php and Googlebot

[Daniel Tryba]

Re: php and Googlebot

ECRIA Public Mail Buffer <ngsremovemail@ ecria.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> There's a difference between being LISTED and being RANKED -[/color]

Goal post shifting detected! From indexing to ranking.
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> http://www.amsterdamchinafestival.nl/ does not show up in Google results for
> "Amsterdam china festival" - it's own title![/color]

In the results I get, it's at apathetic 10th place (most propably due to
only having 2 incoming links).
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> How does Google know it's a news/blog site? Beats me - ask them. They
> know. Probably something to do with the Google Groups technology.
>
> I think that will have to be my final word... this discussion is not
> going anywhere.[/color]

I have given you the requested example of the "dynamic
non-forum/news/blog URL that appears in web search results". Now please
enlighten us with knowledge of "the Design/SEO business for years"...

[Tony]

Re: php and Googlebot

ECRIA Public Mail Buffer wrote:[color=blue]
> Google for one generally only indexes dynamic URLs for news sites and
> forums.[/color]

And how does Google tell if a URL is a news site or a forum?
[color=blue]
>The reason is simple: Dynamic content changes unpredictably
> and cannot be indexed reliably without additional credible
> information about the content.[/color]

Don't news sites & forums change unpredictably?
I've had more problems with Google being out-of-date on forums and news
sites than on other dynamic sites.
[color=blue]
> This is a discussion-based newsgroup, so disagree if you must. Feel
> free to give us an example of your dynamic non-forum/news/blog URL
> that appears in web search results.[/color]

http://www.mrbreakfast.com/superdisplay.asp?recipeid=1325

cinnamon roll pull apart, #22

http://www.911cheferic.com/main/drecipe.asp?Recipe_Name=Grand%20Marnier%20souffle&recipe=532

grand marnier souffle, #10

http://www.mrbreakfast.com/superdisplay.asp?recipeid=267

grand marnier souffle, #2

I'd say #10 and #2 is pretty good indexing, wouldn't you?
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> Doing so is a much better way to
> make your point than anonymously posting "You don't know what you're
> talking about".[/color]

True. It's generally better to prove your point, rather than making
unfounded assertions, right?
[color=blue]
> We have been in the Design/SEO business for years, and we know
> exactly what we are talking about.[/color]

:)

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[Tony]

Re: php and Googlebot

Daniel Tryba wrote:[color=blue]
> ECRIA Public Mail Buffer <ngsremovemail@ ecria.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> There's a difference between being LISTED and being RANKED -[/color]
>
> Goal post shifting detected! From indexing to ranking.[/color]

OK, so we're saying that Google doesn't RANK dynamic URL's, now.

Interesting, since http://www.mrbreakfast.com/superdisp...p?recipeid=267
shows up as #2 under a search for "grand marnier souffle"

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>> How does Google know it's a news/blog site? Beats me - ask them. They
>> know. Probably something to do with the Google Groups technology.
>>
>> I think that will have to be my final word... this discussion is not
>> going anywhere.[/color]
>
> I have given you the requested example of the "dynamic
> non-forum/news/blog URL that appears in web search results". Now
> please enlighten us with knowledge of "the Design/SEO business for
> years"...[/color]

As I said before:

:)

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Web Right! Development

[Jim Hoagland]

Re: php and Googlebot

http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html

FAQ: "My webpages have never been included in the Google index."

Google: "Your pages are dynamically generated. We're able to index
dynamically generated pages. However, because our web crawler could
overwhelm and crash sites that serve dynamic content, we limit the number of
dynamic pages we index. In addition, our crawlers may suspect that a URL
with many dynamic parameters might be the same page as another URL with
different parameters. For that reason, we recommend using fewer parameters
if possible. Typically, URLs with 1-2 parameters are more easily crawlable
than those with many parameters."

ECRIA: "Bots don't like dynamic URLs."

I think you're right - dynamic sites are indexed, but ecria does have a
point (ducking and covering)...

[chris.raper@hartslock.org.uk]

Re: php and Googlebot

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:40:20 -0400, "ECRIA Public Mail Buffer"
<ngsremovemail@ ecria.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>How does Google know it's a news/blog site? Beats me - ask them. They know.
>Probably something to do with the Google Groups technology.[/color]

I heard that certain words (like 'blog' or 'forum') when detected are
like death to your site - a bot will either drop the links or the
search engine just won't rank you very highly.

Chris

[John Dunlop]

Re: php and Googlebot

ECRIA Public Mail Buffer wrote:
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> We have been in the Design/SEO business for years,[/color]

The SEO business, eh? That's nice to know.
[color=blue]
> and we know exactly what we are talking about.[/color]

I'm glad somebody does, cos I haven't the foggiest!

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Jock

[John Dunlop]

Re: php and Googlebot

Somebody wrote:
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> I heard that certain words (like 'blog' or 'forum') when detected are
> like death to your site - a bot will either drop the links or the
> search engine just won't rank you very highly.[/color]

Do you believe that?

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Jock

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: php and Googlebot

ECRIA Public Mail Buffer wrote:[color=blue]
> Google for one generally only indexes dynamic URLs for news sites and
> forums. The reason is simple: Dynamic content changes unpredictably and
> cannot be indexed reliably without additional credible information about the
> content.
>
> This is a discussion-based newsgroup, so disagree if you must. Feel free to
> give us an example of your dynamic non-forum/news/blog URL that appears in
> web search results. Doing so is a much better way to make your point than
> anonymously posting "You don't know what you're talking about".
>
> We have been in the Design/SEO business for years, and we know exactly what
> we are talking about.
>
> ECRIA
> http://www.ecria.com
>
>[/color]

http://www.google.com/search?hs=ec8&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=jds+site%3Awww.icca.org&btnG=Search

For one. Completely dynamically generated. Not a news site or a forum. Many
of my sites have dynamic pages. And all get spidered eventually. Just not
necessarily all at once.

I can come up with plenty more because even though you've "been in the business
for several years" your statement is hogwash. Even google indicates they spider
dynamic pages:

http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/2.html

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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: php and Googlebot

chris.raper@har tslock.org.uk wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:40:20 -0400, "ECRIA Public Mail Buffer"
> <ngsremovemail@ ecria.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>How does Google know it's a news/blog site? Beats me - ask them. They know.
>>Probably something to do with the Google Groups technology.[/color]
>
>
> I heard that certain words (like 'blog' or 'forum') when detected are
> like death to your site - a bot will either drop the links or the
> search engine just won't rank you very highly.
>
> Chris[/color]

Don't believe everything you hear - especially on the internet.

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[somaboy mx]

Re: php and Googlebot

"ECRIA Public Mail Buffer" <ngsremovemail@ ecria.com> wrote ...
[color=blue]
> This is a discussion-based newsgroup, so disagree if you must. Feel free
> to give us an example of your dynamic non-forum/news/blog URL that appears
> in web search results. Doing so is a much better way to make your point
> than anonymously posting "You don't know what you're talking about".[/color]


Here's a list of dynamic url's from a site I created a while back, all
indexed:

http://www.google.be/search?q=allinurl:krikri++site:www.krikri.be+aID

[color=blue]
> We have been in the Design/SEO business for years, and we know exactly
> what we are talking about.[/color]

Apparently you need to re-evaluate your assumptions...

..s