Accessing flags

[kid joe]

Hi

What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
arithmetic operation.

[Walter Roberson]

Re: Accessing flags

In article <pan.2008.06.06 .21.36.14.93633 5@spamtrap.inva lid>,
kid joe <spamtrap@spamt rap.invalidwrot e:

>What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
>thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
>arithmetic operation.

There is no standard way of doing that in C; if you were able to
do it at all in your implementation, it would be by some
implementation-specific method.

Furthermore, on some processors, the status bits that exist are
not very persistant: if you had something like

a = b + c;

then after the addition of b + c then some processor status bit
might be set, but the subsequent move of the result into a might
end up changing the status bits.

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[Barry Schwarz]

Re: Accessing flags

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:36:14 +0100, kid joe
<spamtrap@spamt rap.invalidwrot e:

>Hi
>
>What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
>thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
>arithmetic operation.

By reading the documentation for your system and learning the system
specific method it provides for doing this. Alternately, you could
ask in a newsgroup that discusses your system.


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[Antoninus Twink]

Re: Accessing flags

On 6 Jun 2008 at 21:53, Walter Roberson wrote:

kid joe <spamtrap@spamt rap.invalidwrot e:

>>What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
>>thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
>>arithmetic operation.

>
Furthermore, on some processors, the status bits that exist are
not very persistant: if you had something like
>
a = b + c;
>
then after the addition of b + c then some processor status bit
might be set, but the subsequent move of the result into a might
end up changing the status bits.

Is there really any architecture where a mov instruction alters the
overflow or carry bit? It seems unlikely... On x86, moves don't modify
any flags at all.

[Eric Sosman]

Re: Accessing flags

kid joe wrote:

Hi
>
What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
arithmetic operation.

There's no "best way" because as far as C is concerned
there's no way at all. One tiny problem is that C can be
(and has been) implemented on machines that have no flags.

Unfortunately, this leaves the C programmer in a bit of a
bind when it comes to overflow detection. For some operations
on some data types you can inspect the results to determine
whether there was an overflow. For example,

unsigned int ua = ..., ub = ...;
unsigned int sum = ua + ub;
if (sum >= ua) {
/* the mathematical sum was in representable range */
}
else {
/* the sum was out of range and has been reduced */
}

However, this approach won't necessarily work for all types.
For signed integers an overflow can produce fatal (or at least
unwelcome) effects as soon as it occurs, so you can't wait until
afterwards: You need to prevent it from happening in the first
place. That leads to ugly code like

int sa = ..., sb = ...;
int sum;
if (sa >= 0) {
if (sb <= INT_MAX - sa)
sub = sa + sb;
else {
/* sum would be too large */
}
}
else {
if (sb >= sa - INT_MIN)
sum = sa + sb;
else {
/* sum would be too small */
}
}

In actual practice it's rare to see code of this sort even
in a few places, and you'll just never see it applied everywhere
in a program! What people usually do, for better or worse, is
choose data types that will (they think) be able to handle the
expected range of data without overflowing, and then cross their
fingers and pretend overflow can never happen. Often they're
right, but the results can be spectacular when they're wrong ...

Some C compilers on some machines provide non-portable
extensions to get at such information (plus some promises on
how overflows are handled, so the information can be useful).
Note, though, that just "reading the flags register" is most
likely not sufficient, since you'd need to check it after each
potentially problematic operation:

y = ((a * x + b) * x) + c;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) /* sorry; too late */

/* instead: */
y = a * x;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y += b;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y *= x;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y += c;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...

What would be Really Nice would be a "latching flag" that would
be set by any overflow and remain set until explicitly cleared:

clear_overflow_ latch();
y = ((a * x + b) * x) + c;
if (overflow_latch _is_set()) ...

However, there's no such thing -- not even a "volatile" flag --
in C itself, presumably because it would be punishingly slow
to provide on many machines. (C follows the long-established
tradition that speed is more important than correctness. ;-)

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Eric.Sosman@sun .com

[CBFalconer]

Re: Accessing flags

kid joe wrote:

>
What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register?
I'm thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag
after an arithmetic operation.

They are not available, and in fact may not even exist. In any
standard C system.

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[robertwessel2@yahoo.com]

Re: Accessing flags

On Jun 6, 5:15 pm, Antoninus Twink <nos...@nospam. invalidwrote:

On  6 Jun 2008 at 21:53, Walter Roberson wrote:
>

kid joe  <spamt...@spamt rap.invalidwrot e:

>What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
>thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
>arithmetic operation.

>

Furthermore, on some processors, the status bits that exist are
not very persistant: if you had something like

>

  a = b + c;

>

then after the addition of b + c then some processor status bit
might be set, but the subsequent move of the result into a might
end up changing the status bits.

>
Is there really any architecture where a mov instruction alters the
overflow or carry bit? It seems unlikely... On x86, moves don't modify
any flags at all.

The 6800 would clear (set to zero) overflow and set (to values correct
for the data moved) the zero and sign flags on loads, stores and
register to register moves, although it left the carry alone in those
cases. The 6502 would set the zero and sign bits on loads and
register to register moves (but leave overflow and carry alone, and
altered no flags on stores).

The other thing to remember is that if the program has to do any sort
of address computation during the store, that might have to alter the
flags as well. Nor is there any guarantee that the CPU in question
has flags (most RISCs), or that the flag modifying instructions are
actually used. For example, on x86 a compiler could use MMX/SSE
instructions to add numbers, or use something like LEA to add. In
fact the use of LEA is pretty common, especially if the expression is
slightly more complex: say “a = b+2*c;”.

[rio]

Re: Accessing flags


"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sosman@su n.comha scritto nel messaggio
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kid joe wrote:

>Hi

y = ((a * x + b) * x) + c;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) /* sorry; too late */
>
/* instead: */
y = a * x;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y += b;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y *= x;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
y += c;
if (overflow_flag_ is_set()) ...
>
What would be Really Nice would be a "latching flag" that would
be set by any overflow and remain set until explicitly cleared:
>
clear_overflow_ latch();
y = ((a * x + b) * x) + c;
if (overflow_latch _is_set()) ...

yes this can be the best

there is anhother way: define
a new integer type and an
aritmetic +, *, -, \
on that integer
so if somehting during the operation goes wrong the result is the integer
value OE [overflow error]
in the way x_NEW*y_NEW=x*y <= x * y not overflow
x_NEW*y_NEW=OE <=x*y overflow [or underflow?]
where "*" can be each possible operation

exaple
NewIntegerType a, x, b, c;
y = ((a * x + b) * x) + c;
if (y==OE) ...

However, there's no such thing -- not even a "volatile" flag --
in C itself, presumably because it would be punishingly slow
to provide on many machines. (C follows the long-established
tradition that speed is more important than correctness. ;-)
>
--
Eric.Sosman@sun .com

[Walter Banks]

Re: Accessing flags



kid joe wrote:

Hi
>
What's the best way in C to access the processor's flags register? I'm
thinking particularly of checking the carry or overflow flag after an
arithmetic operation.

C compilers that support ISO 18037 can directly access the
processor flags limited only by the processor access limits.

_register_cc cc;
or
register volatile _CC cc;

if (cc.v == 1) // test overflow

int a,b;

a = b + cc.c; // add with carry


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[Walter Roberson]

Re: Accessing flags

In article <484A6D48.280FC 244@bytecraft.c om>,
Walter Banks <walter@bytecra ft.comwrote:

>C compilers that support ISO 18037 can directly access the
>processor flags limited only by the processor access limits.

I didn't recall what ISO 18037 was, so I checked briefly; it appears
to be C extensions for embedded processors. Potentially useful
if you work with embedded processors, but not applicable to other
situations.
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