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  • Le Chaud Lapin

    Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

    Before I begin, I must emphasize the word "Scratch".

    Normally when I make this proposal, I have to go through 7 or 8
    iterations until my victim finally realizes that when I say "scratch",
    I do mean "scratch." So perhaps the title of this post should be
    "Design A New Networking Protocol From Scratch With Near-Zero Regard
    For TCP/IP." No attempt shall be made to synthesize the engine via
    incremental modification of existing protocols (as was done with
    IPv6). We will necessarily make a clean break from all things TCP,
    UDP, IP, DCE, CORBA, DCOM, .NET, RPC, SSL, sockets, ARP, RARP, SNMP,
    CIDR, NAT, EGP, RIP, DNS, etc. If any legacy elements are recognized
    in the new protocol, it shall be those that are fundamentally
    persistent, like the end-to-end model and retransmission as a
    mechanism to overcome errors.

    I would like to propose that a group of us band to together to find a
    virtuous framework to the problem that can be broadly defined as
    "Distribute d Communication". This proposal is relevant to C++ because
    its reference implementation will be in C++.

    Specifically, I propose that we create a new full-featured networking
    engine that facilitates distributed communication between machines on
    a global network. This engine will provide mechanisms for naming,
    numbering, addressing, security, mobility, multicasting, and highly
    elegant interprocess communication. A library shall be created to
    allow third-party developers to write applications against the new
    DCE.

    After this new engine has been created, we will choose, from among
    several "killer" applications, one that demonstrates both the
    potential and necessity of the new distributed communications engine,
    and implement a prototype of that application against the new engine.

    All software shall be written in C++ and made strictly portable
    (greater than 95% inter-OS compilability with no allowance for
    #ifdef's).

    If I did not feel that I had the technical insight to guide such a
    project to success, I would not have made the proposal.

    This has been a dream of mine for quite a while. If I lost both my
    hands, I would continue to type with my teeth to see that it was done.
    I am firmly comitted.

    I hope to appeal to the insight, creativity, ambition, perceptivity,
    and intelligence in all of you, as it would be much more enjoyable to
    not do it alone.

    I know some of the best C++ programmers in the world lurk in this
    group. It is to you I make this appeal. If you have an opinion one
    way or another, I would like to hear it, here, or via email.

    Best Regards,

    -J. C. Jones-
    Research Scientist
  • Jack Klein

    #2
    Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

    On 13 Jul 2004 15:15:57 -0700, unoriginal_user name@yahoo.com (Le Chaud
    Lapin) wrote in comp.lang.c++:
    [color=blue]
    > Before I begin, I must emphasize the word "Scratch".
    >
    > Normally when I make this proposal, I have to go through 7 or 8
    > iterations until my victim finally realizes that when I say "scratch",
    > I do mean "scratch." So perhaps the title of this post should be
    > "Design A New Networking Protocol From Scratch With Near-Zero Regard
    > For TCP/IP."[/color]

    [snip]

    What does any of this have to do with the C++ language? What
    personality flaw caused you to post this here, where it is 100%
    off-topic?

    --
    Jack Klein
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    • David Rubin

      #3
      Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

      unoriginal_user name@yahoo.com (Le Chaud Lapin) wrote in message news:<fc2e0ade. 0407131415.129a 0e37@posting.go ogle.com>...

      [snip - no TCP][color=blue]
      > Specifically, I propose that we create a new full-featured networking
      > engine that facilitates distributed communication between machines on
      > a global network. This engine will provide mechanisms for naming,
      > numbering, addressing, security, mobility, multicasting, and highly
      > elegant interprocess communication. A library shall be created to
      > allow third-party developers to write applications against the new
      > DCE.[/color]

      Fortunately for us, this task is already accomplished. It's called 9p2000.

      /david

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      • Phlip

        #4
        Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

        David Rubin wrote:
        [color=blue]
        > Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
        >
        > [snip - no TCP][color=green]
        > > Specifically, I propose that we create a new full-featured networking
        > > engine that facilitates distributed communication between machines on
        > > a global network. This engine will provide mechanisms for naming,
        > > numbering, addressing, security, mobility, multicasting, and highly
        > > elegant interprocess communication. A library shall be created to
        > > allow third-party developers to write applications against the new
        > > DCE.[/color]
        >
        > Fortunately for us, this task is already accomplished. It's called 9p2000.[/color]

        Please tell us it's Spam- and virus-proof.

        --
        Phlip



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        • Ioannis Vranos

          #5
          Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

          Jack Klein wrote:
          [color=blue]
          > Jack Klein
          > Home: http://JK-Technology.Com[/color]



          Nice site, however it would be better if you fixed these two to be ISO C++:











          Regards,

          Ioannis Vranos


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          • Aguilar, James

            #6
            Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

            "Phlip" <phlip_cpp@yaho o.com> wrote in message
            news:vA2Jc.50$v N1.15@newssvr19 .news.prodigy.c om...[color=blue]
            > David Rubin wrote:
            >[color=green]
            > > Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
            > >
            > > [snip - no TCP][color=darkred]
            > > > Specifically, I propose that we create a new full-featured networking
            > > > engine that facilitates distributed communication between machines on
            > > > a global network. This engine will provide mechanisms for naming,
            > > > numbering, addressing, security, mobility, multicasting, and highly
            > > > elegant interprocess communication. A library shall be created to
            > > > allow third-party developers to write applications against the new
            > > > DCE.[/color]
            > >
            > > Fortunately for us, this task is already accomplished. It's called[/color][/color]
            9p2000.[color=blue]
            >
            > Please tell us it's Spam- and virus-proof.[/color]

            Just like in the long run, nothing is proof to cockroaches, nothing is proof
            to spam and viruses. To make a system that would be would require the
            elimination of some of the features most necessary in an internet protocol.
            For instance, the independent creation of accounts for e-mail or news would
            have to die to eliminate spam, because the only way to hold people
            accountable for what they write is to centralize account naming and cause it
            to require verifiable data about who a potential account holder is. To
            eliminate viruses, one would have to eliminate a person's ability to send
            any kind of binary. Actually, the only way to truly and permanently protect
            against viruses is to remove all input devices from your computer.


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            • Le Chaud Lapin

              #7
              Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

              Jack Klein <jackklein@spam cop.net> wrote in message news:<ad89f058p get7p9m7ib74c9e r4feusshlh@4ax. com>...[color=blue]
              > On 13 Jul 2004 15:15:57 -0700, unoriginal_user name@yahoo.com (Le Chaud
              > What does any of this have to do with the C++ language? What
              > personality flaw caused you to post this here, where it is 100%
              > off-topic?[/color]

              Gee Jack, I do not know. Maybe you could fly your personal
              psychiatrist over to France and let me borrow him/her long enough so
              that I might provide a suitable answer to your (second) question.

              In the meantime, I think I will post at will, as I feel that this has
              some interest to C++ programmers, given that most of are beginning to
              get into distributed development if we have not already.

              -Chaud Lapin-

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              • Phlip

                #8
                Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

                Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
                [color=blue]
                > Gee Jack, I do not know. Maybe you could fly your personal
                > psychiatrist over to France and let me borrow him/her long enough so
                > that I might provide a suitable answer to your (second) question.
                >
                > In the meantime, I think I will post at will, as I feel that this has
                > some interest to C++ programmers, given that most of are beginning to
                > get into distributed development if we have not already.[/color]

                Folks interested in network protocols can easily find their newsgroups.
                Newsgroups work best when people qualified to answer on a given group don't
                find too many irrelevant questions to waste their time.

                However, I won't read your posts here or there. >Plonk<
                [color=blue]
                > -Chaud Lapin-[/color]

                Cool handle, though!

                --
                Phlip



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                • Le Chaud Lapin

                  #9
                  Re: Rewrite TCP/IP From Scratch

                  "Phlip" <phlip_cpp@yaho o.com> wrote in message news:<FinJc.149 6$4L7.441@newss vr33.news.prodi gy.com>...[color=blue]
                  > Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
                  >[color=green]
                  > > Gee Jack, I do not know. Maybe you could fly your personal
                  > > psychiatrist over to France and let me borrow him/her long enough so
                  > > that I might provide a suitable answer to your (second) question.
                  > >
                  > > In the meantime, I think I will post at will, as I feel that this has
                  > > some interest to C++ programmers, given that most of are beginning to
                  > > get into distributed development if we have not already.[/color]
                  >
                  > Folks interested in network protocols can easily find their newsgroups.
                  > Newsgroups work best when people qualified to answer on a given group don't
                  > find too many irrelevant questions to waste their time.
                  >
                  > However, I won't read your posts here or there. >Plonk<[/color]

                  Looking at some of the posts you have made, I think I will reciprocate.
                  [color=blue]
                  >whatever word u find appropriate<[/color]

                  -Chaud Lapin-

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