C is best

[vgnsh2@gmail.com]

C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

[Yep]

Re: C is best

vgnsh2@gmail.co m wrote:

C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

Is that the only reason you can think of why C is good?

[Alef Veld]

Re: C is best

On 2008-04-29 00:20:27 +0200, Yep <yep@yepsaid:

vgnsh2@gmail.co m wrote:

>C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

>
Is that the only reason you can think of why C is good?

It's actually a pretty good reason. If by hackers the troll means C
programming experts, which i assume for this post, then volume in
numbers can't be a bad thing. But it only stands with the previous
assumption though.

[Ricky]

Re: C is best

On Apr 29, 2:42 am, Alef Veld <a...@xs4all.nl wrote:

On 2008-04-29 00:20:27 +0200, Yep <yep@yepsaid:
>

vgn...@gmail.co m wrote:

C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

>

Is that the only reason you can think of why C is good?

>
It's actually a pretty good reason. If by hackers the troll means C
programming experts, which i assume for this post, then volume in
numbers can't be a bad thing. But it only stands with the previous
assumption though.

If C is best because hackers (expert programmers) use it, then I would
like to stress on - Why do hackers use it :-). The answer would then
go for why C is best ;-)

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: C is best

Ricky said:

<snip>

If C is best because hackers (expert programmers) use it, then I would
like to stress on - Why do hackers use it :-).

It's obvious - they use it because it's the best.

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[Sumit]

Re: C is best

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:26:00 -0700, vgnsh2 wrote:

C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

C can change your way of thinking, C gives every thing to make your self,
as mother is the first teacher of child just like C is the mother of all
hackers. through C we can understand computer. C is the best.

[fnegroni]

Re: C is best

I was recently hacking into the OpenSSH client (ssh) source code.
It is written in C, and although some code structuring choices are
debatable, thanks to C's explicit flow of control and "transparen t
box" approach, it was a matter of minutes to figure out where to
change code. And the changes themeselves did not take long to
implement.
In the ssh client code functions are very long for no apparent reason
to me, and some structures are statically initialised where a dynamic
initialisation would probably have been best.
The change involved adding an extra option on the command line,
changing the password retrieval system and reordering the
authentication methods.
Not a big change, so as expected it did not take long to implement.
I have been programming in C, C++ Java and more recently Python.
Of all those languages, C is the only one where I can see how
productivity and expressiveness increase can be factually measured.

[nembo kid]

Re: C is best

vgnsh2@gmail.co m ha scritto:

C is the best because the hackers is most use the C lang

Here in Italy C is used for every computer programming exam.

OOP instead is with Java

C++ ... is dead...

[fnegroni]

Re: C is best

I wouldn't go as far to say C++ is dead. But certainly it has now
reached critical mass.
You'll soon find Python is replacing Java in many environments.

[Ricky]

Re: C is best

On Apr 29, 11:15 am, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:

Ricky said:
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<snip>
>

If C is best because hackers (expert programmers) use it, then I would
like to stress on - Why do hackers use it :-).

>
It's obvious - they use it because it's the best.
>
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best in what terms, you could have added many things like: expressive,
fast, good low level interface, etc etc. It depends on what you are
trying to do.

[fnegroni]

Re: C is best

It is a very easy to measure it. Just like assembler.

And IMHO measurability is the attribute that makes or brakes a
language.

All languages subject to opinion (read hype) more than fact dies a
(slow/fast) death.

[pereges]

Re: C is best

I found C's syntax is simpler than java and c++. I don't know which
one is the most powerful language but I think C will not die easily.
It is becoming increasingly popular for scientific applications.
I'm not very sure about the current trends in gaming industry because
even though many popular games have been made in C, every time I go to
game development forums I see people posting C++ codes.

[santosh]

Re: C is best

Ricky wrote:

On Apr 29, 11:15 am, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.i nvalidwrote:

>Ricky said:
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><snip>
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If C is best because hackers (expert programmers) use it, then I
would like to stress on - Why do hackers use it :-).

>>
>It's obvious - they use it because it's the best.
>>
>--
>Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
>Email: -http://www. +rjh@
>Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
>"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

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best in what terms, you could have added many things like: expressive,
fast, good low level interface, etc etc. It depends on what you are
trying to do.

In a recent interview Brian Kernighan (a close colleague of Dennis
Ritchie and a co-author with him for K&R) was asked about his
explanation for why C became as widely used as it did. He mentioned one
reason, in his opinion, was because C "hit a sweet spot" between very
low-level languages like assembler and Forth and more high-level
languages like LISP, Java etc.

This meant that with proper care it was possible to go as close to the
machine as any compiled language could, but with a little effort and
infrastructure, one could also write programs with fairly high
abstraction and platform independence. This allowed it to be used for a
relatively larger range of programs than other alternative languages in
those days. Assembler was very efficient but was getting difficult to
program and maintain large code bases with, and moreover had absolutely
no portability. BCPL and B suffered from being only thin layers over
assembler. COBOL and LISP were too high-level to consider writing
system code with, while FORTRAN (at that time) lacked many things like
pointers, separate compilation etc.

The success of C could probably be explained as an outcome of a flexible
yet portable language being developed at a time when a need for such a
language was acutely felt. The IBM PC advent also undoubtedly helped
C's reach and presence.

A web search for "Brian Kernighan interview" might get you the actual
interview.

[santosh]

Re: C is best

pereges wrote:

I found C's syntax is simpler than java and c++. I don't know which
one is the most powerful language [ ... ]

All three are Turing complete and hence, from a theoretical perspective,
capable of the same range of computation. Practically speaking they
each serve different niches and each is going to be around for at least
a decade more.

[Richard Tobin]

Re: C is best

In article <fv7keq$i9n$2@r egistered.motza rella.org>,
santosh <santosh.k83@gm ail.comwrote:

>I found C's syntax is simpler than java and c++. I don't know which
>one is the most powerful language [ ... ]

>All three are Turing complete and hence, from a theoretical perspective,
>capable of the same range of computation.

That's true for one particular restricted meaning of "powerful", but
it is frequently used less formally. In the less formal sense, C++ is
clearly more powerful since it's a superset[*] of C, and I think most
people would also consider Java to be. But powerfulness is not
everything!
[*] Yes, I know.

-- Richard
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