q3b

[Bill Cunningham]

Mark,

I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post another way
of doing it and I don't know how to include spaces. But the program works.

Bill

#include <stdio.h>

int main (void) {
char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6'} ;
printf("%s\n",a );
}

[Ben Bacarisse]

Re: q3b

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c omwrites:

Mark,
>
I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post another way
of doing it and I don't know how to include spaces. But the program
works.

You were unlucky. I have more luck, it seems. On my system I get:

0123456�-��H.��P t���lï¿½ï ¿½ÐƒH.��Ptï ¿½ï¿½

Do you know why?

#include <stdio.h>
>
int main (void) {
char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6'} ;

I am surprised that:

char a[]={'0',' ','1',' ','2',' ','3',' ','4',' ','5',' ','6'};

did not occur to you. Knowing why you did not think of it is probably
more helpful than getting the program right. For example, did you
look for, and not find, a special escape sequence for a space
character (like there is for newline: '\n'). If so what did you do
when you did not find it? Maybe you simply did not know how to write
a space and you don't know any way to find such things out. I have a
feeling that examining these questions will be more helpful to you
than someone telling you how to write a space.

printf("%s\n",a );
}

--
Ben.

[Bill Cunningham]

Re: q3b


"Ben Bacarisse" <ben.usenet@bsb .me.ukwrote in message
news:87fxpv5asv .fsf@bsb.me.uk. ..

I am surprised that:
>
char a[]={'0',' ','1',' ','2',' ','3',' ','4',' ','5',' ','6'};
>
Actually it did enter my mind but I figured some strange code would occur.

did not occur to you. Knowing why you did not think of it is probably

more helpful than getting the program right. For example, did you
look for, and not find, a special escape sequence for a space
character (like there is for newline: '\n'). If so what did you do
when you did not find it? Maybe you simply did not know how to write
a space and you don't know any way to find such things out. I have a
feeling that examining these questions will be more helpful to you
than someone telling you how to write a space.
>

> printf("%s\n",a );
> }

>
--
Ben.

[Wolfgang Draxinger]

Re: q3b

Ben Bacarisse wrote:

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c omwrites:

> Mark,
>>
>I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post
>another way of doing it and I don't know how to include
>spaces. But the program works.

You were unlucky. I have more luck, it seems. On my system I
get:

0123456�-��H.��P t���lï¿½ï ¿½ÐƒH.��Ptï ¿½ï¿½

Do you know why?

Think "Zero terminated string".

char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6', '\0'};

or

char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6', 0}; /* mind the missing
single quotes here */

Wolfgang Draxinger
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[Ben Bacarisse]

Re: q3b

Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxinger@dar kstargames.dewr ites:

Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>

>"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c omwrites:
>>

>> Mark,
>>>
>>I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post
>>another way of doing it and I don't know how to include
>>spaces. But the program works.

>>
>You were unlucky. I have more luck, it seems. On my system I
>get:
>>
>0123456�-��H.��P t���lï¿½ï ¿½ÐƒH.��Ptï ¿½ï¿½
>>
>Do you know why?

>
Think "Zero terminated string".

Well, I knew that...

char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6', '\0'};

Oh, well, so much for hoping Bill will work it out!

--
Ben.

[Keith Thompson]

Re: q3b

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c omwrites:

I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post another way
of doing it and I don't know how to include spaces. But the program works.
>
Bill
>
#include <stdio.h>
>
int main (void) {
char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6'} ;
printf("%s\n",a );
}

No, it doesn't "work". It doesn't satisfy the stated requirements.

Here's another program that doesn't satisfy the stated requirements:

int main(void) { return 0; }

It "works" too.

--
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Nokia
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Barry Schwarz]

Re: q3b

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:45:23 GMT, "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c om>
wrote:

Mark,
>
>I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post another way
>of doing it and I don't know how to include spaces. But the program works.
>
>Bill
>
>#include <stdio.h>
>
>int main (void) {
char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6'} ;
printf("%s\n",a );
}
>

The only thing this program does is invoke undefined behavior. Since
you started a new thread, haven't told us what the program is supposed
to do, but do claim it works, I will give you the benefit of the doubt
and wonder why you are writing programs specifically to invoke
undefined behavior.


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[Richard]

Re: q3b

Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel. comwrites:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:45:23 GMT, "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.c om>
wrote:
>

> Mark,
>>
>>I don't know how to do this with spaces or for. So I will post another way
>>of doing it and I don't know how to include spaces. But the program works.
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>#include <stdio.h>
>>
>>int main (void) {
> char a[]={'0','1','2',' 3','4','5','6'} ;
> printf("%s\n",a );
> }
>>

>
The only thing this program does is invoke undefined behavior. Since
you started a new thread, haven't told us what the program is supposed
to do, but do claim it works, I will give you the benefit of the doubt
and wonder why you are writing programs specifically to invoke
undefined behavior.

If you are going to confuse an obviously already confused person like
Bill with such a damning of his work, do you not think it might be a nice
idea to describe WHY you think his program produces undefined behaviour?

>
>
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(It might be nice if your put this below a .sig delimiter)

[Barry Schwarz]

Re: q3b

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:47:33 +0200, Richard<rgrdev@ gmail.comwrote:

>Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel. comwrites:

snip

>>
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>
>(It might be nice if your put this below a .sig delimiter)

I have tried to add a line -- \n before the demunging instructions.
Does it serve as the proper delimiter?

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[Richard Heathfield]

Re: q3b

Barry Schwarz said:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:47:33 +0200, Richard<rgrdev@ gmail.comwrote:
>

>>Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel. comwrites:

snip
>

>>>
>>Remove del for email

>>
>>(It might be nice if your put this below a .sig delimiter)

>
I have tried to add a line -- \n before the demunging instructions.
Does it serve as the proper delimiter?

Yes. Good chap.

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[Wolfgang Draxinger]

Re: q3b

Ben Bacarisse wrote:

Oh, well, so much for hoping Bill will work it out!

Well, some people just need direct awnsers to learn things. I
hated it, then in math classes (university) we just got a bunch
of exercises "to work them out", and everytime you asked some
question out of curiousity all you got as an awnser were hints
in which direction, and which book the solution might be.

Why not just tell, how things are? This gives the person who asks
the possibility to think a few seconds about it and maybe ask
the next question, based on new insight due to the first awnser.

Wolfgang Draxinger
--
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[vippstar@gmail.com]

Re: q3b

On Jul 28, 4:16 am, Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxin...@dar kstargames.de>
wrote:

Ben Bacarisse wrote:

Oh, well, so much for hoping Bill will work it out!

Bill _can_ work it out, but he doesn't show it because he's a troll.

Well, some people just need direct awnsers to learn things. I

I thought this was a typo, but since you repeated it, it's "answer".

hated it, then in math classes (university) we just got a bunch
of exercises "to work them out", and everytime you asked some
question out of curiousity all you got as an awnser were hints
in which direction, and which book the solution might be.
>
Why not just tell, how things are? This gives the person who asks
the possibility to think a few seconds about it and maybe ask
the next question, based on new insight due to the first awnser.

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish;
and you have fed him for a lifetime".

Which pretty much means that if one gives you the answer directly,
you'll seek answers from him. If one teaches you to find the answers,
you won't need anyone else but yourself.

[Wolfgang Draxinger]

Re: q3b

vippstar@gmail. com wrote:

I thought this was a typo, but since you repeated it, it's
"answer".

Not again... This is the word I keep to misspell constantly.

answer, answer, answer, answer, ans... WTH:
for(int i=0; i<100; ++i) printf("answer, ");

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to
fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime".
>
Which pretty much means that if one gives you the answer
directly, you'll seek answers from him. If one teaches you to
find the answers, you won't need anyone else but yourself.

Give a man a fish and he might get the idea, where to get food
from.

Wolfgang Draxinger
--
E-Mail address works, Jabber: hexarith@jabber .org, ICQ: 134682867

[vippstar@gmail.com]

Re: q3b

On Jul 28, 10:35 pm, Wolfgang Draxinger <wdraxin...@dar kstargames.de>
wrote:

vipps...@gmail. com wrote:

"Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to
fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime".

>

Which pretty much means that if one gives you the answer
directly, you'll seek answers from him. If one teaches you to
find the answers, you won't need anyone else but yourself.

>
Give a man a fish and he might get the idea, where to get food
from.

Yeah, the idea he'll get is to get the food from _you_, not from
fishing. I hope you do see my point now.

[S James S Stapleton]

Re: q3b

Yeah, the idea he'll get is to get the food from _you_, not from
fishing. I hope you do see my point now.

Not necessarily. A man has only been eating 'chicken of the sea' (that's
canned, processed tuna).

If CotS suddenly stops producing, And you hand him a fishing pole and a net,
he's going to look at you funny.
That's what some people seem to thing is teaching a man to fish. Even if you
hand the guy a few tuna, and say 'you can use the pole and net to get them
from over in the ocean', he'll still look at you funny because he doesn't
have the context, he doesn't have the context to know those little fish can
be ground up to make his (revolting) culinary delight.

Yes, don't give the man a fish, teach him to fish. However, try to find what
context he has so you know what to teach him, rather than just showing some
little bit of stuff, which is likely as not, going to confuse him.

And when you hand him the pole when he's wondering how to get food, don't
say "betcha didn't think about using one of these, did ya?" Of course not.
He didn't have the context. Think about (or ask) /why/, otherwise you aren't
helping the person learn any more than you would just handing him a fish,
but instead of helping him in the short term, you are hurting him in the
short and long term.