Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Pointer"??

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Po inter"??

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

>Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>>Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>
>>>Never mind. The image I downloaded to experiment with was a
>>>mis-named .ani file with a .cur extension. All of the code works
>>>fine once I converted the image.
>>>>
>>>
>>Good 'cuz I was going to say you suppled URL to the code, css but not
>>the actual page!
>>>

>>
>Really? You snipped my URLs out. But maybe you checked them before I
>uploaded all the changes?
>>
>Oh, wait. Go to any page on my site. Use the "Music" menu. Hover
>over any of the sub-choices. Go to any page in that menu. See the
>guitar?
>>

>
Sorry but I still do not see the page's URL only to CSS and "menu.txt"
Unless you mean the relative URL in your code snippet 'href="/music.php"'

No, I mean any page on my site, whose url is in my sig. But, for
simplicity: http://edmullen.net

Or am I misunderstandin g you?

>
Ed's POST:

>Ok. I have tried my best to follow this thread and make sense of it.
>And, apparently, have failed.
>>
>I don't have any great desire to inundate my site design with strange
>cursors but I do like experimenting and trying to understand such
>issues. So.
>>
>Just for experimentation purposes, I think I have gleaned, from the
>discussion and from Jonathan's site, that the following CSS in my
>external style sheet (http://edmullen.net/styles/default.css) should
>work:
>>
>.guitar {
>cursor: url(/styles/GuitarWestern.c ur), pointer;
>}
>>
>And, I have applied that class to the menu items for the "Music" menu
>in (http://edmullen.net/styles/menu.txt) ala:
>>
><li><a class="guitar" href="/music.php">MUSI C MAIN</a></li>
>>
>And it works in IE7 but not SeaMonkey nor Firefox.
>>
>Pardon my obtusiveness but what am I missing?

>
>
>

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Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>Ed Mullen wrote:
>>

>>Never mind. The image I downloaded to experiment with was a
>>mis-named .ani file with a .cur extension. All of the code works
>>fine once I converted the image.
>>>

>>
>Good 'cuz I was going to say you suppled URL to the code, css but not
>the actual page!
>>

>
Really? You snipped my URLs out. But maybe you checked them before I
uploaded all the changes?
>
Oh, wait. Go to any page on my site. Use the "Music" menu. Hover over
any of the sub-choices. Go to any page in that menu. See the guitar?
>

Sorry but I still do not see the page's URL only to CSS and "menu.txt"
Unless you mean the relative URL in your code snippet 'href="/music.php"'

Ed's POST:

Ok. I have tried my best to follow this thread and make sense of it. And, apparently, have failed.
>
I don't have any great desire to inundate my site design with strange cursors but I do like experimenting and trying to understand such issues. So.
>
Just for experimentation purposes, I think I have gleaned, from the discussion and from Jonathan's site, that the following CSS in my external style sheet (http://edmullen.net/styles/default.css) should work:
>
.guitar {
cursor: url(/styles/GuitarWestern.c ur), pointer;
}
>
And, I have applied that class to the menu items for the "Music" menu in (http://edmullen.net/styles/menu.txt) ala:
>
<li><a class="guitar" href="/music.php">MUSI C MAIN</a></li>
>
And it works in IE7 but not SeaMonkey nor Firefox.
>
Pardon my obtusiveness but what am I missing?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO

http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
>

>Never mind. The image I downloaded to experiment with was a mis-named
>.ani file with a .cur extension. All of the code works fine once I
>converted the image.
>>

>
Good 'cuz I was going to say you suppled URL to the code, css but not
the actual page!
>

Really? You snipped my URLs out. But maybe you checked them before I
uploaded all the changes?

Oh, wait. Go to any page on my site. Use the "Music" menu. Hover over
any of the sub-choices. Go to any page in that menu. See the guitar?

--
Ed Mullen

http://edmullen.net

Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Ed Mullen wrote:

Never mind. The image I downloaded to experiment with was a mis-named
.ani file with a .cur extension. All of the code works fine once I
converted the image.
>

Good 'cuz I was going to say you suppled URL to the code, css but not
the actual page!

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO

http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Ed Mullen wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>Prisoner at War wrote:

>>Dude!!!
>>>
>>Check this super-brower-weirdness out!!
>>>
>>I can get the cursor to change in Firefox -- ****ONLY**** with a .gif
>>file!!!!!
>>>
>><img style="cursor:u rl('file.gif'), auto" />
>>>
>>>
>>Won't work in MSIE 7!!
>>>
>>I can get the cursor to change in MSIE 7 -- ****ONLY**** with an .ani
>>file!!!!
>>>
>><img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto" />
>>>
>>>
>>Won't work in FF 2!!
>>>
>>Opera 9 remains "unimpresse d" no matter what.
>>>
>>Now, wouldn't the solution, then, be to simply provide for both FF and
>>MSIE, like so:

>>
>ANI may be MS specific. FF support all kinds of format that IE does not.
>>

>>>
>><img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto; cursor:url('fil e.gif'),
>>auto">

>>
>WRONG. The cascade mean that you *overwrite* the first rule with the
>second! Correct way is give an value list:
>>
>cursor: url('file.ani') , url('file.gif') , url('file.cur') , auto;
>>
>>

>>But no, that would be too easy, wouldn't it??
>>>
>>Doesn't work.
>>>

>>
>Again because you are not doing it correctly.
>>

>
Ok. I have tried my best to follow this thread and make sense of it.
And, apparently, have failed.
>
I don't have any great desire to inundate my site design with strange
cursors but I do like experimenting and trying to understand such
issues. So.
>
Just for experimentation purposes, I think I have gleaned, from the
discussion and from Jonathan's site, that the following CSS in my
external style sheet (http://edmullen.net/styles/default.css) should work:
>
.guitar {
cursor: url(/styles/GuitarWestern.c ur), pointer;
}
>
And, I have applied that class to the menu items for the "Music" menu in
(http://edmullen.net/styles/menu.txt) ala:
>
<li><a class="guitar" href="/music.php">MUSI C MAIN</a></li>
>
And it works in IE7 but not SeaMonkey nor Firefox.
>
Pardon my obtusiveness but what am I missing?
>

Never mind. The image I downloaded to experiment with was a mis-named
..ani file with a .cur extension. All of the code works fine once I
converted the image.

--
Ed Mullen

http://edmullen.net

Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Prisoner at War wrote:

>Dude!!!
>>
>Check this super-brower-weirdness out!!
>>
>I can get the cursor to change in Firefox -- ****ONLY**** with a .gif
>file!!!!!
>>
><img style="cursor:u rl('file.gif'), auto" />
>>
>>
>Won't work in MSIE 7!!
>>
>I can get the cursor to change in MSIE 7 -- ****ONLY**** with an .ani
>file!!!!
>>
><img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto" />
>>
>>
>Won't work in FF 2!!
>>
>Opera 9 remains "unimpresse d" no matter what.
>>
>Now, wouldn't the solution, then, be to simply provide for both FF and
>MSIE, like so:

>
ANI may be MS specific. FF support all kinds of format that IE does not.
>

>>
><img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto; cursor:url('fil e.gif'),
>auto">

>
WRONG. The cascade mean that you *overwrite* the first rule with the
second! Correct way is give an value list:
>
cursor: url('file.ani') , url('file.gif') , url('file.cur') , auto;
>
>

>But no, that would be too easy, wouldn't it??
>>
>Doesn't work.
>>

>
Again because you are not doing it correctly.
>

Ok. I have tried my best to follow this thread and make sense of it.
And, apparently, have failed.

I don't have any great desire to inundate my site design with strange
cursors but I do like experimenting and trying to understand such
issues. So.

Just for experimentation purposes, I think I have gleaned, from the
discussion and from Jonathan's site, that the following CSS in my
external style sheet (http://edmullen.net/styles/default.css) should work:

..guitar {
cursor: url(/styles/GuitarWestern.c ur), pointer;
}

And, I have applied that class to the menu items for the "Music" menu in
(http://edmullen.net/styles/menu.txt) ala:

<li><a class="guitar" href="/music.php">MUSI C MAIN</a></li>

And it works in IE7 but not SeaMonkey nor Firefox.

Pardon my obtusiveness but what am I missing?

--
Ed Mullen

http://edmullen.net

Why isn't the word phonetic spelled the way is sounds?

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 21, 11:22 am, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use...@bsb .me.ukwrote:

>
>
But is hard to image what use there could be for it. At least to me,
it sounds merely annoying.

I can see how you think that; it's just a little thought-experiment
kind of thing for me, mainly, as I am learning and almost anything
that can be done will be interesting to me!

I have in mind a silly little event, where onMouseOver of an image of
a dog, say, the cursor turns into a bone...haha...i t's mostly just an
exercise for me, but it should be simple and it isn't!

With luck, my browser (now based on FF's engine) will never "catch
up". If it does, I am confident that it will allow me to tell it to
ignore cursor changes (just as I can tell it to ignore status-line
changes and other similar irritations).

I'm all for user-defined look & feel, believe me...I recognize that
many of these "cutesy" little things are silly and even downright
annoying to people. I do plan on a very judicious use of it, please
believe me -- but in the here and now, it's more of a learning
exercise than anything else, why my code doesn't work (or, rather,
works so differently than it seems like it should!)....

There is nothing to be gained from interfering with the feedback that
users have got used to getting from their cursors.

It won't be site-wide, or even page-wide at that -- just over that
little image of a dog (which is, BTW, animated [gasp!] but timed via
JavaScript to "stop" after eight seconds by swapping a still-frame),
turning the cursor into a bone, with an ALT or TITLE attribute to the
<imgtag that reads "mooo" or "meow" or something....

;-)

--
Ben.

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

Dude!!!
>
Check this super-brower-weirdness out!!
>
I can get the cursor to change in Firefox -- ****ONLY**** with a .gif
file!!!!!
>
<img style="cursor:u rl('file.gif'), auto" />
>
>
Won't work in MSIE 7!!
>
I can get the cursor to change in MSIE 7 -- ****ONLY**** with an .ani
file!!!!
>
<img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto" />
>
>
Won't work in FF 2!!
>
Opera 9 remains "unimpresse d" no matter what.
>
Now, wouldn't the solution, then, be to simply provide for both FF and
MSIE, like so:

ANI may be MS specific. FF support all kinds of format that IE does not.

>
<img style="cursor:u rl('file.ani'), auto; cursor:url('fil e.gif'),
auto">

WRONG. The cascade mean that you *overwrite* the first rule with the
second! Correct way is give an value list:

cursor: url('file.ani') , url('file.gif') , url('file.cur') , auto;

But no, that would be too easy, wouldn't it??
>
Doesn't work.
>

Again because you are not doing it correctly.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO

http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrit es:

On Apr 20, 10:22 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>>
>>
>Don't you think that its about time for you to put at least one of your
>attempts up and give us the URL?

>
I don't have a domain name right now, actually...I'm not finished with
site-construction and content-creation (you see how I got stuck over
this lil' cursor business for a few hours!), so nothing to show,
anyway.
>
It's not hard to imagine what I'm talking about...I can get an
animated cursor to work only in MSIE 7...it works just like Jonathan's
magnifying glass does -- except his work in both MSIE 7 and Firefox!

But is hard to image what use there could be for it. At least to me,
it sounds merely annoying.

I think I'll just leave this "feature" in my code and "wait" for
Firefox and Opera to catch up to W3C standards on this one!

With luck, my browser (now based on FF's engine) will never "catch
up". If it does, I am confident that it will allow me to tell it to
ignore cursor changes (just as I can tell it to ignore status-line
changes and other similar irritations).

There is nothing to be gained from interfering with the feedback that
users have got used to getting from their cursors.

--
Ben.

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 10:22 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>
>
Don't you think that its about time for you to put at least one of your
attempts up and give us the URL?

I don't have a domain name right now, actually...I'm not finished with
site-construction and content-creation (you see how I got stuck over
this lil' cursor business for a few hours!), so nothing to show,
anyway.

It's not hard to imagine what I'm talking about...I can get an
animated cursor to work only in MSIE 7...it works just like Jonathan's
magnifying glass does -- except his work in both MSIE 7 and Firefox!

I think I'll just leave this "feature" in my code and "wait" for
Firefox and Opera to catch up to W3C standards on this one!

--
Gus

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:05 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>
>Did you forget to comma delimit the the list?
>>
>cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani), pointer;

>
Well, I guess I did -- but it still doesn't work in Firefox 2, but
Firefox does recognize the fall-back "pointer"...int erestingly, Opera
9 remains totally unresponsive, just ignoring it completely.
>
I wonder why Firefox and Opera decided not to implement this W3C
standard!

Firefox does. Most likely you are making a mistake. But it is only a
guess because you have not supplied a url. In fact FireFox supports
other graphic formats, like JPG, PNG, SVG, whereas IE only supports CUR...

>
What's so confusing is that there are reports of getting Firefox to
comply (like what's claimed at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/cursor.html,
somewhere half-way down the page)...but the most reliable method seems
to be to use JavaScript to force it.

No, again you must be making an error. God will strike you dead if you
employ one of those old JS 90's cursor trails...

I've found just such a script, but it's really long for something's
that's not supposed to be site-wide, and I don't see where I'm
supposed to plug in the name of my animated cursor graphic anyway
(it's not where the inline comment says, apparently).
>
I would give up on this one, except I see that it works with Firefox
on your site!! Did you resort to JavaScript, then??

Absolutely not! Disable JavaScript and see for yourself, even the image
swap uses no JavaScript (except for poor old IE)

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO

http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

>
I can't believe it's 2008 and this custom-cursor stuff is near
impossible!!

Don't you think that its about time for you to put at least one of your
attempts up and give us the URL?

--
Gus

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 8:06 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>
>
Perhaps someone will come along with a simple way compared to my
complicated method.

Actually, it looks like you surmised it by peeking at this HTML....

"Hand" is _not_ Standards and is an IE only thing.
>
Whereas in IE 5.5 it only understood "hand", IE 6 and 7 understand both
"hand" and "pointer".

Right; I'm sorry, I was "hijacking" your line of thinking there by
going some place else....

--
Gus

I can't believe it's 2008 and this custom-cursor stuff is near
impossible!!

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 9:05 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>
>
Did you forget to comma delimit the the list?
>
cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani), pointer;

Well, I guess I did -- but it still doesn't work in Firefox 2, but
Firefox does recognize the fall-back "pointer"...int erestingly, Opera
9 remains totally unresponsive, just ignoring it completely.

I wonder why Firefox and Opera decided not to implement this W3C
standard!

What's so confusing is that there are reports of getting Firefox to
comply (like what's claimed at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/cursor.html,
somewhere half-way down the page)...but the most reliable method seems
to be to use JavaScript to force it.

I've found just such a script, but it's really long for something's
that's not supposed to be site-wide, and I don't see where I'm
supposed to plug in the name of my animated cursor graphic anyway
(it's not where the inline comment says, apparently).

I would give up on this one, except I see that it works with Firefox
on your site!! Did you resort to JavaScript, then??

--
Take care,
>
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorks Studio.com

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 20, 6:20 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>
>Yes, you define it in your stylesheet! The important thing is to give
>fall back options like with font families and and list one of the
>generic predefined ones at the end of the list. Example from my page:
>>
>/* 1st special color, then plain B&W, lastly predefined 'pointer' */
>.sfx { cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), url(/parts/viewbw.cur), pointer; }

>
You know something??
>
I finally got a custom cursor thinggy to work -- in MSIE 7!! But the
strange thing is that it wouldn't work *unless* I took *out* that fall-
back!!
>
As per my latest entry (Number Six at this time) on
comp.lang.javas cript at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....fd281d0a68a05e...
>
style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani); cursor:pointer; "
>
>
doesn't work, even in MSIE 7, but
>
>
style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani);"
>
>
does!
>
So, the custom pointer can only show up in MSIE 7, and only if the
"fall-back" hand pointer used by Opera and Firefox isn't present --
else MSIE 7 "prefers" it and uses it instead of the custom pointer!!
>
So how are you getting your custom pointer to work in Firefox and MSIE
but not Opera, while mine works only in MSIE on the condition that
there's no fall-back???

Did you forget to comma delimit the the list?

cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani), pointer;
^


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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com