A plea for sanity!

**jacob navia** · Mar 26 '08, 10:25 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Ian Collins wrote:

Can we please stop these pantomime oh yes it is, oh no it isn't
topicality wars?
>
If someone asks an off topic question, sent them on their way with a
polite redirect.
>
If someone posts information you thing is off topic, treat it as if it
is spam and ignore it. All the pantomime bickering produces is noise.
>
The noise in here is becoming deafening.
>

OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC!

"pantomine bickering" is not in the C standard.

:-)

--
jacob navia
jacob at jacob point remcomp point fr
logiciels/informatique

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**Richard** · Mar 26 '08, 10:45 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.co mwrites:

Can we please stop these pantomime oh yes it is, oh no it isn't
topicality wars?
>
If someone asks an off topic question, sent them on their way with a
polite redirect.

better : just ignore it. The worst thing is you and others racing each
other to see who can post the most "polite rebukes" in a single day. It
is ridiculous. Don't think its on topic - ignore it. I have seen "OT
posts" garner as many as 10 same level "this is c.l.c, your NG is down
the road on the left" net nanny rebukes. And I don't hold that they didn't
know about the other replies - this is 2008 not 1974.

If someone posts information you thing is off topic, treat it as if it
is spam and ignore it. All the pantomime bickering produces is noise.

You got that right.

>
The noise in here is becoming deafening.

What? Speak up.

**Mark McIntyre** · Mar 26 '08, 11:35 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Ian Collins wrote:

The noise in here is becoming deafening.

I find that killfiling morons like Navia, and threadplonking any thread
he posts more than once into on the principle that he's merely trolling
for flamewars to stoke his overweening ego and fuel his paranoia,
significantly quietens it down.

--
Mark McIntyre

CLC FAQ <http://c-faq.com/>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt >

**Richard** · Mar 26 '08, 11:45 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@s pamcop.netwrite s:

Ian Collins wrote:
>

>The noise in here is becoming deafening.

>
I find that killfiling morons like Navia, and threadplonking any
thread he posts more than once into on the principle that he's merely
trolling for flamewars to stoke his overweening ego and fuel his
paranoia, significantly quietens it down.

The irony is palpable.

**Eric Sosman** · Mar 27 '08, 12:45 AM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Mark McIntyre wrote:

Ian Collins wrote:
>

>The noise in here is becoming deafening.

>
I find that killfiling morons like Navia, and threadplonking any thread
he posts more than once into on the principle that he's merely trolling
for flamewars to stoke his overweening ego and fuel his paranoia,
significantly quietens it down.

Killfiling Navia isn't a good idea, because he's not an
actual moron. (My killfile has discriminating tastes: It will
accept only *genuine* morons.) Also, killfiling Navia doesn't
work because he has an unusual ability to engender lengthy and
vituperative threads into which nearly everyone is drawn, perhaps
by a sense of outrage; killfile Navia and you'll just read him as
quoted by anyone else you care to mention.

Your second suggestion, though, has merit: Killfile the
threads in which he becomes too obstreporous. I started doing
that yesterday, and the noise level has already dropped
measurably.

--
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

**Antoninus Twink** · Mar 27 '08, 10:45 AM

Re: A plea for sanity!

On 26 Mar 2008 at 22:19, Ian Collins wrote:

Can we please stop these pantomime oh yes it is, oh no it isn't
topicality wars?
>
If someone posts information you thing is off topic, treat it as if it
is spam and ignore it. All the pantomime bickering produces is noise.
>
The noise in here is becoming deafening.

It's great to see a regular coming across to "our" point of view. The
Clique's obsession with topicality has been disastrous for this group,
and I whole-heartedly agree with Ian that everyone should just get on
with making their contributions and not criticize others for making
theirs because of a different view of topicality.

**Default User** · Mar 27 '08, 09:05 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Eric Sosman wrote:

Mark McIntyre wrote:

Ian Collins wrote:

The noise in here is becoming deafening.

I find that killfiling morons like Navia, and threadplonking any
thread he posts more than once into on the principle that he's
merely trolling for flamewars to stoke his overweening ego and
fuel his paranoia, significantly quietens it down.

>
Killfiling Navia isn't a good idea, because he's not an
actual moron.

I disagree. He's become worse, with the accusations of persecution.

Also, killfiling Navia doesn't
work because he has an unusual ability to engender lengthy and
vituperative threads into which nearly everyone is drawn, perhaps
by a sense of outrage; killfile Navia and you'll just read him as
quoted by anyone else you care to mention.

When I'm particularly tired of his crap, I employ the filter that
deletes any post with "jacob" or "navia" in it.

Brian

**Default User** · Mar 27 '08, 09:05 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Gerry Ford wrote:

There's always the central drama with "the regs" and topicality.
What's going on with all the spam? I'm hit and run with newsgroups
and that stuff just clogs my newsreader. If someone can give
information about the german flights spammer, I can do what I can to
ruin his day.

I see very little (none this past day). Between my own set of filters
and whatever news.individual .net is doing, it's reduced to a tiny
trickle.

Brian

**Richard** · Mar 27 '08, 09:15 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

"Default User" <defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites :

Gerry Ford wrote:
>
>

>There's always the central drama with "the regs" and topicality.
>What's going on with all the spam? I'm hit and run with newsgroups
>and that stuff just clogs my newsreader. If someone can give
>information about the german flights spammer, I can do what I can to
>ruin his day.

>
I see very little (none this past day). Between my own set of filters
and whatever news.individual .net is doing, it's reduced to a tiny
trickle.
>
>
>
>
>
Brian

I find it funny that probably the least useful poster of the lot, e.g
Default User, is the most vocal one about protecting his patch.

All he does is post "OT" rejoinders and is almost as frequently wrong as
Chuck Falconer.

Laughable. If exposed, hide behind filters. After all, thats what Usenet
help groups are for!

**Antoninus Twink** · Mar 27 '08, 10:15 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

On 27 Mar 2008 at 21:06, Richard wrote:

"Default User" <defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites :
>

>Gerry Ford wrote:
>>
>>

>>There's always the central drama with "the regs" and topicality.
>>What's going on with all the spam? I'm hit and run with newsgroups
>>and that stuff just clogs my newsreader. If someone can give
>>information about the german flights spammer, I can do what I can to
>>ruin his day.

>>
>I see very little (none this past day). Between my own set of filters
>and whatever news.individual .net is doing, it's reduced to a tiny
>trickle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Brian

>
I find it funny that probably the least useful poster of the lot, e.g
Default User, is the most vocal one about protecting his patch.
>
All he does is post "OT" rejoinders and is almost as frequently wrong as
Chuck Falconer.
>
Laughable. If exposed, hide behind filters. After all, thats what Usenet
help groups are for!

Default Loser is a scar on the face of the human race. The thing I find
most amazing is that in his own mind he's so important that he believes
the contents of his killfiles and filters will be of universal
fascination.

**Gerry Ford** · Mar 27 '08, 11:25 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

"Antoninus Twink" <nospam@nospam. invalidwrote in message
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On 27 Mar 2008 at 21:06, Richard wrote:

>"Default User" <defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites :
>>

>>Gerry Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>There's always the central drama with "the regs" and topicality.
>>>What's going on with all the spam? I'm hit and run with newsgroups
>>>and that stuff just clogs my newsreader. If someone can give
>>>informatio n about the german flights spammer, I can do what I can to
>>>ruin his day.
>>>
>>I see very little (none this past day). Between my own set of filters
>>and whatever news.individual .net is doing, it's reduced to a tiny
>>trickle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Brian

>>
>I find it funny that probably the least useful poster of the lot, e.g
>Default User, is the most vocal one about protecting his patch.
>>
>All he does is post "OT" rejoinders and is almost as frequently wrong as
>Chuck Falconer.
>>
>Laughable. If exposed, hide behind filters. After all, thats what Usenet
>help groups are for!

>
Default Loser is a scar on the face of the human race. The thing I find
most amazing is that in his own mind he's so important that he believes
the contents of his killfiles and filters will be of universal
fascination.
>

I don't use a killfile because OE is inflexible that way. I killfiled
myself accidentally once. Had to re-install.

How you think that to criticize Brian with a description of Dick Cheney is
going to influence anybody is beyond me. Wherein was Brian's comment a
rejoinder? Have you ever addressed a topic in C?

Where you can't avoid the spam is when you use the google portal. Page
after page of tennis shoes and german flights. I don't understand the
spammer's motivation.
--

"I am waiting for them to prove that God is really American."

~~ Lawrence Ferlinghetti

**Richard Heathfield** · Mar 27 '08, 11:45 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Gerry Ford said:

<snip>

Where you can't avoid the spam is when you use the google portal. Page
after page of tennis shoes and german flights. I don't understand the
spammer's motivation.

Unfortunately, it's all too easy. The spammer reasons as follows: "only one
person in a million[1] is stupid enough to respond to spam; therefore, if
I place my message before the eyes of a thousand million people, I'll get
a thousand customers, and the fact that I'm costing the other 999,999,000
people time, money and server space is of no consequence to me
whatsoever".

I am opposed to the use of chemical weapons, so really I'm at a loss to
know how best to solve the problem of spam. It's a big problem.

[1] FCOV "million" - s/million/big number/ if it makes you happy.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk >
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
Google users: <http://www.cpax.org.uk/prg/writings/googly.php>
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999

**Default User** · Mar 27 '08, 11:55 PM

Re: A plea for sanity!

Gerry Ford wrote:

I don't use a killfile because OE is inflexible that way. I
killfiled myself accidentally once. Had to re-install.

I'm plonking you now because seem unable to resist feeding the trolls.

Brian

**Richard** · Mar 28 '08, 12:09 AM

Re: A plea for sanity!

"Default User" <defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites :

Gerry Ford wrote:
>
>

>I don't use a killfile because OE is inflexible that way. I
>killfiled myself accidentally once. Had to re-install.

>
I'm plonking you now because seem unable to resist feeding the trolls.
>
>
>
>
Brian

And *that* Gerry is the kind of self opinionated arse you are dealing
with. Bwian is a c.l.c clique wannabe. But unlike Heathfield, his
knowledge of C is very small indeed - so he settles for barking at
anyone who enters the cliques hunting ground without pay due respect to
the groups big dogs.

As you just discovered.

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