Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

[Dave Rado]

On 15 Apr, 23:23, John Hosking <J...@DELETE.Ho sking.name.INVA LID>
wrote:

Also: Delete <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?from your code.
And consider (haven't we said this before?) using a strict doctype for
your HTML.
>
HTH

A lot of my pages wouldn't display correctly in IE6 if I did that. IE6
didn't implement the w3c rules properly and as a result it's even more
buggy in strict mode than it is in quirks mode. And I sometimes have
to use deprecated attributes for similar reasons.

Dave

[Bergamot]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Dave Rado wrote:

On 15 Apr, 23:23, John Hosking <J...@DELETE.Ho sking.name.INVA LID>
wrote:
>
>

>Also: Delete <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?from your code.

>
A lot of my pages wouldn't display correctly in IE6 if I did that.

You're letting IE6 use it's broken box model when other browsers,
including IE7, get it right. How can that be displaying "correctly" ?

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[Dave Rado]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

On 16 Apr, 00:29, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

Dave Rado wrote:

You're letting IE6 use it's broken box model when other browsers,
including IE7, get it right. How can that be displaying "correctly" ?
>
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By "correctly" I simply mean that it needs to look the same to users
of IE6 as it does to users of all other browsers.

Dave

[Dave Rado]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

On 16 Apr, 03:23, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@centra l.netwrote:

Dave Rado wrote:

On 16 Apr, 00:29, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

Dave Rado wrote:

>

You're letting IE6 use it's broken box model when other browsers,
including IE7, get it right. How can that be displaying "correctly" ?

>

By "correctly" I simply mean that it needs to look the same to users
of IE6 as it does to users of all other browsers.

>
Bad assumption, you are just make a mistake somewhere. Quirks mode will
not guarantee constancy among browsers at all because each browser
interprets "legacy" differently.

Only one browser is running in quirks mode, IE6 - plus IE5.x, which
doesn't have a strict mode. Every other browser is running in strict
mode. So it's very easy to guarantee how the only two browsers that
are running in quirks mode will look, because I have both those
browsers installed.

And the code that IE6's strict mode can't cope with is far more
complex than you are aware of, as I haven't posted it here; and I have
been told by several css experts that IE6's strict mode simply cannot
display that code properly, due to its bugs.

Dave

[Bergamot]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Dave Rado wrote:

>
And the code that IE6's strict mode can't cope with is far more
complex than you are aware of, as I haven't posted it here;

I suppose we'll have to take your word for it, but I'm skeptical.

and I have
been told by several css experts that IE6's strict mode simply cannot
display that code properly, due to its bugs.

Now I'm really skeptical. I've seen far too much crap come from
so-called experts.

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[Dave Rado]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

On 17 Apr, 04:44, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

I suppose we'll have to take your word for it, but I'm skeptical.
>

and I have
been told by several css experts that IE6's strict mode simply cannot
display that code properly, due to its bugs.

>
Now I'm really skeptical. I've seen far too much crap come from
so-called experts.
>
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Do you want to try to solve the problem? If I'm going to spend time
putting together a highly complex mock-up, it would have to be on the
understanding that you're willing to put a substantial amount of time
into finding another fix to the problem other than the one that I've
already found and which works - not that my current setup is a problem
for me in any case, because I have to support IE5.5, (despite the fact
that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5,
is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in
strict mode would actually increase the amount of maintenance
involved, because at present I can use the star hack to support both
5.5 and 6 without additional stylesheets, whereas if v6 was running in
strict mode I'd have to go back to using conditional stylesheets for
v5.5. And none of the problems I've posted about in this newsgroup or
their solutions are influenced in any way by whether IE6 is running in
strict or quirks mode.

But if you want to try to solve the problem, I'd be willing to
implement the solution, if you find one, provided it doesn't affect
the look or functionality of my web pages in any way.

Dave

[Jonathan N. Little]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Dave Rado wrote:

that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5,
is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in

Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on Win98
and a slew of modern web browsers as well....

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Jonathan
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[Blinky the Shark]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Dave Rado wrote:
>

>that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to differ);
>so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5, is
>actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in

>
Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on Win98 and
a slew of modern web browsers as well....

I know a guy (for values of "know" that include people I've plonked) who
is still using a 486. And he wears that like a Congressional commendation.


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[Blinky the Shark]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Ed Mullen wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

>Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>

>>Dave Rado wrote:
>>>
>>>that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
>>>differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5,
>>>is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in
>>Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on Win98
>>and a slew of modern web browsers as well....

>>
>I know a guy (for values of "know" that include people I've plonked) who
>is still using a 486. And he wears that like a Congressional
>commendation .

>
We all "know" oddballs like that. But should we be designing for their
hopelessly devout adherence to antiquated technology?

Of core snot.


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[Ed Mullen]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Blinky the Shark wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
>

>Blinky the Shark wrote:

>>Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>
>>>Dave Rado wrote:
>>>>
>>>>that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
>>>>differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5,
>>>>is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in
>>>Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on Win98
>>>and a slew of modern web browsers as well....
>>I know a guy (for values of "know" that include people I've plonked) who
>>is still using a 486. And he wears that like a Congressional
>>commendatio n.

>We all "know" oddballs like that. But should we be designing for their
>hopelessly devout adherence to antiquated technology?

>
Of core snot.
>
>

If that was a typo it's the best one I've ever seen!

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[Chris F.A. Johnson]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

On 2008-04-18, Ed Mullen wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

>Ed Mullen wrote:
>>

>>Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Dave Rado wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
>>>>>differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is* IE5.5,
>>>>>is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running v6 in
>>>>Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on Win98
>>>>and a slew of modern web browsers as well....
>>>I know a guy (for values of "know" that include people I've plonked) who
>>>is still using a 486. And he wears that like a Congressional
>>>commendation .
>>We all "know" oddballs like that. But should we be designing for their
>>hopelessly devout adherence to antiquated technology?

>>
>Of core snot.

>
If that was a typo

Who nose?

it's the best one I've ever seen!

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Author:
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[Blinky the Shark]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Ed Mullen wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

>Ed Mullen wrote:
>>

>>Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>>Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Dave Rado wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>that I keep being told here that I don't, my IE5.5 users beg to
>>>>>differ); so supporting IE6 in quirks mode, which in effect *is*
>>>>>IE5.5, is actually no extra support for me at all. In fact running
>>>>>v6 in
>>>>Pardon me, but who the hell is still using IE5x? IE6 Will run on
>>>>Win98 and a slew of modern web browsers as well....
>>>I know a guy (for values of "know" that include people I've plonked)
>>>who is still using a 486. And he wears that like a Congressional
>>>commendation .
>>We all "know" oddballs like that. But should we be designing for their
>>hopelessly devout adherence to antiquated technology?

>>
>Of core snot.
>>

If that was a typo it's the best one I've ever seen!

Hooda thunkit?


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[Bergamot]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Dave Rado wrote:

On 17 Apr, 04:44, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

>Dave Rado wrote:
>>

been told by several css experts that IE6's strict mode simply cannot
display that code properly, due to its bugs.

>>
>Now I'm really skeptical.

>
If I'm going to spend time
putting together a highly complex mock-up, it would have to be on the
understanding that you're willing to put a substantial amount of time
into finding another fix to the problem

If you expect anyone to put in a "substantia l amount of time" you should
also expect to be billed for it.

In fact running v6 in
strict mode would actually increase the amount of maintenance

I still can't fathom why. You're awfully vague about it. Care to post a
"for instance"?

because at present I can use the star hack to support both
5.5 and 6 without additional stylesheets,

And you can do that with IE6 running in standards mode, as well.

BTAIM, you are seemingly ignoring the fact that "support" and "look the
same" are 2 different things. I support IE 5.x, and other old browsers,
too, but by making sure the content is usable. I make no attempt to have
the exact same visuals as the latest Firefox or Opera. *That* would be
unnecessary work, but it sounds like that is what you have already done.

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[Dave Rado]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

On 18 Apr, 04:44, Bergamot <berga...@visi. comwrote:

Dave Rado wrote:

If you expect anyone to put in a "substantia l amount of time" you should
also expect to be billed for it.

Exactly and as it's not me who wants to change my setup, it's you who
wants me to change it, this conversation is pointless, so please could
we stick to the topics being posted about. The topic I posted about is
unaffected by whether IE6 is running in quirks or strict mode.

As for no-one using IE5.5, there are a lot more of them than there are
Opera users, and nearly as many of them as there are Safari users
(Windows and Mac combined). I have not posted a single query here that
only applies to IE5.5 or to IE6 in quirks mode - all the problems I've
posted about apply equally to IE6 in strict mode and some even apply
to IE7 in strict mode, so this discussion is off topic as well as
pointless.

Dave

[Bergamot]

Re: Rollover problem with text anchor

Dave Rado wrote:

>
stick to the topics being posted about.

You forget this is Usenet. We are free to discuss your query in any way
we see fit as long as it stays on topic for the group, and I'm
completely on topic.

Like so many others who post here, you sound like you've decided on a
solution without really defining the problem. Subsequently, you may be
going about it badly and fixing the wrong problem. Happens all the time.
Hack away if that's what you want to do.

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Berg