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  • mACKnIFE

    Conceptual modeling like in the book

    Hi list!

    I've just finished reading the nice book: "Data Modeling and
    Relational Database Design Volume 1 - Student Guide", by Jan
    Speelpenning, Patrice Daux and Jeff Gallus, published by Oracle
    University. I really like the way they do their drawings for their
    conceptual models (see below for the features of Oracle's book's
    conceptual models). In fact, it's a notation that could apply to any
    RDBMS and that'S what I'd like to do. But I searched, and searched,
    and searched but found no software doing exactly it. I found many
    variations of it but not the plain and simple one we can find in that
    book.

    Is there anybody of you that found drawing softwares actually able to
    to do this specific kind of notation? I've looked at Visio, SmartDraw,
    DBDesigner, Visible Analyst, ERWin, Database Design Studio (DDS),
    dbViz, XCase with no success. None of 'em seems to have a function for
    that specific purpose.

    Any help would be greatly apreciated.

    Thank you!!

    mACHnIFE

    Nice features of the models in the book:
    Crowsfoot (or tripod) illustrating the many end of a relationship;
    -The part of a relashionship that is mandatory drawn as a solid line;
    -The part that is optional drawn as a dotted line;
    -The verb (ie: "has/held by", "split into/part of", etc) on the each
    of the relationships;
    -Diamond across a relationship line to represent nontransferabil ity;
    -Subtype, represented as an entity within the boundary of another
    entity;
    -Unique identifier, represented as # in front of an attribute or as a
    bar across a relationship line;
    -Arcs across two or more relationship lines indicating that any
    instance of an entity can have only one valid relationship of the
    relationships in the arc at any one time.
    -Attributes: * for Mandatory; o for optional;(# for unique identifyer)
  • Hans Forbrich

    #2
    Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book

    mACKnIFE wrote:
    >
    Hi list!
    >
    I've just finished reading the nice book: "Data Modeling and
    Relational Database Design Volume 1 - Student Guide", by Jan
    Speelpenning, Patrice Daux and Jeff Gallus, published by Oracle
    University. I really like the way they do their drawings for their
    conceptual models (see below for the features of Oracle's book's
    conceptual models). In fact, it's a notation that could apply to any
    RDBMS and that'S what I'd like to do. But I searched, and searched,
    and searched but found no software doing exactly it. I found many
    variations of it but not the plain and simple one we can find in that
    book.
    >
    Is there anybody of you that found drawing softwares actually able to
    to do this specific kind of notation? I've looked at Visio, SmartDraw,
    DBDesigner, Visible Analyst, ERWin, Database Design Studio (DDS),
    dbViz, XCase with no success. None of 'em seems to have a function for
    that specific purpose.
    >
    Any help would be greatly apreciated.
    >
    Thank you!!
    >
    mACHnIFE
    >
    Nice features of the models in the book:
    Crowsfoot (or tripod) illustrating the many end of a relationship;
    -The part of a relashionship that is mandatory drawn as a solid line;
    -The part that is optional drawn as a dotted line;
    -The verb (ie: "has/held by", "split into/part of", etc) on the each
    of the relationships;
    -Diamond across a relationship line to represent nontransferabil ity;
    -Subtype, represented as an entity within the boundary of another
    entity;
    -Unique identifier, represented as # in front of an attribute or as a
    bar across a relationship line;
    -Arcs across two or more relationship lines indicating that any
    instance of an entity can have only one valid relationship of the
    relationships in the arc at any one time.
    -Attributes: * for Mandatory; o for optional;(# for unique identifyer)


    Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the
    Developer Suite?

    This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this
    model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer
    has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!

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    • Frank

      #3
      Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book

      Hans Forbrich wrote:
      Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the
      Developer Suite?
      >
      This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this
      model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer
      has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!
      Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the
      Designer class as well, iirc
      And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle
      tools, doens't it?
      --
      Regards, Frank van Bortel

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      • mACKnIFE

        #4
        Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book

        Frank <fbortel@nescap e.netwrote in message news:<bp22kh$kg 4$1@news2.tilbu 1.nb.home.nl>.. .
        Hans Forbrich wrote:
        >
        Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the
        Developer Suite?

        This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this
        model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer
        has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!
        Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the
        Designer class as well, iirc
        And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle
        tools, doens't it?
        Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"
        Hehe!

        I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job
        done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global
        picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.

        Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good
        experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other
        similar tools?

        Thanks!!

        mACHnIFE

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        • Joel Garry

          #5
          Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book

          machnife@hotmai l.com (mACKnIFE) wrote in message news:<ba1dcf8a. 0311170452.581f 006f@posting.go ogle.com>...
          Frank <fbortel@nescap e.netwrote in message news:<bp22kh$kg 4$1@news2.tilbu 1.nb.home.nl>.. .
          Hans Forbrich wrote:
          Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the
          Developer Suite?
          >
          This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this
          model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer
          has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!
          Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the
          Designer class as well, iirc
          And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle
          tools, doens't it?
          >
          Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"
          Hehe!
          >
          I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job
          done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global
          picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.
          >
          Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good
          experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other
          similar tools?
          >
          Thanks!!
          >
          mACHnIFE
          Last time for me was a few years ago. It had a couple of bugs (such
          as "forgetting " the ocassional bit of DDL or its semi-colon), and the
          learning curve was steep for some of the people using it, but it was
          good enough.

          jg
          --
          @home.com is bogus.

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          • Frank

            #6
            Re: Conceptual modeling like in the book

            jackknife wrote:
            Frank <fbortel@nescap e.netwrote in message news:<bp22kh$kg 4$1@news2.tilbu 1.nb.home.nl>.. .
            >
            >>Hans Forbrich wrote:
            >>
            >>
            >>>Have you checked Oracle's CASE tool (Designer) which is part of the
            >>>Developer Suite?
            >>>
            >>>This stuff sounds familiar. If I understood your description, this
            >>>model 'style' has been around since the mid '80s. If so, Oracle Designer
            >>>has been doing this since 1988 or earlier!
            >>
            >>Must be - Jan is (was?) an instructor with Oracle Nederland; doing the
            >>Designer class as well, iirc
            >>And it makes sense that authors, writing for Oracle Press use Oracle
            >>tools, doens't it?
            >
            >
            Yeah, ok guys! I understand what you're trying to tell me: "Duh!"
            Hehe!
            >
            I was just kind of hoping that there were other tools to get the job
            done. I always like to try two or three softwares to get a global
            picture of what they can do before choosing THE one I'll use.
            >
            Have you guys tried Oracle's Designer? If yes, did you have a good
            experience with it? And if not, do you have any suggestions on other
            similar tools?
            >
            Thanks!!
            >
            mACHnIFE
            I used to work for Oracle in Designer Support - so I'm hardly unbiased.
            Steep learning curve indeed, as it tries to do it all.
            Have been working with TI's IEF in the early 90's, which used a similar
            way of drawing ERD's. IEF was an upper/lower case tool to, geared
            towards mainframes.

            The main problem with Designer has always been the drive to add new
            functionality, instead of getting the bugs out - which I find generally
            true for this industry.
            --
            Regards, Frank van Bortel

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