Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon

[Guy Macon]

cwdjrxyz wrote:

>
>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.co m/wrote:

>In my personal opinion, not only should you use html 4.01 strict,
>but you should be very skeptical about the xhtml 1.0 --xhtml 1.1
>path. I myself started down that path (my webpage is xhtml 1.0)
>but on my next major revision I intend to start on a different
>path; html 4.01 strict --html 5.

>The problem with perhaps over 99% of all flavors of xhtml pages is
>that , even if the code valadates completely, the author then serves
>the page as html. In that case all of the special xhtml code is just
>useless, and one would better write the page as html 4.01 strict

>When you set your server to serve any flavor of xhtml using the proper
>mime type application/xhtml+xml the page is parsed as xml because the
>xml part of xhtml is very strict.

>When you serve xhtml correctly, no IE browser up to and
>including IE7 can view the page. It will be interesting to see if IE8
>on the final release can support application/xhtml+xml.
>
>You can serve a page as true xhtml, even 1.1, on most modern browsers
>other than IE. However, if you want IE browsers to view the page you
>have to do some tricks to get something to IE that it can understand.

HTML 5 has solved the above probem. See the following web page:

HTML 5, one vocabulary, two serializations

http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/html5-is-html-and-xml.html

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[Jukka K. Korpela]

Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon

Scripsit Guy Macon:

HTML 5 has solved the above probem.

Last time I checked, HTML 5 was going strong in creating problems and
had not solved any.

Besides, it was an incomplete sketch of a proposed draft. It is
generally regarded as inappropriate to cite such material except as
"work in progress".

Do you mean the world suddenly changed when I was in the countryside for
a short time, and without even giving me a due notice? I'd be shocked.

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[Guy Macon]

Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon




Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

>
>Scripsit Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.co m/:
>

>HTML 5 has solved the above probem.

>
>Last time I checked, HTML 5 was going strong in creating
>problems and had not solved any.

Tim Berners-Lee seems to like it, as do the authors of the
Opera web browser...

>Besides, it was an incomplete sketch of a proposed draft. It is
>generally regarded as inappropriate to cite such material except as
>"work in progress".
>
>Do you mean the world suddenly changed when I was in the countryside for
>a short time, and without even giving me a due notice? I'd be shocked.

Point well taken. Let me rephrase that:

The incomplete sketch of a proposed draft that is commonly
called "HTML 5" appears to have solved the HTML text/html
/ XHTML application/xhtml+xml problem by having one
vocabulary with two serializations. See
[ http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/html5-is-html-and-xml.html ]
for more info.



References:

HTML 5 Draft Recommendation

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/

New elements in HTML 5

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-html5/

HTML 5 differences from HTML 4

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/

W3C Publishes HTML 5 Draft, Future of Web Content:
Web Community Forges Next HTML Standard in Public W3C Forum

http://www.w3.org/2008/02/html5-pressrelease

Opera on why HTML 5 is important:

http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/the-first-working-draft-of-html-5-is-her/

Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of HTML) on Reinventing HTM:

http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/166

Wikipedia: HTML 5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5

HTML 5 / XHTML 5 vs. XHTML 2

http://xhtml.com/en/future/x-html-5-versus-xhtml-2/

HTML 5, one vocabulary, two serializations

http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/html5-is-html-and-xml.html

Improve your forms using HTML5!

http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/improve-your-forms-using-html5/

A List Apart Preview of HTML 5

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5

Conversation With X/HTML 5 Team

http://xhtml.com/en/future/conversation-with-x-html-5-team/

Conversation With XHTML 2 Team

http://xhtml.com/en/future/conversation-with-xhtml-2-team/

Interview with Opera's Advisory Committee Representative at W3C

http://www.w3.org/html/planet/

HTML 5 or XHTML 2?

http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/05/html-5-or-xhtml-2/

FAQ: What is HTML 5? When will HTML 5 be finished?
When will we be able to start using these new features?

http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_is_HTML_5.3F

http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When_will_HTML_5_be_finished.3F

http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When_will_we_be_able_to_start_using_these_new_features.3F

Anne's "Standards Suck" Weblog on HTML 5:

http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/04/html5

http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/02/xhtml5

http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/12/html5-timeline

http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/04/html5-foreign

http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/04/custom-data

XHTML 2 and HTML 5 - who will win?

http://me.mywebsight.ws/2007/05/15/xhtml-2-and-html-5-who-will-win/

The Next Version of XHTML May Be HTML 5

http://webdevfoundations.blogspot.com/2007/03/next-version-of-xhtml-may-be-html-5.html

Why XHTML 5 is a bad name

http://markmail.org/message/7ajgqvxvqdfbbsgd

(X)HTML 5 will have the only usable implementation of ruby markup

http://blog.whatwg.org/xhtml-5-will-have-the-only-usable-implementation-of-ruby-markup

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Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon




"Guy Macon" <http://www.GuyMacon.co m/wrote:

>
>Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

>>
>>Scripsit Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.co m/:
>>

>>HTML 5 has solved the above probem.

>>
>>Last time I checked, HTML 5 was going strong in creating
>>problems and had not solved any.

>
>Tim Berners-Lee seems to like it, as do the authors of the
>Opera web browser...
>

>>Besides, it was an incomplete sketch of a proposed draft. It is
>>generally regarded as inappropriate to cite such material except as
>>"work in progress".
>>
>>Do you mean the world suddenly changed when I was in the countryside for
>>a short time, and without even giving me a due notice? I'd be shocked.

>
>Point well taken. Let me rephrase that:
>
>The incomplete sketch of a proposed draft that is commonly
>called "HTML 5" appears to have solved the HTML text/html
>/ XHTML application/xhtml+xml problem by having one
>vocabulary with two serializations. See
>[ http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/html5-is-html-and-xml.html ]
>for more info.
>
>
>
>References:
>
>HTML 5 Draft Recommendation
>http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
>http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/
>
>New elements in HTML 5
>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-html5/
>
>HTML 5 differences from HTML 4
>http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
>
>W3C Publishes HTML 5 Draft, Future of Web Content:
>Web Community Forges Next HTML Standard in Public W3C Forum
>http://www.w3.org/2008/02/html5-pressrelease
>
>Opera on why HTML 5 is important:
>http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/t...html-5-is-her/
>
>Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of HTML) on Reinventing HTM:
>http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/166
>
>Wikipedia: HTML 5
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5
>
>HTML 5 / XHTML 5 vs. XHTML 2
>http://xhtml.com/en/future/x-html-5-versus-xhtml-2/
>
>HTML 5, one vocabulary, two serializations
>http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/01/html5-is-html-and-xml.html
>
>Improve your forms using HTML5!
>http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/i...s-using-html5/
>
>A List Apart Preview of HTML 5
>http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5
>
>Conversation With X/HTML 5 Team
>http://xhtml.com/en/future/conversat...x-html-5-team/
>
>Conversation With XHTML 2 Team
>http://xhtml.com/en/future/conversat...-xhtml-2-team/
>
>Interview with Opera's Advisory Committee Representative at W3C
>http://www.w3.org/html/planet/
>
>HTML 5 or XHTML 2?
>http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/0...-5-or-xhtml-2/
>
>FAQ: What is HTML 5? When will HTML 5 be finished?
>When will we be able to start using these new features?
>http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_is_HTML_5.3F
>http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When...be_finished.3F
>http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#When...ew_features.3F
>
>Anne's "Standards Suck" Weblog on HTML 5:
>http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/04/html5
>http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/02/xhtml5
>http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/12/html5-timeline
>http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/04/html5-foreign
>http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/04/custom-data
>
>XHTML 2 and HTML 5 - who will win?
>http://me.mywebsight.ws/2007/05/15/x...-who-will-win/
>
>The Next Version of XHTML May Be HTML 5
>http://webdevfoundations.blogspot.co...be-html-5.html
>
>Why XHTML 5 is a bad name
>http://markmail.org/message/7ajgqvxvqdfbbsgd
>
>(X)HTML 5 will have the only usable implementation of ruby markup
>http://blog.whatwg.org/xhtml-5-will-...of-ruby-markup
>

[Travis Newbury]

Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon

On Jul 25, 11:11 am, The Troll Whisperer
<Troll,Whispe.. .@TrollTech.inv alidwrote:

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Huh? You whispered so quietly I did not hear you add anything

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[Andrew Heenan]

Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon

"The Troll Whisperer" <Troll,Whispere r@TrollTech.inv alidquoted...

>>

But said nothing.

Maybe we can do without the 'whisperer'?

Mind you, this thread is so, er, boring, that maybe he fell asleep mid post?
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[Guy Macon]

Re: xhtml 1.0, xhtml 1.1, html 4.01, or html 5.X? -Guy Macon




Andrew Heenan wrote:

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>"The Troll Whisperer" <Troll,Whispere r@TrollTech.inv alidquoted...
>

>>>

>
>But said nothing.

It's a Zen thing.

>Maybe we can do without the 'whisperer'?
>
>Mind you, this thread is so, er, boring, that maybe he fell asleep mid post?

<startled /Huh? What?? Sorry...I dozed off for a second there.


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