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  • Gabriel

    Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

    Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
    "Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
    visit http://groups.google.com/group/knutDN ,we hope you to enjoy us!

    Regrads,
    Team Knut.
  • Xu, Qian

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    Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

    Gabriel wrote:
    Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
    "Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
    visit http://groups.google.com/group/knutDN ,we hope you to enjoy us!
    >
    Regrads,
    Team Knut.
    great idea ^^)

    But, first could you please explain what are weakness of those existing
    JSLibraries (JQuery, Prototype, etc.)?

    Second would you intend to create a back-end library or a front-end library?



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    Xu, Qian (stanleyxu)

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    • Gregor Kofler

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      Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

      Xu, Qian meinte:
      Gabriel wrote:
      >Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
      >"Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
      >visit http://groups.google.com/group/knutDN ,we hope you to enjoy us!
      >>
      >Regrads,
      >Team Knut.
      >
      great idea ^^)
      Definitely. Since there are so few JS libraries out there...
      But, first could you please explain what are weakness of those existing
      JSLibraries (JQuery, Prototype, etc.)?
      Never read this newsgroup before, right?

      Gregor


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      • Xu, Qian

        #4
        Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

        Gregor Kofler wrote:
        Definitely. Since there are so few JS libraries out there...
        As you described "there are so few /well developed/ libraries out
        there...". My question is that:
        (a) shall we create a new library/framework with a brand new concept or
        (b) just mash up all good features from existing libraries without
        shortcomings?


        Gregor Kofler wrote:
        Xu, Qian meinte:
        >But, first could you please explain what are weakness of those
        >existing JSLibraries (JQuery, Prototype, etc.)?
        >
        Never read this newsgroup before, right?
        >
        Yes, I just come from Mars. I know nothing about the weakness of those
        existing libraries. So could you please figure out something really
        valuable, if possible?



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        Xu, Qian (stanleyxu)

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        • Joost Diepenmaat

          #5
          Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

          Gabriel <lenatis@gmail. comwrites:
          Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
          "Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
          visit http://groups.google.com/group/knutDN ,we hope you to enjoy us!
          >
          Regrads,
          Team Knut.
          Hello Team Knut.

          What is your jslibrary going to do? There isn't exactly much more detail
          on that site as there is in your message here.

          Do you already have some code ready or are you trying to get a whole
          bunch of coders together and *then* make them agree on what they want to
          do?

          --
          Joost Diepenmaat | blog: http://joost.zeekat.nl/ | work: http://zeekat.nl/

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          • Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn

            #6
            Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

            Xu, Qian <no_reply@micro soft.comwrote:
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            The From header you provided is invalid, there is no such mailbox. That
            domain does not belong to you; you are not authorized to use it without
            explicit permission from its owner (Microsoft Corporation).

            And I think it is also particularly in violation with the User Policy of
            your service provider, the computing center of Ilmenau Technical University,
            my previous alma mater. You are well-advised to change it.


            PointedEars

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            • Xu, Qian

              #7
              Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

              Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
              Xu, Qian <no_reply@micro soft.comwrote:
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
              The From header you provided is invalid, there is no such mailbox. That
              domain does not belong to you; you are not authorized to use it without
              explicit permission from its owner (Microsoft Corporation).
              >
              And I think it is also particularly in violation with the User Policy of
              your service provider, the computing center of Ilmenau Technical University,
              my previous alma mater. You are well-advised to change it.
              >
              >
              PointedEars
              thanks for your friendly remind (again)

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              Best regards
              Xu, Qian (stanleyxu)

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              • dhtml

                #8
                Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

                On Mar 30, 10:29 pm, Gabriel <lena...@gmail. comwrote:
                Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
                "Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
                visithttp://groups.google.c om/group/knutDN,we hope you to enjoy us!
                >
                I've made one.



                Garrett
                Regrads,
                Team Knut.

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                • RobG

                  #9
                  Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

                  On Mar 31, 3:29 pm, Gabriel <lena...@gmail. comwrote:
                  Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
                  "Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
                  visithttp://groups.google.c om/group/knutDN,we hope you to enjoy us!
                  Do a search on this group for "code worth recommending".

                  <URL:
                  http://groups.google.com.au/group/co...rch+this+group
                  >

                  --
                  Rob

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                  • Jeff North

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                    Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

                    On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:53:36 +0200, in comp.lang.javas cript Gregor
                    Kofler <usenet@gregork ofler.at>
                    <zN0Ij.7$137.27 @nntpserver.swi p.netwrote:
                    >| Xu, Qian meinte:
                    >| Gabriel wrote:
                    >| >Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??The project
                    >| >"Knut" has risen up,intend to building a new JSLibrary,more detail
                    >| >visit http://groups.google.com/group/knutDN ,we hope you to enjoy us!
                    >| >>
                    >| >Regrads,
                    >| >Team Knut.
                    >| >
                    >| great idea ^^)
                    >|
                    >| Definitely. Since there are so few JS libraries out there...
                    >|
                    >| But, first could you please explain what are weakness of those existing
                    >| JSLibraries (JQuery, Prototype, etc.)?
                    >|
                    >| Never read this newsgroup before, right?
                    It's always useful to have other resources :-)



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                    • beegee

                      #11
                      Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

                      On Apr 1, 5:34 am, Jeff North <jnort...@yahoo .com.auwrote:
                      It's always useful to have other resources :-)http://www.scribd.com/doc/416891/Jav...brary-Overview
                      You know, I hate to add fuel to this old fire but this link is
                      incredibly specious. For one, it's a powerpoint comparing js
                      libraries by the author of one of the libraries! Danger, danger! Then
                      he goes on to make an entire presentation of really nothing more than
                      subjective claims (even the usage graphs are suspect).

                      I won't go into details too much but the claim that really got my goat
                      was: YUI lacks support for DOM querying and DOM manipulation. Having
                      just had to fix someone else's DOM manipulation through jQuery I can
                      state absolutely that what jQuery and prototype support is language
                      obfuscation. It has been an unbelievably nasty experience and I can't
                      wait to get back to YUI, it's readable libary code and the readable
                      code I and others create with it.

                      These libs seem, for the most part, intellectual scams and I find the
                      biggest supporters of them aren't developers, but managers. I have
                      slowly come to the conclusion that as cranky as the folks around this
                      group are, they are correct about third party libraries. You cannot
                      expect to have well-written, safe libraries in a typeless, dynamic,
                      and namespace-less language unless they are extremely transparent like
                      YUI. Even then, issues like download and render speed crop up.
                      Write it yourself!

                      Bob

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                      • dhtml

                        #12
                        Re: Hi anybody intested in developing JSLibrary by yourslef??

                        On Apr 1, 6:46 am, beegee <bgul...@gmail. comwrote:
                        On Apr 1, 5:34 am, Jeff North <jnort...@yahoo .com.auwrote:
                        >
                        These libs seem, for the most part, intellectual scams and I find the
                        biggest supporters of them aren't developers, but managers.  I have
                        slowly come to the conclusion that as cranky as the folks around this
                        group are, they are correct about third party libraries.  You cannot
                        expect to have well-written, safe libraries in a typeless, dynamic,
                        and namespace-less language unless they are extremely transparent like
                        YUI.  Even then, issues like download and render speed crop up.
                        Write it yourself!
                        >
                        Transparency - good point. The library should be transparent. Cohesive
                        objects. Methods that follow their signature. The syntax should be
                        transparent, too. I never liked libraries that changed the way I write
                        JavaScript. I use the library -- not the other way around!

                        Simple methods that have fewer code paths are easier to test, too.

                        Bob

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