Fully Portable Big Number Library

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I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
it in C.

What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.

So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

[Phil Carmody]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <toe@lavabit.co mwrites:

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
it in C.
>
What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>
So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

GMP is supported on a very large number of platforms, and is very
efficient as it's had a lot of effort spent optimising it. It
achieves its portability via the traditional mechanism of a
fairly thorough platform-differentiating configuration stage,
and plenty of use of the pre-processor. Only small amounts of
the code actually being compiled are identical on all platforms.
I use GMP for all my 'small' bignum work (up to a few thousand
digits).

For something simpler, and designed with the express intention
of being a learning experience in how bignums can be implemented
for both the author and user, there's also a library called
'libtommath' which is I believe public domain. It might not work
in "36-bit la-la land", but seems to be portable across modern
32- and 64-bit architectures. (I think I've also run it on 16-bit
architectures too.) That might be good enough for your needs.

Google is your friend.

Phil
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[vippstar@gmail.com]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On Oct 27, 1:41 pm, Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
it in C.
>
What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>
So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.
Your questions (and my answers) are:

What's the best Big Number library for C?

Define best (your subject suggests 'fully portable' = 'best', however
you don't mention it in the body of your article)

Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

Yes

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

vippstar@gmail. com said:

On Oct 27, 1:41 pm, Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

>I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
>project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
>it in C.
>>
>What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
>represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
>which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>>
>So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
>number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
>Number library?

>
First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.

Why? It seems to me that the topic of this group is C programming,
regardless of platform. Library usage is certainly a part of programming.
Okay, I can understand - and agree - that detailed discussions on the
usage of platform-specific libraries is off-topic here, but what he's
asking for is a fully portable library.

I know of one reason why people might demur from helping the OP, but
topicality isn't it.

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[Ian Collins]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

vippstar@gmail. com wrote:

On Oct 27, 1:41 pm, Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

>I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
>project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
>it in C.
>>
>What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
>represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
>which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>>
>So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
>number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
>Number library?

>
First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.
Your questions (and my answers) are:
>

>What's the best Big Number library for C?

>
Define best (your subject suggests 'fully portable' = 'best', however
you don't mention it in the body of your article)
>

>Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
>Number library?

>
Yes

Well that was about as helpful as a fart in a wetsuit, wasn't it?

--
Ian Collins

[Richard Harter]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:03:09 +0000, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@see.sig.in validwrote:

>vippstar@gmail .com said:
>

>On Oct 27, 1:41 pm, Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

>>I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
>>project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
>>it in C.
>>>
>>What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
>>represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
>>which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>>>
>>So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
>>number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
>>Number library?

>>
>First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.

>
>Why? It seems to me that the topic of this group is C programming,
>regardless of platform. Library usage is certainly a part of programming.
>Okay, I can understand - and agree - that detailed discussions on the
>usage of platform-specific libraries is off-topic here, but what he's
>asking for is a fully portable library.
>
>I know of one reason why people might demur from helping the OP, but
>topicality isn't it.

Well said. In almost all other language groups, the focus is on
programming in that language. Naturally the details of the
language standard(s) (if any) are part of the discussion, but
they are not the entirety.






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[Don Bruder]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

In article
<d93c8295-e65f-4480-adcd-e2f6f77d9587@w1 g2000prk.google groups.com>,
Tomas O hEilidhe <toe@lavabit.co mwrote:

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
it in C.
>
What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>
So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

Have you looked into "MIRACL"? I've long since forgotten what the
letters stand for, and have no idea if it's still available, but it was
a C library I used a few years back when I was tinkering with some
*REALLY* big numbers as part of a crypto project. According to memory,
the only practical limitation on it was available RAM - In theory, you
could use it for doing all the math primitives (as well as input and
formatted output, ala printf(), plus several built-in crypto functions)
with arbitrary-length numbers - 5 decimal digits? No problem. 50 of 'em?
500? 5000? Still no problem, although if you expected to exceed a
certain number of decimal digits (I forget the exact number now) you
needed to twiddle a #define in one of the header files and recompile the
library.

Largest number I ever personally saw come out of it (as an intermediate
result from a calculation in the crypto project) took a little less than
8 full screens worth of decimal digits to output to the 80x24 display of
the old Apple //e I was working on at the time. (Which should also tell
you that it's portable, and not all that big... I compiled it for the
enhanced //e's 65C02 processor under Manx Aztec C, and the program that
linked it ran in the main 64K bank of RAM.)

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[user923005]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On Oct 27, 4:41 am, Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
it in C.
>
What's the best Big Number library for C? I need to be able to
represent the number (95 ^ 63), which is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63,
which is about 2 ^ 416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.
>
So I need to be able to do division and multiplication on a 512-Bit
number. Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
Number library?

Maybe this can help you:

http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/benchs/timings-mpfr.html

I am fond of MPFR.

[Lew Pitcher]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On October 28, 2008 15:21, in comp.lang.c, Don Bruder (dakidd@sonic.n et)
wrote:

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library
From:
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.n et>  (Chaotic Creations Unlimited)
Date:
October 28, 2008 15:21:47
Groups:
comp.lang.c
In article
<d93c8295-e65f-4480-adcd-e2f6f77d9587@w1 g2000prk.google groups.com>,
Tomas O hEilidhe <toe@lavabit.co mwrote:
>

>I need a Big Number library. I've been considering switching my
>project to C++ but at the moment I'm exploring the avenue of keeping
>it in C.

[snip]

Have you looked into "MIRACL"? I've long since forgotten what the
letters stand for,

MIRACL stands for "Multipreci sion Integer and Rational Arithmetic C/C++
Library".

and have no idea if it's still available,

Apparently, it is. Take a look at http://www.shamus.ie/


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[Malcolm McLean]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

"Tomás Ó hÉilidhe" <toe@lavabit.co mwrote in message

>
What's the best Big Number library for C?
>

A libraries become faster they become bigger and more difficult to set up.
If speed is your priority you could do worse than use a GNU job that uses
things like Fast Fourier transforms for multiplications .

If you simply want a not grossly-inefficient library to drop into code, pull
over the Basic Algorithms bignum source file, from my website.

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[user923005]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On Oct 28, 2:01 pm, "Malcolm McLean" <regniz...@btin ternet.comwrote :

"Tomás Ó hÉilidhe" <t...@lavabit.c omwrote in message
>

What's the best Big Number library for C?

>
A libraries become faster they become bigger and more difficult to set up..

I generally find it is no more difficult than:
../configure
make

If you are using a PC, then the MINGW toolchain is an easy way to
build GNU style projects.

If speed is your priority you could do worse than use a GNU job that uses
things like Fast Fourier transforms for multiplications .
>
If you simply want a not grossly-inefficient library to drop into code, pull
over the Basic Algorithms bignum source file, from my website.

[Peter Nilsson]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering
switching my project to C++ but at the moment I'm
exploring the avenue of keeping it in C.
>
What's the best Big Number library for C? I need
to be able to represent the number (95 ^ 63), which
is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63, which is about 2 ^
416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.

<http://groups.google.c om/group/comp.lang.c/msg/696064e8b22a223 d>

So I need to be able to do division and multiplication
on a 512-Bit number.

Ah well in that case, add another 10 minutes onto the 2
spent implementing multiplication. :-)

Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular
Big Number library?

I've had good experiences with the simplest of primary
school algorithms.[1] In recent times, I only resort to
genuine bignum algorithms or libraries when the
calculation looks like taking days, not minutes.

Couple your code if you have to, but first determine
that you actually have to.

[1] Try calculating the 73 digit base 16 narcissistic
numbers, with or without a bignumb library.

--
Peter

[CBFalconer]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

Ian Collins wrote:

vippstar@gmail. com wrote:

>Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:
>>

.... snip ...

>>
>First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.
>Your questions (and my answers) are:
>>

>>What's the best Big Number library for C?

>>
>Define best (your subject suggests 'fully portable' = 'best',
>however you don't mention it in the body of your article)
>>

>>Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular Big
>>Number library?

>>
>Yes

>
Well that was about as helpful as a fart in a wetsuit, wasn't it?

Which may be a great relief to the farter. :-) Define terms.

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Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

Richard Harter wrote:

Richard Heathfield <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote:

>vippstar@gmail. com said:
>>

.... snip ...

>>

>>First of all, asking for advice on libraries here is off-topic.

>>
>Why? It seems to me that the topic of this group is C programming,
>regardless of platform. Library usage is certainly a part of
>programming. Okay, I can understand - and agree - that detailed
>discussions on the usage of platform-specific libraries is off-
>topic here, but what he's asking for is a fully portable library.
>>
>I know of one reason why people might demur from helping the OP,
>but topicality isn't it.

>
Well said. In almost all other language groups, the focus is on
programming in that language. Naturally the details of the
language standard(s) (if any) are part of the discussion, but
they are not the entirety.

Well, the topic is portable C programming, as defined by the
standard. To me, this means libraries are topical, provided that
the library source is available, and primarily in standard C.
Queries about library availability seems quite topical too.

Observation: Big Number libraries do not require non-standard C.

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[user923005]

Re: Fully Portable Big Number Library

On Oct 28, 2:51 pm, Peter Nilsson <ai...@acay.com .auwrote:

Tomás Ó hÉilidhe <t...@lavabit.c omwrote:
>

I need a Big Number library. I've been considering
switching my project to C++ but at the moment I'm
exploring the avenue of keeping it in C.

>

What's the best Big Number library for C? I need
to be able to represent the number (95 ^ 63), which
is approximately (2 ^ 6.6) ^ 63, which is about 2 ^
416, so we're talking about maybe a 512-Bit number.

>
<http://groups.google.c om/group/comp.lang.c/msg/696064e8b22a223 d>
>

So I need to be able to do division and multiplication
on a 512-Bit number.

>
Ah well in that case, add another 10 minutes onto the 2
spent implementing multiplication. :-)
>

Has anyone here had good experiences with a particular
Big Number library?

>
I've had good experiences with the simplest of primary
school algorithms.[1] In recent times, I only resort to
genuine bignum algorithms or libraries when the
calculation looks like taking days, not minutes.
>
Couple your code if you have to, but first determine
that you actually have to.
>
[1] Try calculating the 73 digit base 16 narcissistic
numbers, with or without a bignumb library.

http://homepages.cwi.nl/~dik/english/mathematics/armstrong.html