Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

[Peter]

Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.

I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.


Peter

[Larry]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Hmmm. So ... no details. No version/release levels ... no platform
information. No details on what you were trying to do. No details on the
application. No details on the crash. No details on what the corrective
fix was. You're obviously more experienced with Oracle. And you're ready
to pass judgement on DB2 already?

Larry

Peter wrote:

Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.
>
I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.
>
Peter

[Mark A]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

"Peter" <peter_and_john 2003@yahoo.comw rote in message
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Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.
>
I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.
>
>
Peter

Maybe it's a problem with the DBA's.

[Simon Verona]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

sorry, this is comp.databases. PICK???????????

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Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.

I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.


Peter

>
Maybe it's a problem with the DBA's.
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[Mark Townsend]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Larry wrote:

And you're ready to pass judgement on DB2 already?

Surprised it took that long ? :-P

[efiryago@profitlogic.com]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

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sorry, this is comp.databases. PICK???????????
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Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.
>
I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.
>
>
Peter

Maybe it's a problem with the DBA's.

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In the past, I had experienced DB2 V7.2 on Linux RH7.2 instance
crashing just from select too. IBM tech support wasn't able to fix
that so I had to find a workaround on my own at the app level. Hope
that V8.1 is more stable :-))

[Mark A]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

In the past, I had experienced DB2 V7.2 on Linux RH7.2 instance

crashing just from select too. IBM tech support wasn't able to fix
that so I had to find a workaround on my own at the app level. Hope
that V8.1 is more stable :-))

DB2 version 8.1 works quite well on RH Linux 7.2 or 8. I don't for one
second believe your version of what happened.

[Larry]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Let's put it this way ... I'd like to hear the entire story. The
application, the version/release levels, the PMR number, the error
message, the select statement, full details on the hardware and software
environment, the os levels, all patch levels, etc.

Larry

Mark A wrote:

In the past, I had experienced DB2 V7.2 on Linux RH7.2 instance
crashing just from select too. IBM tech support wasn't able to fix
that so I had to find a workaround on my own at the app level. Hope
that V8.1 is more stable :-))

>
DB2 version 8.1 works quite well on RH Linux 7.2 or 8. I don't for one
second believe your version of what happened.

[smartdba@nospam.net]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

But not as quickly as a certain large HR software company passed
judgement on a certain RDBMS vendor :-)

Mark Townsend wrote:

Larry wrote:
>

And you're ready to pass judgement on DB2 already?

>
Surprised it took that long ? :-P

[Noons]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

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Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.

I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.


Peter

>
Maybe it's a problem with the DBA's.

x-post trimmed in the interests of sanity...


I thought DB2 didn't need DBAs, that was just another
"expensive option" needed only for Oracle?
Tsk,tsk, there goes the TCO crap...

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[Peter]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Friends!

I am not anti DB2. It is a good
database on Main Frames system.

System crash, if it has not happened on your
production server running DB2 so far, please
wait for 6-8 months.


Peter



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Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.
>
I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.
>
>
Peter

Maybe it's a problem with the DBA's.

>
x-post trimmed in the interests of sanity...
>
>
I thought DB2 didn't need DBAs, that was just another
"expensive option" needed only for Oracle?
Tsk,tsk, there goes the TCO crap...
>
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wizofoz2k@yahoo .com.au.nospam

[Mark A]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Friends!

>
I am not anti DB2. It is a good
database on Main Frames system.
>
System crash, if it has not happened on your
production server running DB2 so far, please
wait for 6-8 months.
>
>
Peter
>

DB2 is good on Unix, Linux, and Windows also. DBA's don't like DB2 because
it takes fewer of them to operate and they think there are more Oracle jobs
in the marketplace. All systems have problems occasionally, just ask Ebay
about their outages caused by Oracle crashes and hangs.

If you personally had problems that could not be resolved with IBM support,
then maybe it was unique to your situation and use of the product.

[Database Guy]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Larry <lsedels@us.ibm .comwrote in message news:<3F60D26D. C8BCDE15@us.ibm .com>...

Hmmm. So ... no details. No version/release levels ... no platform
information. No details on what you were trying to do. No details on the
application. No details on the crash. No details on what the corrective
fix was. You're obviously more experienced with Oracle. And you're ready
to pass judgement on DB2 already?
>
Larry
>
Peter wrote:
>

Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.

I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.

Peter

Troll, or part of a new Oracle marketing ploy?


DG

[Daniel Morgan]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Mark A wrote:

>>Friends!
>>
>>I am not anti DB2. It is a good
>>database on Main Frames system.
>>
>>System crash, if it has not happened on your
>>production server running DB2 so far, please
>>wait for 6-8 months.
>>
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>

>DB2 is good on Unix, Linux, and Windows also. DBA's don't like DB2 because
>it takes fewer of them to operate and they think there are more Oracle jobs
>in the marketplace. All systems have problems occasionally, just ask Ebay
>about their outages caused by Oracle crashes and hangs.
>
>If you personally had problems that could not be resolved with IBM support,
>then maybe it was unique to your situation and use of the product.
>
>
>

Just ask anybody about their crashes. What nonsense. Most systems crash
for the same reason most cars crash ... bad drivers.

But I'd stay away from promoting DB2 on Windows. I can't think of much
worse than a database with almost no built-in security on an operating
system with ... well ... almost no built-in security. Oracle and
Informix are far better choices if security is a concern.

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[Daniel Morgan]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Mark A wrote:

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>DB2 is good on Unix, Linux, and Windows also. DBA's don't like DB2 because
>it takes fewer of them to operate and they think there are more Oracle jobs
>in the marketplace.
>
><snipped>
>
>

Couldn't possibly be the lack of security without Tivoli or other
similar products?
Couldn't possibly be the lack of training classes?
Couldn't possibly be the lack of books?
Couldn't possibly be the fact that you need a C compiler on a production
box?
Couldn't possibly be the lack of third-party tools and applications?
Couldn't possibly be ....

And this from someone with 10+ years of DB2.

In short ... there are plenty of reasons why someone might not like DB2.
Which does not mean I am one of them. But rather to try to pin it on
DBAs is a bit of a farse. Oracle, itself, is currently redesigning the
DBA's roles and responsibilitie s to be less RDBMS management and more
and more integration with application servers and other components. The
idea that Oracle is hard to manage is just a repetition of mythology: It
is no longer true. Just as many things about DB2 that were true five
years ago are no longer true.

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