As far as I can tell, PHP 6 is basically just the "trunk" for
development right now. If they used the usual x.y.z naming convention,
it'd probably be PHP 5.3.x or something.

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

Chung Leong wrote:[color=blue]
> I don't like the direction PHP is going. It seems to focus has shifted
> from making a useful tool for building web sites to making a better
> language. The two goals are not mutually exclusive, of course, but nor
> do they completely overlap. As the cliche goes, people want
> solutions--not technology. PHP seems to be going down the path of ASP,
> where a simple useful tool become a hideous monster.[/color]

I don't understand what are you referring. But, I don't see it's
getting monster anyway; many extensions have been moved to PECL. IMHO,
it is still to be tuned--even if you're solution centric. Say for
example, the function aliases are more redundant. I'm also for removal
of magic quotes and register globals.

[p.s. Will be away for next couple of days. And may not be able to
follow-up]

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Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

[OT] Re: PHP6 - Comments?


Erwin Moller wrote:[color=blue]
> R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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> > Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6[/color][/color]
<snip>[color=blue]
> Thanks but that is old news.
> We are releasing PHP 9.3 beta right now![/color]

You're humor is Greek and geek for me to grab:(

[p.s. Will be away for next couple of days. And may not be able to
follow-up]

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[Lisa Pearlson]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

Yes, I'm sure eventually there willbe PHP7, 8, 9 and 10 too.
The problem with wanting to move to the latest version, is that the latest
version is always the version after which the product gets discontinued :)

Not very attractive foresight. I'll stick to PHP 1.0
It's small footprint is ideal for "hello world" apps.. and that's all I ever
want to develop in any programming language hehe.



"R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@r ediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124426576 .201981.208200@ g44g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6
> <http://phplens.com/phpeverywhere/?q=node/view/212>
> <http://www.planet-php.net/>. Do c.l.php readers have any comments or
> suggestions?
>
> --
> <?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ?>
> Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com
>[/color]

[NC]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

Chung Leong wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I don't like the direction PHP is going.[/color]

Neither do I. PHP used to be a tidy language for structured
programming where everything centered on strings. Then
someone decided it has to have OOP (although no one ever
bothered to explain why). In retrospect, I'd much rather
have a set of good quantitative libraries and a mechanism
for writing PHP extensions in PHP...
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> It seems to focus has shifted from making a useful tool
> for building web sites to making a better language.[/color]

I'd say, PHP is getting "modern" (translation: more
fashionable), not necesarily better...
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> PHP seems to be going down the path of ASP, where a simple
> useful tool become a hideous monster.[/color]

Fortunately, we are not there yet. OOP can still be avoided
if necessary. Reading a remote file still can be done in a
single file_get_conten ts(), as opposed to spawning a
HttpWebRequest/WebResponse pair in VB.NET. Most importantly,
string is still not an object.

Cheers,
NC

[Chung Leong]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

I just think it's a good approach when you aim is improving the
language as opposed to increasing its usefulness. There is a subtle
difference. Removing function aliases, for example, improves the
language's consistency but doesn't make it more useful. I would say the
same thing about variable visibility and exception as well.

[Erwin Moller]

Re: [OT] Re: PHP6 - Comments?

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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>
> Erwin Moller wrote:[color=green]
>> R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
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>> > Nowadays in PHP world, the "noise" is about upcoming PHP6[/color][/color]
> <snip>[color=green]
>> Thanks but that is old news.
>> We are releasing PHP 9.3 beta right now![/color]
>
> You're humor is Greek and geek for me to grab:(
>
> [p.s. Will be away for next couple of days. And may not be able to
> follow-up][/color]

Hehe, OK.
I was just being silly and wasting bandwidth.
I'll try to restrain myself in future, and first sit on my hands and wonder
for 1 minute if anybody actually want to read my comment before submitting.
:P

So consider my response as noise. ;-)

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Erwin Moller]

Re: PHP6 - Comments?

Chung Leong wrote:
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> I just think it's a good approach when you aim is improving the
> language as opposed to increasing its usefulness. There is a subtle
> difference. Removing function aliases, for example, improves the
> language's consistency but doesn't make it more useful. I would say the
> same thing about variable visibility and exception as well.[/color]

Yes Chung, I 100% agree.
Who excactly is bothered by the fact that print and echo do the same thing?
Who? really?

I think the succes of PHP was caused excactly by its simplicity.
I come from Java (J2EE), and needed some time to get used to the 'loose
style' of PHP, but now I love it.
I hope the decisionmakers of PHP will focus on keeping it a simple and
easy-to-learn language.
An extensionmechan ism is enough to cover a lot of 'complex requests' for
additional functionality (PECL/PEAR).
Please leave PHP roughly as it is, and just make nice classes.
The day PHP forces me to strongtype my variables, I might just switch back
to Java. :-/

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Erwin Moller