Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

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I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around usenet
"rules" when this whole internet/web/usenet thinggy seems essentially
a nicely "wild" thing to me....
>

Dear POW, I think "rules" is too strong a phrase. "courteous behavior"
might be a better description.... Except for moderated newsgroups, we all
depend on restraint by all readers to keep a newgroup at least
semi-readable. There are horrible examples out there of very busy
newsgroups with huge volumes of offtopic posts...

Tom


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Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

In article
<a1177587-76d7-4a85-9f59-7151ade89f8d@b1 g2000hsg.google groups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:

On May 11, 8:11 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

I like this *shorter* post. Not at all bad. (Wait to get abused badly by
JS).

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Oh, is he the self-appointed hallway monitor in this asylum? Okay,
understood;

Not sure which group - truth is, I don't subscribe to most on the list
in your post, I wonder if that is why JR's posts are getting past my
filters? Never mind.

>

Some people laughingly say how their favorite ng is not a free help
desk and then go on to outline the price in blood!

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It's just ideas over the transom of the aether to me...I don't know
why people get so personally invested in it...you're a human being,

er... well... not quite but it is a long story...

<g>

--
dorayme

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

On May 11, 8:11 pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT... @optusnet.com.a uwrote:

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I like this *shorter* post. Not at all bad. (Wait to get abused badly by
JS).

Oh, is he the self-appointed hallway monitor in this asylum? Okay,
understood; every newsgroup has got one or two or three or more such
folks. They spend time saying disagreeable things like
shutupnobodygiv esadamnyoumoron justfollowmyrul eswhichareforth ecommongoodofal l
and ironically contribute to usenet's demise about as much as an AOL
or Google.

Some people laughingly say how their favorite ng is not a free help
desk and then go on to outline the price in blood!

It's just ideas over the transom of the aether to me...I don't know
why people get so personally invested in it...you're a human being,
you naturally want to share your interests...why make an economic
transaction out of everything, whether the currency be in money or
blood or popular acclaim? I mean, if I knew the secret to life and
happiness, I'd naturally want to share it with whoever wanted to hear
it...why should I first require that they bow down to me in one way or
another before I would give of my self, my humanity?

--
dorayme

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

In article
<9a01c286-ca68-40fb-be6f-f54b2af51f5c@27 g2000hsf.google groups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comwrot e:

I'm sorry, but I just have a different conception of usenet -- it's a
gigantic bulletin board, and people ask, and respond, as they will.
Now you've just engaged in unprovoked and unwarranted ad hominem
attacks on me in that other thread concerning SBI! and here you're
talking about rules and etiquette??
>

Otherwise you'll soon find yourself with a reputation which will deter
people from helping you.

>
People who would "help" me only if I would leap through their hoops
are not genuinely interested in helping and sharing.
>
That's like some evangelicals who feed the homeless -- only after
making them sit through a sermon.
>
"Help" should be, as the Catholic nuns say, "do good, and disappear."
>

I like this *shorter* post. Not at all bad. (Wait to get abused badly by
JS). Some people laughingly say how their favorite ng is not a free help
desk and then go on to outline the price in blood!

--
dorayme

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

On May 11, 6:21 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

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>
Then may I suggest you READ before your WRITE. Read at least 2-3 weeks
worth of messages in a newsgroup (more, if it's a slow group) before
posting there. Ensure your posts will be welcome in that particular
newsgroup.

I'm sorry, but I just have a different conception of usenet -- it's a
gigantic bulletin board, and people ask, and respond, as they will.
Now you've just engaged in unprovoked and unwarranted ad hominem
attacks on me in that other thread concerning SBI! and here you're
talking about rules and etiquette??

Otherwise you'll soon find yourself with a reputation which will deter
people from helping you.

People who would "help" me only if I would leap through their hoops
are not genuinely interested in helping and sharing.

That's like some evangelicals who feed the homeless -- only after
making them sit through a sermon.

"Help" should be, as the Catholic nuns say, "do good, and disappear."

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jstuck...@attgl obal.net
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Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

Prisoner at War wrote:

On May 11, 3:22 pm, Rob McAninch <usenet2...@roc k13.comwrote:

>>
>No multiposting would typically be worse. Just pick a group or two,
>look for feedback. Incorporate it, then consider posting in another
>group to get a different angle.

>
Thanks, maybe I'll try to limit myself to only two or three groups in
the future, but I just thought that my question would be relevant to
the newsgroups I'd chosen.
>

>Crossposting to too may groups, often gets your messages filtered by
>either news servers or readers (as it is sign of spam). Or may lead to
>many similar comments as a larger number of people are replying at
>about the same time.

>
Yes, "duplicate" comments could be an issue, but it seems fairly
minor. As for spam, well, someone could easily just spam to one
newsgroup at a time, too, to get around filters and whatnot. I don't
see why someone like me should be "penalized" for that...that's like
saying everyone bearing a U.S. passport ought to be inconvenienced due
the actions of others who also bear U.S. passports.
>
I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around usenet
"rules" when this whole internet/web/usenet thinggy seems essentially
a nicely "wild" thing to me....
>

>--
>Rob McAninchhttp://rock13.com/

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>

Then may I suggest you READ before your WRITE. Read at least 2-3 weeks
worth of messages in a newsgroup (more, if it's a slow group) before
posting there. Ensure your posts will be welcome in that particular
newsgroup.

Otherwise you'll soon find yourself with a reputation which will deter
people from helping you.


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Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

On May 11, 3:22 pm, Rob McAninch <usenet2...@roc k13.comwrote:

>
>
No multiposting would typically be worse. Just pick a group or two,
look for feedback. Incorporate it, then consider posting in another
group to get a different angle.

Thanks, maybe I'll try to limit myself to only two or three groups in
the future, but I just thought that my question would be relevant to
the newsgroups I'd chosen.

Crossposting to too may groups, often gets your messages filtered by
either news servers or readers (as it is sign of spam). Or may lead to
many similar comments as a larger number of people are replying at
about the same time.

Yes, "duplicate" comments could be an issue, but it seems fairly
minor. As for spam, well, someone could easily just spam to one
newsgroup at a time, too, to get around filters and whatnot. I don't
see why someone like me should be "penalized" for that...that's like
saying everyone bearing a U.S. passport ought to be inconvenienced due
the actions of others who also bear U.S. passports.

I'm sorry, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around usenet
"rules" when this whole internet/web/usenet thinggy seems essentially
a nicely "wild" thing to me....

--
Rob McAninchhttp://rock13.com/

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

On 2008-05-11 11:34:04 -0400, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_wa r@yahoo.comsaid :

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On May 11, 9:49 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

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>>
>I'd suggest you stop cross posting to so many newsgroups. If you want
>to discuss this, pick one or two whcih are appropriate and limit
>yourself to those.
>>
>Otherwise people are going to stop answering you.

>
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't understand "cross-posting
prejudice" -- I mean, my question is relevant to the newsgroups cross-
posted; I'm not asking about visitor psychology in rec.europe.trav el
or something! Am I supposed to post the same message to every
relevant newsgroup instead?? Just how does relevant cross-posting
detract from anyone's experience of usenet?

No multiposting would typically be worse. Just pick a group or two,
look for feedback. Incorporate it, then consider posting in another
group to get a different angle.

Crossposting to too may groups, often gets your messages filtered by
either news servers or readers (as it is sign of spam). Or may lead to
many similar comments as a larger number of people are replying at
about the same time.

--
Rob McAninch

http://rock13.com/

Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices


Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't understand "cross-posting
prejudice" -- I mean, my question is relevant to the newsgroups cross-
posted; I'm not asking about visitor psychology in rec.europe.trav el
or something! Am I supposed to post the same message to every
relevant newsgroup instead?? Just how does relevant cross-posting
detract from anyone's experience of usenet?


On May 11, 9:49 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

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I'd suggest you stop cross posting to so many newsgroups. If you want
to discuss this, pick one or two whcih are appropriate and limit
yourself to those.
>
Otherwise people are going to stop answering you.
>
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Re: Empty Forum and Advertising Prejudices

Prisoner at War wrote:

Well, speaking of SBI!...two of the things I've learned from them are
"empty forum prejudice" and "advertisin g prejudice"...ap parently, an
empty forum turns off visitors such that they never visit the site
again -- true?
>
SBI! recommends starting a forum -- if necessary in the first place --
only when there are at least fifty visitors a day; preferably one
hundred...but if empty forum prejudice does exist, could it be
successfully counters -- outright neutralized -- by good original
content??
>
And advertising prejudice...app arently there are people who stop
visiting a site when ads go up...nothing outrageous, now, like
constant pop-ups and fly-overs and animated banners...but apparently
there are people who just don't like any advertising at all -- and
these directory editors are among them! Is that true, too?? Why
should people have no problem (or very little) with "old media" like
newspapers being supported by advertising but have such a problem with
websites that do the same, even those they had previously enjoyed,
such that they never visit again??
>
>
As always, many thanks for all your time and help!
>

I'd suggest you stop cross posting to so many newsgroups. If you want
to discuss this, pick one or two whcih are appropriate and limit
yourself to those.

Otherwise people are going to stop answering you.

--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attgl obal.net
=============== ===

Well, speaking of SBI!...two of the things I've learned from them are
"empty forum prejudice" and "advertisin g prejudice"...ap parently, an
empty forum turns off visitors such that they never visit the site
again -- true?

SBI! recommends starting a forum -- if necessary in the first place --
only when there are at least fifty visitors a day; preferably one
hundred...but if empty forum prejudice does exist, could it be
successfully counters -- outright neutralized -- by good original
content??

And advertising prejudice...app arently there are people who stop
visiting a site when ads go up...nothing outrageous, now, like
constant pop-ups and fly-overs and animated banners...but apparently
there are people who just don't like any advertising at all -- and
these directory editors are among them! Is that true, too?? Why
should people have no problem (or very little) with "old media" like
newspapers being supported by advertising but have such a problem with
websites that do the same, even those they had previously enjoyed,
such that they never visit again??


As always, many thanks for all your time and help!