Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Pointer"??

[Prisoner at War]

Hello, Everyone:

Is there any other values or whatever-it's-called to the cursor
property in CSS??

So far, I only know of cursor:pointer (or, for MSIE, cursor:hand)... .

Any way to load in one's own somehow??

Just a noob at this...TIA!!

[Harlan Messinger]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Po inter"??

Prisoner at War wrote:

Hello, Everyone:
>
Is there any other values or whatever-it's-called to the cursor
property in CSS??
>
So far, I only know of cursor:pointer (or, for MSIE, cursor:hand)... .
>
Any way to load in one's own somehow??
>
Just a noob at this...TIA!!

From the CSS specification:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Po inter"??

Harlan Messinger wrote:

Prisoner at War wrote:

>Hello, Everyone:
>>
>Is there any other values or whatever-it's-called to the cursor
>property in CSS??
>>

Yes, but browser support varies.

>So far, I only know of cursor:pointer (or, for MSIE, cursor:hand)... .

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^
That was just for old MSIE5x, use pointer. Let the "hand" die.

>>
>Any way to load in one's own somehow??
>>
>Just a noob at this...TIA!!

From the CSS specification:
>
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html

Best source.

I have added a custom cursor on this page as an example. Important tip
is to provide fallback, because with my pretty magnifying glass cursor
for the images does not work in Opera...

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/ak2007.php

Al Khamsa 2007 National Convention Raffle Project


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Jonathan
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[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides "Cursor:Po inter"??

On Apr 19, 4:06 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>
>
<SNIP>
>
I have added a custom cursor on this page as an example. Important tip
is to provide fallback, because with my pretty magnifying glass cursor
for the images does not work in Opera...

Say, how did you do that?? That's exactly what I hope to do....

I wonder why your lil' trick doesn't work in Opera...??

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/ak2007.php

Al Khamsa 2007 National Convention Raffle Project
>
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Take care,
>
Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorks Studio.com

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 19, 4:06 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>
><SNIP>
>>
>I have added a custom cursor on this page as an example. Important tip
>is to provide fallback, because with my pretty magnifying glass cursor
>for the images does not work in Opera...

>
Say, how did you do that?? That's exactly what I hope to do....

Need some graphic software that is capable of making cursors, there is
also many freebies about that will convert BMPs to cursors.

>
I wonder why your lil' trick doesn't work in Opera...??
>

Don't know, ask the folks at Opera why they don't support <urivalues
for cursors...

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#propdef-cursor

Ask 'em, check out their bugs...

http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/

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Jonathan
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[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 12:11 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>
>
Need some graphic software that is capable of making cursors, there is
also many freebies about that will convert BMPs to cursors.

I don't mean how to create the graphic; I mean, what code to
implement!

Martin Honnen over at comp.lang.javas cript suggested

cursor: URL (some-file.name);


but that's not working for me. I see that you seem to have used some
kind of CSS for the effect?

Don't know, ask the folks at Opera why they don't support <urivalues
for cursors...
>
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#propdef-cursor

Sorry, I simply haven't the background necessary to make sense of
technical "white papers"...I'm not even a script kid!!

Ask 'em, check out their bugs...http://www.opera.com/support/bugs/

LOL!

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Take care,
>
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorks Studio.com

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 20, 12:11 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>
>Need some graphic software that is capable of making cursors, there is
>also many freebies about that will convert BMPs to cursors.

>
I don't mean how to create the graphic; I mean, what code to
implement!
>
Martin Honnen over at comp.lang.javas cript suggested
>
cursor: URL (some-file.name);
>
>
but that's not working for me. I see that you seem to have used some
kind of CSS for the effect?

Yes, you define it in your stylesheet! The important thing is to give
fall back options like with font families and and list one of the
generic predefined ones at the end of the list. Example from my page:

/* 1st special color, then plain B&W, lastly predefined 'pointer' */
..sfx { cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), url(/parts/viewbw.cur), pointer; }



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Jonathan
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[Gus Richter]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Prisoner at War wrote:

>On Apr 20, 12:11 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>>
>>Need some graphic software that is capable of making cursors, there is
>>also many freebies about that will convert BMPs to cursors.

>>
>I don't mean how to create the graphic; I mean, what code to
>implement!
>>
>Martin Honnen over at comp.lang.javas cript suggested
>>
>cursor: URL (some-file.name);
>>
>>
>but that's not working for me. I see that you seem to have used some
>kind of CSS for the effect?

>
Yes, you define it in your stylesheet! The important thing is to give
fall back options like with font families and and list one of the
generic predefined ones at the end of the list. Example from my page:
>
/* 1st special color, then plain B&W, lastly predefined 'pointer' */
.sfx { cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), url(/parts/viewbw.cur), pointer; }

Both images, the color and the black/white version, are in the same
folder. The user will be able to see the color version if he can see the
b/w version, unless you know of any UA than can only see b/w? The fall
back of "pointer" is acceptable. The declaration, IMHO, should simply be
(for the color version image):
cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), pointer;

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Gus

[Gus Richter]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Example from my page:

Sorry, but I forgot to say that I liked your site very much.

--
Gus

[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 7:18 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>
>
Both images, the color and the black/white version, are in the same
folder. The user will be able to see the color version if he can see the
b/w version, unless you know of any UA than can only see b/w?

Eh? How are you able to access his directory??

The fall
back of "pointer" is acceptable. The declaration, IMHO, should simply be
(for the color version image):
cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), pointer;

I was wondering myself, why the "pointer" and not the ol' hot-link
"hand"....

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Gus

[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 6:20 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>
>
Yes, you define it in your stylesheet! The important thing is to give
fall back options like with font families and and list one of the
generic predefined ones at the end of the list. Example from my page:
>
/* 1st special color, then plain B&W, lastly predefined 'pointer' */
.sfx { cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), url(/parts/viewbw.cur), pointer; }

You know something??

I finally got a custom cursor thinggy to work -- in MSIE 7!! But the
strange thing is that it wouldn't work *unless* I took *out* that fall-
back!!

As per my latest entry (Number Six at this time) on
comp.lang.javas cript at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....fd281d0a68a05e...

style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani); cursor:pointer; "


doesn't work, even in MSIE 7, but


style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani);"


does!

So, the custom pointer can only show up in MSIE 7, and only if the
"fall-back" hand pointer used by Opera and Firefox isn't present --
else MSIE 7 "prefers" it and uses it instead of the custom pointer!!

So how are you getting your custom pointer to work in Firefox and MSIE
but not Opera, while mine works only in MSIE on the condition that
there's no fall-back???

Perhaps the problem lies in using "cursor: url(relative/path/
file.ani);" within the style attribute of an <imgtag???

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Take care,
>
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorks Studio.com

[Gus Richter]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 20, 7:18 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>>
>Both images, the color and the black/white version, are in the same
>folder. The user will be able to see the color version if he can see the
>b/w version, unless you know of any UA than can only see b/w?

>
Eh? How are you able to access his directory??

Perhaps someone will come along with a simple way compared to my
complicated method.

>The fall
>back of "pointer" is acceptable. The declaration, IMHO, should simply be
>(for the color version image):
> cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), pointer;

>
I was wondering myself, why the "pointer" and not the ol' hot-link
"hand"....

"Hand" is _not_ Standards and is an IE only thing.

Whereas in IE 5.5 it only understood "hand", IE 6 and 7 understand both
"hand" and "pointer".

--
Gus

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

Prisoner at War wrote:

On Apr 20, 6:20 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>>
>Yes, you define it in your stylesheet! The important thing is to give
>fall back options like with font families and and list one of the
>generic predefined ones at the end of the list. Example from my page:
>>
>/* 1st special color, then plain B&W, lastly predefined 'pointer' */
>.sfx { cursor: url(/parts/view.cur), url(/parts/viewbw.cur), pointer; }

>
You know something??
>
I finally got a custom cursor thinggy to work -- in MSIE 7!! But the
strange thing is that it wouldn't work *unless* I took *out* that fall-
back!!
>
As per my latest entry (Number Six at this time) on
comp.lang.javas cript at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....fd281d0a68a05e...
>
style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani); cursor:pointer; "
>
>
doesn't work, even in MSIE 7, but
>
>
style="cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani);"
>
>
does!
>
So, the custom pointer can only show up in MSIE 7, and only if the
"fall-back" hand pointer used by Opera and Firefox isn't present --
else MSIE 7 "prefers" it and uses it instead of the custom pointer!!
>
So how are you getting your custom pointer to work in Firefox and MSIE
but not Opera, while mine works only in MSIE on the condition that
there's no fall-back???

Did you forget to comma delimit the the list?

cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani), pointer;
^


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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 9:05 pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

>
>
Did you forget to comma delimit the the list?
>
cursor: url(relative/path/file.ani), pointer;

Well, I guess I did -- but it still doesn't work in Firefox 2, but
Firefox does recognize the fall-back "pointer"...int erestingly, Opera
9 remains totally unresponsive, just ignoring it completely.

I wonder why Firefox and Opera decided not to implement this W3C
standard!

What's so confusing is that there are reports of getting Firefox to
comply (like what's claimed at http://www.quirksmode.org/css/cursor.html,
somewhere half-way down the page)...but the most reliable method seems
to be to use JavaScript to force it.

I've found just such a script, but it's really long for something's
that's not supposed to be site-wide, and I don't see where I'm
supposed to plug in the name of my animated cursor graphic anyway
(it's not where the inline comment says, apparently).

I would give up on this one, except I see that it works with Firefox
on your site!! Did you resort to JavaScript, then??

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Take care,
>
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorks Studio.com

[Prisoner at War]

Re: Any Other Whachamacallits Besides &quot;Cursor:Po inter&quot;??

On Apr 20, 8:06 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@net scape.netwrote:

>
>
Perhaps someone will come along with a simple way compared to my
complicated method.

Actually, it looks like you surmised it by peeking at this HTML....

"Hand" is _not_ Standards and is an IE only thing.
>
Whereas in IE 5.5 it only understood "hand", IE 6 and 7 understand both
"hand" and "pointer".

Right; I'm sorry, I was "hijacking" your line of thinking there by
going some place else....

--
Gus

I can't believe it's 2008 and this custom-cursor stuff is near
impossible!!