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**Eric Sosman** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

kaps wrote:

Hello
>
What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?

Something within me wants to answer "A stack of blank
paper and a Number 2 lead pencil," but I'm afraid it might
do you psychological damage if I were to say so.

Speaking for myself, I have never wanted an IDE for C
programming. It's helpful to have an editor that can alert
me when I mis-match my parentheses, and that can launch a
compilation and help me navigate the error messages. It's
also nice to point at an identifier and be taken to its
definition. But nowadays you'll find capabilities of this
kind in pretty much any programming editor you choose, even
in those that don't give themselves airs by claiming IDE-hood.

Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>
But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it. I tried to
setup CDT eclipse but could not compile C program.
>
Can somebody please tell me which IDE is best and from where to
download?

Considering my Luddite attitude you may wish to disregard
my opinion, but I'm content with the DJGPP compiler, library,
and tool chain. The Emacs editor is available as part of the
package if you want it; Emacs isn't to everyone's taste, but
taste is notoriously individual.

By the way, I make no claim that this (or any other)
programming environment is in any way "best." As has been
noted by others, there is no best way to define "best,"
and one programmer's best is another's beast.

--
Eric.Sosman@sun .com

**Walter Roberson** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

In article <145b17ea-ea3a-4910-9f83-3259ac0ea1e4@y1 8g2000pre.googl egroups.com>,
kaps <kaps2121@gmail .comwrote:

>What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?

FIG-Forth.

>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.

>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it. I tried to
>setup CDT eclipse but could not compile C program.

>Can somebody please tell me which IDE is best and from where to
>download?

Code listing is available in the August 1980 Byte Magazine.

By the way, next time you might want to supply some kind of objective
meaning for "best" instead of leaving it up to *my* interpretation
of "best".
--
"You can't hit what you can't see." -- Walter "The Big Train" Johnson

**jacob navia** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

kaps wrote:

Hello
>
What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>
But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it. I tried to
setup CDT eclipse but could not compile C program.
>
>
Can somebody please tell me which IDE is best and from where to
download?
>
>
Thanks
>
Please Help
>
>
Kapil Kumar

Hi Kapil

You can download my compiler/IDE from the url below.
I have problems under VISTA though. I am preparing a 64 bit
VISTA version but is not ready yet...

The 32 bit version is freely available at

403 Forbidden

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32

--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique

403 Forbidden

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~lcc-win32

**CBFalconer** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Eric Sosman wrote:

kaps wrote:
>

.... snip ...

>

>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>>
>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it. I
>tried to setup CDT eclipse but could not compile C program.
>>
>Can somebody please tell me which IDE is best and from where
>to download?

>
Considering my Luddite attitude you may wish to disregard my
opinion, but I'm content with the DJGPP compiler, library, and
tool chain. The Emacs editor is available as part of the
package if you want it; Emacs isn't to everyone's taste, but
taste is notoriously individual.

I agree, but substitute textpad (textpad.com) for Emacs. I'm using
W98FE. I also use TC for 16 bit checks. I wouldn't let Vista onto
the computer.

<http://www.cs.auckland .ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt>
<http://www.securityfoc us.com/columnists/423>
<http://www.schneier.co m/crypto-gram-0702.html#8>
<http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html>

--
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[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home .att.net>
Try the download section.

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**Richard Heathfield** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

kaps said:

Hello
>
What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>
But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

You seem to have got things the wrong way round.

First decide the software that you want to use. Then choose an operating
system that can run that software. If Vista doesn't run the software you
want it to run, why bother to buy it at all?

--
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**Ian Collins** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Richard Heathfield wrote:

kaps said:
>

>Hello
>>
>What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>>
>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

>
You seem to have got things the wrong way round.
>
First decide the software that you want to use. Then choose an operating
system that can run that software. If Vista doesn't run the software you
want it to run, why bother to buy it at all?
>

Maybe the OP likes paying for polio :)

--
Ian Collins.

**santosh** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

kaps wrote:

Hello
>
What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?

Depends on what you mean by "best", doesn't it? Many people developing
for Windows like Microsoft's Visual Studio IDE. Free to use versions of
Visual C++ are supplied by Microsoft. Visit their site.

Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>
But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

Why not? From what I have heard from others (I have yet to touch Vista
myself), DOS programs can still work under Vista. except for fullscreen
ones.

I tried to
setup CDT eclipse but could not compile C program.
>
>
Can somebody please tell me which IDE is best and from where to
download?

My personal choice is the Vim editor, but that's not for everyone.
Otherwise there are some good IDEs like Dev-C++, Code::Blocks etc.

Have you done a Google search. Usually such simple queries can be
answered just as well by Google. Also your question is, strictly
speaking, off-topic here. You might also want to try a group like
comp.programmin g, comp.os.ms-windows.program mer.win32 for more
recommendations . Also try a group under the comp.os.ms-dos category for
help with trying to get DOS applications running under Vista. Also you
might want to ask in groups under the microsoft.publi c category for
more help with Windows and DOS based problems. You find all the above
mentioned groups by using the search facility of Google Groups, but I
recommend posting through a regular news server, as Google Groups is
taking no action to prevent their users from abusing Usenet with spam.

**Bartc** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote in message
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kaps said:
>

>Hello
>>
>What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>>
>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

>
You seem to have got things the wrong way round.
>
First decide the software that you want to use. Then choose an operating
system that can run that software. If Vista doesn't run the software you
want it to run, why bother to buy it at all?

That's easy to say. But for someone with few resources, there are limited
choices of hardware and OS.

Windows machines are easy to buy, and they work out of the box. And they
will run a huge choice of software, including plenty of C systems.

If you're talking about Linux, that's more difficult to buy. It's possible
install it yourself of course, but I'm guessing the OP wants to do some C
programming not devote his life to fiddling with Linux.

-- Bartc

**Ian Collins** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Bartc wrote:

>
If you're talking about Linux, that's more difficult to buy. It's possible
install it yourself of course, but I'm guessing the OP wants to do some C
programming not devote his life to fiddling with Linux.
>

Why does everyone assume the only alternative to windows is Linux?
There are plenty of options for those of us who prefer to spend our
limited resources on tools rather than an OS.

--
Ian Collins.

**Richard Heathfield** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Bartc said:

>
"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote in message
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>kaps said:
>>

>>Hello
>>>
>>What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
>>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>>>
>>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

>>
>You seem to have got things the wrong way round.
>>
>First decide the software that you want to use. Then choose an operating
>system that can run that software. If Vista doesn't run the software you
>want it to run, why bother to buy it at all?

>
That's easy to say. But for someone with few resources, there are limited
choices of hardware and OS.

Yes. Windows XP is still available, and runs Turbo C just fine.

A friend of mine, who is completely and utterly non-technical, put up with
Vista for almost a year, by the end of which time she was sick to the back
teeth of it. No prompting from me - I didn't even know she was running
Vista. On her own initiative she had contacted Dell and told them how
furious she was with Vista for so many reasons - and they sent her a
complimentary copy of XP. She then said "Richard: laptop; XP install disk;
go do it"... so I did, and now she is happily running XP and is perfectly
content once more.

Windows machines are easy to buy, and they work out of the box. And they
will run a huge choice of software, including plenty of C systems.

The last machine I was responsible for selecting was a Win32 laptop, and
the choices were XP and Vista. I chose XP. It's a *CHOICE*.

If you're talking about Linux,

I wasn't.

that's more difficult to buy.

Yes - buying free stuff can be a complex business.

It's
possible install it yourself of course,

It's trivial, nowadays.

but I'm guessing the OP wants to
do some C programming not devote his life to fiddling with Linux.

There's more to Win32 than Vista.

--
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**santosh** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Bartc wrote:

"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@see.sig.in validwrote in message
news:pu6dnXI4cY EBZYbVnZ2dnUVZ8 uIAAAAA@bt.com. ..

>kaps said:
>>

>>Hello
>>>
>>What is the best IDE to use for C/C++ languages?
>>Previously I used "turbo c" compiler on Windows XP.
>>>
>>But now I switched to Windows Vista where I cant use it.

>>
>You seem to have got things the wrong way round.
>>
>First decide the software that you want to use. Then choose an
>operating system that can run that software. If Vista doesn't run the
>software you want it to run, why bother to buy it at all?

>
That's easy to say. But for someone with few resources, there are
limited choices of hardware and OS.

Huh? Windows Vista demands more hardware resources out of the box than
any other operating system.

Windows machines are easy to buy, and they work out of the box. And
they will run a huge choice of software, including plenty of C
systems.

True to an extent.

If you're talking about Linux, that's more difficult to buy.

True.

It's
possible install it yourself of course, but I'm guessing the OP wants
to do some C programming not devote his life to fiddling with Linux.

And here you are wrong. Something like Ubuntu works from the word go.
Absolutely no fiddling is required, unless you are doing advanced
stuff, in which case you should _know_ what you are doing.

The great thing about UNIX and Unix-like systems is that almost always
their default install included development tools for a wide variety of
languages. C of course was, and is, the most supported of PLs under
Unix.

Systems like Ubuntu, Debian, [Free|Open|Net]BSD, are, in my experience,
great for programming. For general use Ubuntu is frankly easier to use
than the Windows versions I have used in the past (3.1/95/98/XP).

C programming involves a lot of low level fiddling in practise, so if
the OP is allergic to fiddling then he might want to reconsider C
programming.

**santosh** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Richard Heathfield wrote:

<snip>

The last machine I was responsible for selecting was a Win32 laptop,
and the choices were XP and Vista. I chose XP. It's a *CHOICE*.

Not for long if Microsoft has it's way.

<snip>

**santosh** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

Ian Collins wrote:

Bartc wrote:

>>
>If you're talking about Linux, that's more difficult to buy. It's
>possible install it yourself of course, but I'm guessing the OP wants
>to do some C programming not devote his life to fiddling with Linux.
>>

Why does everyone assume the only alternative to windows is Linux?
There are plenty of options for those of us who prefer to spend our
limited resources on tools rather than an OS.

Yes, I can also recommend OpenSolaris (just tried it out a few days
back). Though it's still in beta it's a nice alternative to Linux and
the BSDs, as long as you're not a Free Software zealot. Sun also has
a "Solaris Developer Edition", a tested Solaris version and I believe
the only free OS with a fully conforming C99 compiler.

**Richard Heathfield** · Jun 27 '08, 07:34 PM

Re: help required.

santosh said:

Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
<snip>
>

>The last machine I was responsible for selecting was a Win32 laptop,
>and the choices were XP and Vista. I chose XP. It's a *CHOICE*.

>
Not for long if Microsoft has it's way.

Microsoft may be big enough and powerful enough to enforce Vista's
acceptance - or it may not be. Time will tell. My non-techie friend's
negative experience with Vista is by no means unique. (Personally, I've
never used it and never plan to, so I don't care either way.)

--
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