IE problems.

**Beauregard T. Shagnasty** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

Ian Hobson wrote:

Hi all,
>
Please take a look at http://www.ianhobson.co.uk/test.htm

Don't you mean, http://www.ianhobson.co.uk/bottom.php ?

It validates and works in Firefox exactly as required...
>
... but IE6 makes a complete mess of it.

Your conception of "mess" would have helped.

If you are referring to the one-row height in IE6, it is because that is
what you are telling it to do.

<textarea rows="1" cols="1"></textarea>

Why the frames?

~10% of your visitors will not be able to use your Send button - those
with JavaScript disabled or stripped by a firewall.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

**Alexander Huber** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

I don't think you need to bother about IE6 any more, it is an old and
very broken piece of software - it should no longer be used. Try IE7,
or if you can, IE8beta.

Alexander.

Ian Hobson wrote:

Hi all,
>
Please take a look at http://www.ianhobson.co.uk/test.htm
>
It validates and works in Firefox exactly as required...
>
... but IE6 makes a complete mess of it.
>
Does anyone have any ideas about how I can make IE play? I'm already
torn out at least least half of my remaining hair with this. Nothing I
have tried has convinced IE to do anything better.
>
Many thanks
>
Ian
>
>
>
>

**Andreas Prilop** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Alexander Huber wrote:

I don't think you need to bother about IE6 any more, it is an old
and very broken piece of software - it should no longer be used.

I don't think you need to bother about Windows any more, it is an old
and very broken piece of software - it should no longer be used.

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**Kevin Scholl** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

I don't think you need to bother about IE6 any more,

I think most professionals would strongly disagree. IE6 still
(unfortunately) commands a very sizable portion of general browsing
traffic.

it is an old and very broken piece of software

True enough.

it should no longer be used.

In an ideal world.

Try IE7, or if you can, IE8beta.

Or, even better, leave IE by the wayside and use a real browser.

**Ian Hobson** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

Ian Hobson wrote:

Hi all,
>
Please take a look at http://www.ianhobson.co.uk/test.htm
>
It validates and works in Firefox exactly as required...
>

Thanks to everyone for their rsponces. Some comments.

I need frames partly because the whole app is in frames (circa 2002?)
and a complete rewrite is not feasable, and partly because we want to
disable bookmarking.

Most customers have IE6, so that has to be got to work.

I can't run IE7 or 8beta (win2k still), so testing on those will have to
wait.

However....I've cracked the problem using javascript. (and updated the
files).

Regards

Ian

**Beauregard T. Shagnasty** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

Ian Hobson wrote:

I need frames partly because the whole app is in frames (circa 2002?)
and a complete rewrite is not feasable,

Ah. You didn't include that in your details. Frames were abandoned by
their creator sometime around 1994, as I recall.

and partly because we want to disable bookmarking.

Is this a public site? Do you know what search engines will provide
their users? Your unframed page ... sans everything in the other
frames.

Do you know how easy it is to, for example, right-click in the frame and
choose "This Frame Open in new Tab (or window)" ?

--
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-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

**Alexander Huber** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

I think most professionals would strongly disagree. IE6 still
(unfortunately) commands a very sizable portion of general browsing
traffic.

Professionals? Or people who don't know how to install a proper browser? ;)

**Bergamot** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Ian Hobson wrote:
>

>http://www.ianhobson.co.uk/test.htm
>>
>... but IE6 makes a complete mess of it.

>
If you are referring to the one-row height in IE6, it is because that is
what you are telling it to do.
>
<textarea rows="1" cols="1"></textarea>

Only partially, I think.

The reason is more the positioning rules. IE6 doesn't grok setting all 4
positions top, bottom, left and right. It seems to have managed left and
right together, overriding the cols value, but not top and bottom so it
remains 1 row.

--
Berg

**Kevin Scholl** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

On Apr 24, 12:33 pm, Alexander Huber <alhu...@gmx.ne twrote:

I think most professionals would strongly disagree. IE6 still
(unfortunately) commands a very sizable portion of general browsing
traffic.

>
Professionals? Or people who don't know how to install a proper browser? ;)

By all means, allow me to clarify. Most professional Web designers and
developers would strongly disagree that you can abandon consideration
for IE6, for the simple reason that so many people "don't know how to
install a proper browser". ;-)

**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

In article <4810b4b5$0$129 23$4c368faf@roa drunner.com>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@ex ample.invalidwr ote:

Ian Hobson wrote:
>

I need frames partly because the whole app is in frames (circa 2002?)
and a complete rewrite is not feasable,

>
Ah. You didn't include that in your details.

And, of course, nor need he have, given his original question.

--
dorayme

**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

In article
<9cade88d-6331-4559-bc7b-29378994addf@1g 2000prg.googleg roups.com>,
Kevin Scholl <kscholl@comcas t.netwrote:

On Apr 24, 12:33 pm, Alexander Huber <alhu...@gmx.ne twrote:

I think most professionals would strongly disagree. IE6 still
(unfortunately) commands a very sizable portion of general browsing
traffic.

Professionals? Or people who don't know how to install a proper browser? ;)

>
By all means, allow me to clarify. Most professional Web designers and
developers would strongly disagree that you can abandon consideration
for IE6, for the simple reason that so many people "don't know how to
install a proper browser". ;-)

There is a misunderstandin g from the start. Alexander is thinking about
the OP and the OP (and everyone else except Alexander) is thinking about
the OP's customers. Once you make this distinction, the problem
disappears like when an apple is touched by a magic wand replaced by a
cloud of silver hollywood stars.

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dorayme

**Alexander Huber** · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

I don't do "customers" .... ;) Code for people not browsers!

dorayme wrote:

In article
<9cade88d-6331-4559-bc7b-29378994addf@1g 2000prg.googleg roups.com>,
Kevin Scholl <kscholl@comcas t.netwrote:
>

>On Apr 24, 12:33 pm, Alexander Huber <alhu...@gmx.ne twrote:

>>>I think most professionals would strongly disagree. IE6 still
>>>(unfortunate ly) commands a very sizable portion of general browsing
>>>traffic.
>>Professionals ? Or people who don't know how to install a proper browser? ;)

>By all means, allow me to clarify. Most professional Web designers and
>developers would strongly disagree that you can abandon consideration
>for IE6, for the simple reason that so many people "don't know how to
>install a proper browser". ;-)

>
There is a misunderstandin g from the start. Alexander is thinking about
the OP and the OP (and everyone else except Alexander) is thinking about
the OP's customers. Once you make this distinction, the problem
disappears like when an apple is touched by a magic wand replaced by a
cloud of silver hollywood stars.
>

rf · Jun 27 '08, 07:17 PM

Re: IE problems.

Alexander Huber <alhuber@gmx.ne twrote in
news:fv44g4$b4p $1@frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.a c.uk:

I don't do "customers" .... ;)

You do appear, however, to have this bloody annoying habbit of top posting.
Do it again and I for one will ignore you henceforth.

Code for people not browsers!

I don't know what you do for a living but I code for money. If that means I
have to add the odd hack or two to make IE works for my *customers*
visitors who use iE6 then so be it.

I hope you add a disclaimer to any work you do that you intentionally
ignore x% of viewers.

--
Richard
Killing all google groups posts
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