Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

**Petr Vileta** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

Deepan HTML wrote:

Hi All,
Currently i am working in a framed environment where i have
divided the window as 20% and 80% and the 20% is used for navigation
purpose and right frame for displaying the orignal content. Now i want
to Disable ad Enable the menu items which are placed in the left frame
for navigation purpose.
>
Can any of you input me with any idea as how to proceed? If you
need any other information then please let me know.
>

There is two possible ways to do it.
First way is to use javascript and it is relatively simple. You define
javascript function to control menu item status and call it as onload() at all
right pages with 2 parameters - item id and needed state. For example
<body onload="setmenu ('first','disab le')">
This way you can use for static html pages.

Second way is to use scripts (Perl CGI or PHP) to generate frameset and left
page. In this case you must use links to frameset with parameters and this
script (for generating frameset) pass paramaters to other script for
generating left menu. This way is relatively more complex but work even if
user have javascript disabled.

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**Jonathan N. Little** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

Petr Vileta wrote:

Second way is to use scripts (Perl CGI or PHP) to generate frameset and
left page. In this case you must use links to frameset with parameters
and this script (for generating frameset) pass paramaters to other
script for generating left menu. This way is relatively more complex but
work even if user have javascript disabled.

If doing it this way then dispense with frames all together!

how to include one html file in another - Google Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+include+one+html+file+in+another&btnG=Google+Search

how to include one html file in another - Google Search

why frames are evil - Google Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+frames+are+evil&btnG=Search

why frames are evil - Google Search

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**Petr Vileta** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Petr Vileta wrote:
>

>Second way is to use scripts (Perl CGI or PHP) to generate frameset
>and left page. In this case you must use links to frameset with
>parameters and this script (for generating frameset) pass paramaters
>to other script for generating left menu. This way is relatively
>more complex but work even if user have javascript disabled.

>
If doing it this way then dispense with frames all together!
>

how to include one html file in another - Google Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+include+one+html+file+in+another&btnG=Google+Search

how to include one html file in another - Google Search
>
>

why frames are evil - Google Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+frames+are+evil&btnG=Search

why frames are evil - Google Search

Yes, I know it, but original question was be about "How to do for frames" ;-)
(see Subject)
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**Bergamot** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

Petr Vileta wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...il&btnG=Search
>why frames are evil - Google Search

>
Yes, I know it, but original question was be about "How to do for frames" ;-)

If you asked how you could shoot yourself in the foot, don't you think
we'd rather talk you out of it than provide step-by-step instructions?

(see Subject)

Welcome to Usenet. ;)

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**Jonathan N. Little** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

Petr Vileta wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>Petr Vileta wrote:
>>

>>Second way is to use scripts (Perl CGI or PHP) to generate frameset
>>and left page. In this case you must use links to frameset with
>>parameters and this script (for generating frameset) pass paramaters
>>to other script for generating left menu. This way is relatively
>>more complex but work even if user have javascript disabled.

>>
>If doing it this way then dispense with frames all together!
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
>>
>how to include one html file in another - Google Search
>>
>>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...il&btnG=Search
>why frames are evil - Google Search

>
Yes, I know it, but original question was be about "How to do for
frames" ;-) (see Subject)

Yes but if you are employing server-side then there is no need for
frames in the first place. Frames was an early *hack* to modularize
webpage development when server-side scripting was being developed and
both expensive and not widely available. Again with my favorite analogy,
why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
chainsaw?

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**David E. Ross** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

On 4/21/2008 6:07 AM, Petr Vileta wrote [in part]:

Deepan HTML wrote:

>Hi All,
> Currently i am working in a framed environment where i have
>divided the window as 20% and 80% and the 20% is used for navigation
>purpose and right frame for displaying the orignal content. Now i want
>to Disable ad Enable the menu items which are placed in the left frame
>for navigation purpose.
>>
> Can any of you input me with any idea as how to proceed? If you
>need any other information then please let me know.
>>

There is two possible ways to do it.
First way is to use javascript and it is relatively simple. You define
javascript function to control menu item status and call it as onload() at all
right pages with 2 parameters - item id and needed state. For example
<body onload="setmenu ('first','disab le')">
This way you can use for static html pages.

Gecko-based browsers (Firefox, SeaMonkey, Camino, and others) have the
user option to disable JavaScript from affecting context menus without
completely disabling JavaScript.

--
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<http://www.rossde.com/>

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Then use SeaMonkey. Go to <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/>.

**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

In article <676505F2nqtelU 2@mid.individua l.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi. comwrote:

Petr Vileta wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>

why frames are evil - Google Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=why+frames+are+evil&btnG=Search

why frames are evil - Google Search

Yes, I know it, but original question was be about "How to do for frames"
;-)

>
If you asked how you could shoot yourself in the foot, don't you think
we'd rather talk you out of it than provide step-by-step instructions?
>

(see Subject)

>
Welcome to Usenet. ;)

Welcome to the hysterical fundamentalisms that liken using frames to
shooting oneself.

--
dorayme

**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

In article <3434f$480de160 $40cba7d0$10126 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:

Again with my favorite analogy,
why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
chainsaw?

Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
dangerous. Any other analogies?

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dorayme

**Jonathan N. Little** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

dorayme wrote:

In article <3434f$480de160 $40cba7d0$10126 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>

>Again with my favorite analogy,
>why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
>chainsaw?

>
Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
dangerous. Any other analogies?
>

Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.

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Jonathan
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**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

In article <e1c67$480e7c60 $40cba7d0$20483 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:

dorayme wrote:

In article <3434f$480de160 $40cba7d0$10126 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:

Again with my favorite analogy,
why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
chainsaw?

Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
dangerous. Any other analogies?

>
Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.

This is not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you have never been
to the NSW Royal Easter Show to see what a true blue can do with an axe
and fast!

Perhaps you have never climbed a tree to bring down a branch as thick as
a tree and taken up an axe or a simple bow saw for the job because these
are much easier and lighter and safer! A good bow saw cutting a branch
is easier than is supposed, the weight of the branch opening up the cut
nicely.

The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
older tools.

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dorayme

**Jonathan N. Little** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

dorayme wrote:

In article <e1c67$480e7c60 $40cba7d0$20483 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>

>dorayme wrote:

>>In article <3434f$480de160 $40cba7d0$10126 @NAXS.COM>,
>> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>>>
>>>Again with my favorite analogy,
>>>why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
>>>chainsaw?
>>Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
>>dangerous. Any other analogies?
>>>

>Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.

>
This is not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you have never been
to the NSW Royal Easter Show to see what a true blue can do with an axe
and fast!

No, but I *obviously* a true blue can do the same much faster and easier
with a saw.

>
Perhaps you have never climbed a tree to bring down a branch as thick as
a tree and taken up an axe

Use them with both feet on the ground. Axes while in a tree is not a
good combination.

or a simple bow saw for the job because these
are much easier and lighter and safer! A good bow saw cutting a branch
is easier than is supposed, the weight of the branch opening up the cut
nicely.

I use a bow saw.

>
The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
older tools.
>

If the objective is to drop a tree, and there is an ax and a saw before
you, unless one is a masochist, the obvious choice is the saw.

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Jonathan
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**Ed Mullen** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

dorayme wrote:

In article <e1c67$480e7c60 $40cba7d0$20483 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>

>dorayme wrote:

>>In article <3434f$480de160 $40cba7d0$10126 @NAXS.COM>,
>> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>>>
>>>Again with my favorite analogy,
>>>why would a lumberjack cling to his ax after the development of the
>>>chainsaw?
>>Because it is easy to carry and much easier to sharpen and is much less
>>dangerous. Any other analogies?
>>>

>Obviously you've never chopped down a tree with an ax.

>
This is not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you have never been
to the NSW Royal Easter Show to see what a true blue can do with an axe
and fast!

Ask that competition performer to keep that up all day long like that.
He can't. But he could with a chain saw. Ever hear the old folk song
"John Henry?"

Perhaps you have never climbed a tree to bring down a branch as thick as
a tree and taken up an axe or a simple bow saw for the job because these
are much easier and lighter and safer! A good bow saw cutting a branch
is easier than is supposed, the weight of the branch opening up the cut
nicely.

Nonsense. I have. Give me the chain saw every time. I'll do it faster
and easier.

The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
older tools.

No, it does not. The choice of tools, however, has nothing to do with
the existence of the tools. you are confusing, or deliberately
obfuscating, the differences.

Normally I ignore your faults in logic because you are being somehow
charming or amusing. Don't abuse the leeway you're being afforded.

--
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**dorayme** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

In article <e43ee$480eb9f0 $40cba7d0$30965 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:

dorayme wrote:
>

The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
older tools.

>
If the objective is to drop a tree, and there is an ax and a saw before
you, unless one is a masochist, the obvious choice is the [chain] saw.

Not if your big burly axe-murderer neighbour is asleep... (though there
is a remedy here, you cut so it falls over his bed-room and kill two ...)

Anyway, chainsaws remind me of the Irish migrant seeking work in an
Australian forestry company. Have you any experience asks the boss. No.
O well, look, 'ave a go but remember, it is piece work and goes by the
number of trees you fell. He hands him the chainsaw.

End of the day the boss asks him how many and Paddy says, well, just
one! The boss shakes his head and pays him a miserable amount and says
to come again if he really needs to! Paddy comes again next day and
manages two trees. The boss says to come next day and he will go out
with him to see if he can give him some tips on technique.

Day comes and they set out into the forest and the boss grabs the saw
and says "Now, watch my sawing angle and pressure..." as he pulls the
chord to start the thing. The Irishman jumps back in fright and screams
"What's that noise?"

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**Jonathan N. Little** · Jun 27 '08, 07:14 PM

Re: Frames -- Disable/Enable Menus

dorayme wrote:

In article <e43ee$480eb9f0 $40cba7d0$30965 @NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@centra l.netwrote:
>

>dorayme wrote:
>>

>>The development of the chain saw does not preclude the use of simpler or
>>older tools.
>>>

>If the objective is to drop a tree, and there is an ax and a saw before
>you, unless one is a masochist, the obvious choice is the [chain] saw.

Actually just about *any* saw beats the ax in efficiency when felling a
tree.

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Jonathan
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