Write two separated objects?

[Bryan Parkoff]

Can you please advise me how to write two separated objects?
Sometimes, two objects have the same variable name and function name, but
they have different algorithm to perform. The C++ Compiler allows you to
create two classes. Two classes bind their own local variables and local
functions.

For example:

Class Blue
{
int a;
int b;

int Run_Color (void);
};

Class Red
{
int a;
int b;

int Run_Color (void);
};

int main (void)
{
Blue blue;
Red red;

blue.a = 10;
blue.b = 20;
blue.Run_Color ();

red.a = 2;
red.b = 4;
red.Run_Color ();

return 0;
}

I am not going to use C++ Compiler. I stick C Compiler for
critical performance reason. The same global variable and global function
will be in two separated header / source codes. The main source code
includes two headers.

One problem is that main source code can't access the same global
variable name and global function name in both headers. It is only the
solution if you want to name two separated global scopes. C++ Compiler has
the feature to use namespace keyword.

How would you suggest to write this way using C Compiler? It
should look like this below.

namespace Blue
{
int a;
int b;

int Run_Color (void);
}

namespace Red
{
int a;
int b;

int Run_Color (void);
}

int main (void)
{
Blue::a = 10;
Blue::b = 20;
Blue::Run_Color (void);

Red::a = 2;
Red::b = 4;
Red::Run_Color (void);

Return 0;
}

If it does not have the solution, then write a separated function
name using underscore like this - Blue__Run_Color (), Red__Run_Color ().
Blue__a = 2; Red__a = 10.

It does not look neat design. What do you recommend?

Yours Truly,
Bryan Parkoff

[Ian Collins]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Bryan Parkoff wrote:

Can you please advise me how to write two separated objects?
Sometimes, two objects have the same variable name and function name, but
they have different algorithm to perform. The C++ Compiler allows you to
create two classes. Two classes bind their own local variables and local
functions.
>
For example:
>
Class Blue
{
int a;
int b;
>
int Run_Color (void);
};
>
Class Red
{
int a;
int b;
>
int Run_Color (void);
};
>

If you want OO style in C why not simply write

typedef struct Colour Colour;

struct Colour
{
int a;
int b;

int (*run)(Colour*) ;
};

and assign the runColor function at run time?

int runRed(Colour*) ;
int runBlue(Colour* );

int main()
{
Colour red;
red.run = runRed;

Colour blue;
blue.run = runBlue;

red.run( &red );
blue.run( &blue );
}

>
I am not going to use C++ Compiler. I stick C Compiler for
critical performance reason.

Which is?

--
Ian Collins.

[Peter Nilsson]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Bryan Parkoff wrote:

Can you please advise me how to write two separated objects?
Sometimes, two objects have the same variable name and function
name, but they have different algorithm to perform. The C++
Compiler allows you to create two classes. Two classes bind their
own local variables and local functions.
>
For example:
>
Class Blue
{
int a;
int b;
int Run_Color (void);
};
>
Class Red
{
int a;
int b;
int Run_Color (void);
};
>
int main (void)
{
Blue blue;
Red red;
>
blue.a = 10;
blue.b = 20;
blue.Run_Color ();
>
red.a = 2;
red.b = 4;
red.Run_Color ();
>
return 0;
}
>
I am not going to use C++ Compiler. I stick C Compiler for
critical performance reason.

<OT>You're unlikely to find a _critical_ difference in what you've
mentioned so far. In fact, the difference in maintenance would be
one reason to stick to C++.</OT>

<snip>

C++ Compiler has the feature to use namespace keyword.

C has namespace, but it's subject to manual use and maintenance...

/* red.h */
struct red
{
int a;
int b;
};

int red_Run_Color (struct red *thiz);

/* blue.h */
struct blue
{
int a;
int b;
};

int blue_Run_Color (struct blue *thiz);

/* main.c */
#include "red.h"
#include "blue.h"

int main(void)
{
struct blue blue = { 10, 20 };
struct red red = { 2, 4 };

blue_Run_Color( &blue);
red_Run_Color(& red);

return 0;
}

--
Peter

[Bryan Parkoff]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Peter,

>Can you please advise me how to write two separated objects?
>Sometimes, two objects have the same variable name and function
>name, but they have different algorithm to perform. The C++
>Compiler allows you to create two classes. Two classes bind their
>own local variables and local functions.
>>
>For example:
>>
>Class Blue
>{
> int a;
> int b;
> int Run_Color (void);
>};
>>
>Class Red
>{
> int a;
> int b;
> int Run_Color (void);
>};
>>
>int main (void)
>{
> Blue blue;
> Red red;
>>
> blue.a = 10;
> blue.b = 20;
> blue.Run_Color ();
>>
> red.a = 2;
> red.b = 4;
> red.Run_Color ();
>>
> return 0;
>}
>>
> I am not going to use C++ Compiler. I stick C Compiler for
>critical performance reason.

>
<OT>You're unlikely to find a _critical_ difference in what you've
mentioned so far. In fact, the difference in maintenance would be
one reason to stick to C++.</OT>

Well, if you use class, the class requires a pointer always!! You
define Red and give variable name red. red uses a pointer to locate memory
address before it starts to access local variable or local function. Global
variable and global variable do not need pointer. The x86 instructions are
reduced to exclude pointer so critical performance can be improved.

<snip>

>C++ Compiler has the feature to use namespace keyword.

>
C has namespace, but it's subject to manual use and maintenance...
>
/* red.h */
struct red
{
int a;
int b;
};
>
int red_Run_Color (struct red *thiz);
>
/* blue.h */
struct blue
{
int a;
int b;
};
>
int blue_Run_Color (struct blue *thiz);
>
/* main.c */
#include "red.h"
#include "blue.h"
>
int main(void)
{
struct blue blue = { 10, 20 };
struct red red = { 2, 4 };
>
blue_Run_Color( &blue);
red_Run_Color(& red);
>
return 0;
}

Your example code above is ideal, but I want to comment.

/* red.h */

namespace Red
{
int a = 0;
int b = 0;
int Run_Color (void);
}

/* blue.h */

namespace Blue
{
int a = 0;
int b = 0;
int Run_Color (void);
}

#include "red.h"
#include "blue.h"

int main (void)
{
Red::a = 2;
Red::b = 4;
Red::Run_Color ();

Blue::a = 2;
Blue::b = 4;
Blue::Run_Color ();

return 0;
}

Do you see my code above? It is neat design using namespace keyword and
double colon. It is a lot of easier to access global variable and global
function when you are very careful inside namespace block. How do I know if
C Compiler support namespace keyword?
Do you think that namespace help to separate objects?

Bryan Parkoff

[Peter Nilsson]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Bryan Parkoff wrote:

Peter,

Can you please advise me how to write two separated
objects? Sometimes, two objects have the same variable
name and function name, but they have different
algorithm to perform. The C++ Compiler allows you to
create two classes. Two classes bind their own local
variables and local functions.
>
For example:
>
Class Blue
{
int a;
int b;
int Run_Color (void);
};
>
Class Red
{
int a;
int b;
int Run_Color (void);
};
>
int main (void)
{
Blue blue;
Red red;
>
blue.a = 10;
blue.b = 20;
blue.Run_Color ();
>
red.a = 2;
red.b = 4;
red.Run_Color ();
>
return 0;
}
>
I am not going to use C++ Compiler. I stick C
Compiler for critical performance reason.

<OT>You're unlikely to find a _critical_ difference in what
you've mentioned so far. In fact, the difference in
maintenance would be one reason to stick to C++.</OT>

>
Well, if you use class, the class requires a pointer
always!!

In what sense? And why do you care? [Have you profiled the
code?]

You define Red and give variable name red. red uses a pointer
to locate memory address before it starts to access local
variable or local function.

Every object has an address in C (and C++). Every function
(local or otherwise) has an address in C. Implementations
are generally capable of optimising out actual object
allocation allocations.

Global variable and global variable do not need pointer.
The x86 instructions are reduced to exclude pointer so
critical performance can be improved.

I think you're needlessly getting hung up on implementation
details. From what I've seen static duration objects are
accessed the same way internally for both C and C++ (in
all the bundled C and C++ implementations I've seen.)
It's much harder for implementations to optimise static
duration objects because it's harder to determine where
they (will or won't) be used.

Namespaces, as their name implies, are purely constructs
for speparating names. They are syntactical sugar. They
don't affect performance. [Except possibly in an interpreter
with really bad name lookup. ;-]

<snip>

C++ Compiler has the feature to use namespace keyword.

C has namespace, but it's subject to manual use and
maintenance...

Perhaps I was too literal. There is no 'namespace' keyword
in C. There are namespaces, however which one your declaration
affects in C is determined only by context. You cannot override
it or create additional namespaces.

<snip>

Your example code above is ideal, but I want to comment.
>
/* red.h */
>
namespace Red
{
int a = 0;
int b = 0;
int Run_Color (void);
}
>
/* blue.h */
>
namespace Blue
{
int a = 0;
int b = 0;
int Run_Color (void);
}
>
#include "red.h"
#include "blue.h"
>
int main (void)
{
Red::a = 2;
Red::b = 4;
Red::Run_Color ();
>
Blue::a = 2;
Blue::b = 4;
Blue::Run_Color ();
>
return 0;
}

If that's what you wanted then (one) C equivalent is...

/* red.h */
int red_a;
int red_b;
int red_Run_Color (void);

/* blue.h */
int blue_a;
int blue_b;
int blue_Run_Color (void);

/* main.c */
#include "red.h"
#include "blue.h"

int main(void)
{
blue_a = 2;
blue_b = 4;
red_a = 2;
red_b = 4;

blue_Run_Color( );
red_Run_Color() ;

return 0;
}

>
Do you see my code above? It is neat design using
namespace keyword and double colon.

It's a terrible design IMHO. I prefer to avoid 'globals'
as much as possible. They have their uses, but I would
never use them to fix 'performance' issues. In fact,
their use tends to degrade performance.

It is a lot of easier to access global
variable and global function when you are very careful
inside namespace block.

I'm afraid this makes no sense to me.

How do I know if C Compiler support namespace keyword?

No conforming C compiler is required to support namespace
as a keyword. C++ on the other hand does. I think you
should go back to a C++ group and describe what it is
you're actually trying to do. It sounds like a singleton
class.

Do you think that namespace help to separate
objects?

Opinion is divided. All I know is that C doesn't give you
much of a choice beyond manual nomenclature.

--
Peter

[Ian Collins]

Re: Write two separated objects?

[please don't snip attributions]

Bryan Parkoff wrote:

Peter Nilsson wrote:

><OT>You're unlikely to find a _critical_ difference in what you've
>mentioned so far. In fact, the difference in maintenance would be
>one reason to stick to C++.</OT>

>
Well, if you use class, the class requires a pointer always!! You
define Red and give variable name red. red uses a pointer to locate memory
address before it starts to access local variable or local function. Global
variable and global variable do not need pointer. The x86 instructions are
reduced to exclude pointer so critical performance can be improved.
>

What are you talking about? What pointer?

struct Red { int a, int b };

struct Red red;

red.a = 0;

Where's the pointer?

How do I know if C Compiler support namespace keyword?

You don't have to, it won't. Namespaces do not exist in C.

--
Ian Collins.

[Peter Nilsson]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Ian Collins wrote:

...Namespaces do not exist in C.

True. "Name spaces" on the other hand...

--
Peter

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: Write two separated objects?

Bryan Parkoff said:

<snip>

>
How would you suggest to write this way using C Compiler?

Why not start off by telling us the problem you're actually trying to
solve? You have not yet done this. Instead, you've told us your C++
solution, and you've asked us for a translation. That's the Wrong Way.
Having decided on C rather than C++, you need to construct a C solution
from scratch. If you translate from C++ to C, you'll get something that
has few if any of the benefits of your C++ design, and few if any of the
benefits you could have enjoyed if you'd embraced C idioms right from the
start.

It should look like this below.
>
namespace Blue

This is a clear indication that you are still thinking in C++. If you want
a C solution, write a C solution rather than a C++ solution.

<snip>

It does not look neat design. What do you recommend?

I recommend starting with a problem definition.

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