ie6/firefox box model differences?

[pnguine]

Hi all:

I'm rebuilding our site ( http://www.rockywallretainingwalls.c...home_ssi.shtml
) and I have a couple of little problems I'd like to sort out before I
go any further. I prefer to work in Firefox so it looks mostly like I
want it to there except the banner is wider than the containing div on
the right - anyone know what's up with that? It looks fine in IE6 (I'm
not looking at IE7 right now - I expect a lot of people are probably
still using 6).

Other things - the small 'Retaining Wall' under the RockyWall logo and
the div containing the color squares seem to escape their containers
in IE; and the bar behind the navigation links grows in IE (not a real
concern).

I'm sure these things have been answered a thousand times on the web
already but this Microsoft/IE/CSS/Standards thing is so confusing I
was hoping I could get an answer here from somebody who does this all
the time and save myself a bunch of googling. :-)

Thanks

Phil N

[dorayme]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

In article
<379a77e8-44f6-43f0-a390-67250cf45377@l2 8g2000prd.googl egroups.com>,
pnguine <pnguine@gmail. comwrote:

Hi all:
>
I'm rebuilding our site (

http://www.rockywallretainingwalls.com/test/RockyWall/home_ssi.shtml

) and I have a couple of little problems

Not little; big, I am afraid:

<http://dorayme.890m.co m/alt/justPics/this_will_not_d o.png>

and similar in FF.

It is so basically simple the look you want that I am sure all your CSS
is way overkill. Absolute positioning can be dynamite unless you are
quite skilled in it. Best avoided till then. No time for detailed
analysis now.

--
dorayme

[Bergamot]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?


pnguine wrote:

>
I'm rebuilding our site ( http://www.rockywallretainingwalls.c...home_ssi.shtml
) and I have a couple of little problems

Sorry, but this is a total wreck. Just about everything on the page
overlaps something else, except for those elements that are way off the
right side. I have no idea how you even expect this to look, so won't
make any suggestions except to throw it all away and start over.

I'm sure these things have been answered a thousand times on the web
already but this Microsoft/IE/CSS/Standards thing is so confusing I
was hoping I could get an answer here from somebody who does this all
the time and save myself a bunch of googling. :-)

Sorry again, but this isn't a help desk, and laziness won't help you.
CSS takes time to learn as well as lots of practice and patience. If you
won't hire someone who knows what they're doing, bite the bullet and
start some studying yourself. You can start by learning the basics of
the CSS box model and positioning, as well as something about semantic
HTML and stop the div-itis before it gets worse (where are your headings
and paragraphs?!?).

http://brainjar.com/css/positioning/

http://microformats.org/wiki/posh

http://www.htmldog.com/

--
Berg

[Andy Dingley]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

On 17 Jun, 05:10, pnguine <pngu...@gmail. comwrote:

I'm rebuilding our site <http://www.rockywallre tainingwalls.co m/test/RockyWall/home_ssi.shtml>

Delete the CSS and start again.

Don't use position: absolute;

[pnguine]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

On Jun 17, 4:29 am, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

pnguine wrote:
>

I'm rebuilding our site (http://www.rockywallretainingwalls.c...home_ssi.shtml
) and I have a couple of little problems

>
Sorry, but this is a total wreck. Just about everything on the page
overlaps something else, except for those elements that are way off the
right side. I have no idea how you even expect this to look, so won't
make any suggestions except to throw it all away and start over.
>

I'm sure these things have been answered a thousand times on the web
already but this Microsoft/IE/CSS/Standards thing is so confusing I
was hoping I could get an answer here from somebody who does this all
the time and save myself a bunch of googling. :-)

>
Sorry again, but this isn't a help desk, and laziness won't help you.
CSS takes time to learn as well as lots of practice and patience. If you
won't hire someone who knows what they're doing, bite the bullet and
start some studying yourself. You can start by learning the basics of
the CSS box model and positioning, as well as something about semantic
HTML and stop the div-itis before it gets worse (where are your headings
and paragraphs?!?).http://brainjar.com/css/positioning/...w.htmldog.com/
>
--
Berg

I studied Waterloo MicroBasic in the 70's, Pascal, TurboPascal, C++
and have taken a full time one year course in Internet Programming.
Why don't you go to hell.

[Andy Dingley]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

On 18 Jun, 02:54, pnguine <pngu...@gmail. comwrote:

I studied Waterloo MicroBasic in the 70's, Pascal, TurboPascal, C++
and have taken a full time one year course in Internet Programming.

Then you already know everything and there is nothing more that anyone
can teach you.

Good luck with your webshite.

[Bergamot]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?


pnguine wrote:

On Jun 17, 4:29 am, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

>pnguine wrote:
>>

I'm rebuilding our site (http://www.rockywallretainingwalls.c...home_ssi.shtml
) and I have a couple of little problems

>>
>Sorry, but this is a total wreck.

>
I studied Waterloo MicroBasic in the 70's, Pascal, TurboPascal, C++

What do they have to do with knowing, or even the ability to learn, HTML
or CSS?

and have taken a full time one year course in Internet Programming.

I don't know what "Internet Programming" is supposed to cover, but you
didn't seem to learn any relevant HTML or CSS as part of it. That's not
really surprising. :-\

Why don't you go to hell.

I just love it when newbies get all indignant when somebody tells them
their code is crap. They take it so darned personally. :)

If you don't want an honest answer, go ask your friends or relatives for
opinions. If you're interested in actually learning something, you need
to put your ego aside.

--
Berg

[dorayme]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

In article <6bstdpF3dqcakU 1@mid.individua l.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi. comwrote:

I just love it when newbies get all indignant when somebody tells them
their code is crap. They take it so darned personally. :)
>

What Bergamot doesn't realise is that he literally means this. Which
makes him the prick he has always seemed to me.

If you don't want an honest answer, go ask your friends or relatives for
opinions. If you're interested in actually learning something, you need
to put your ego aside.

And take every completely unnecessary insult, every act of literary
bullying from borderline autistics like him.

--
dorayme

[pnguine]

Re: ie6/firefox box model differences?

dorayme wrote:

In article <6bstdpF3dqcakU 1@mid.individua l.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi. comwrote:
>

>I just love it when newbies get all indignant when somebody tells them
>their code is crap. They take it so darned personally. :)
>>

What Bergamot doesn't realise is that he literally means this. Which
makes him the prick he has always seemed to me.
>

>If you don't want an honest answer, go ask your friends or relatives for
>opinions. If you're interested in actually learning something, you need
>to put your ego aside.

>
And take every completely unnecessary insult, every act of literary
bullying from borderline autistics like him.
>

Thanks dorayme - I'm sorta shocked that you saw that. This whole css
thing is so absurd it might just drive me to Flash!