Object test = new Object() <-- Java, best way in C++

[DrUg13]

In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.

could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying

Object app = Object();
Object *app = Object();
Object app = new Object();


randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
what is happening, and the differences.
Someone please help...
As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.

[Victor Bazarov]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote...[color=blue]
> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.[/color]

You are just can't want anything else in Java...
[color=blue]
> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
>
> Object app = Object();[/color]

This is OK. 'app' is an automatic object. You could do the same
thing without the '=' sign.

Object app;

declares (and often defines) an object of type 'Object' and default-
initialises it.
[color=blue]
> Object *app = Object();[/color]

This is most likely nonsense. You declared a _pointer_ to an object of
type Object and tried initialising it using a temporary of type Object.
Unless type Object has a user-defined conversion to Object*, it won't
work.
[color=blue]
> Object app = new Object();[/color]

This is the inverse of the above. You declared (and probably defined)
an _object_ of type Object and are trying to initialise it using the
'new' expression (which returns a pointer). Unless Object type has
a special constructor that takes an argument of type Object* (a pointer
to Object), it won't work.
[color=blue]
> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
> what is happening, and the differences.[/color]

Have you tried a C++ book? If yes, which one? If not, why not?

C++ is a complicated language that cannot be simply guessed. If you
really want to learn C++, _study_ it.

class Object {};
int main()
{
Object obj; // declares and defines an instance of Object
// that has _automatic_ storage duration and
// will go away when the block in which it is
// defined, closes

Object *pobj = new Object; // declares and defines a pointer
// to Object and initialises it
// by creating a _dynamic_ object
// that will need to be destroyed at
// the end of your program by using
delete pobj; // ... the 'delete' keyword
}
[color=blue]
> Someone please help...
> As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]

Liking or disliking keywords is not a valid reason to use or not to
use them.

Take my advice: get a good book on C++ and study.
Victor

[Jonathan Turkanis]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote in message
news:6v1u10h1mr 6d86s6k13do8lpb a577gthvk@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.
>
> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
>
> Object app = Object();
> Object *app = Object();
> Object app = new Object();
>
>
> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
> what is happening, and the differences.[/color]

It's also bad because you can't always tell that something isn't
working. Things might look like they're working when in fact you have
memory leaks or you are accessing memory for an object which has been
destroyed but whose storage hasn't been cleaned up.

You really need to learn the basic rules of the language before you
start programming. C++ is designed so that you can start programming
before you are familiar with each language feature, but you certainly
can't jump in from Java with no C++ background and hope to know what's
going on.

Jonathan

[DrUg13]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:03:27 GMT, "Victor Bazarov"
<v.Abazarov@com Acast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote...[color=green]
>> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
>> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.[/color]
>
>You are just can't want anything else in Java...
>[color=green]
>> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
>> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
>>
>> Object app = Object();[/color]
>
>This is OK. 'app' is an automatic object. You could do the same
>thing without the '=' sign.
>
> Object app;
>
>declares (and often defines) an object of type 'Object' and default-
>initialises it.
>[color=green]
>> Object *app = Object();[/color]
>
>This is most likely nonsense. You declared a _pointer_ to an object of
>type Object and tried initialising it using a temporary of type Object.
>Unless type Object has a user-defined conversion to Object*, it won't
>work.
>[color=green]
>> Object app = new Object();[/color]
>
>This is the inverse of the above. You declared (and probably defined)
>an _object_ of type Object and are trying to initialise it using the
>'new' expression (which returns a pointer). Unless Object type has
>a special constructor that takes an argument of type Object* (a pointer
>to Object), it won't work.
>[color=green]
>> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
>> what is happening, and the differences.[/color]
>
>Have you tried a C++ book? If yes, which one? If not, why not?[/color]
I'm a CS senior in College... ANd I collect C++ books and subscribe to
safari. Some of my favorites are Deitel C++ programming, OReilly -
C++ in a Nutshell 2003, and my favorite Addison Wesley - The C++
Programming Language - 3rd Edition written by Bjarne himself..
[color=blue]
>
>C++ is a complicated language that cannot be simply guessed. If you
>really want to learn C++, _study_ it.[/color]
I'm always studing c++. Java just seems so easy, I think it is
confusing me.

[color=blue]
>
> class Object {};
> int main()
> {
> Object obj; // declares and defines an instance of Object
> // that has _automatic_ storage duration and
> // will go away when the block in which it is
> // defined, closes
>
> Object *pobj = new Object; // declares and defines a pointer
> // to Object and initialises it
> // by creating a _dynamic_ object
> // that will need to be destroyed at
> // the end of your program by using
> delete pobj; // ... the 'delete' keyword
> }
>[color=green]
>> Someone please help...
>> As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]
>
>Liking or disliking keywords is not a valid reason to use or not to
>use them.
>[/color]
I just like the simplicity of it.[color=blue]
>Take my advice: get a good book on C++ and study.
>Victor
>[/color]
Thanks Victor for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
You have cleared up som econfusion. I can tell you really know your
C++.
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[DrUg13]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:22:39 -0700, "Jonathan Turkanis"
<technews@kanga roologic.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote in message
>news:6v1u10h1m r6d86s6k13do8lp ba577gthvk@4ax. com...[color=green]
>> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
>> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.
>>
>> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
>> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
>>
>> Object app = Object();
>> Object *app = Object();
>> Object app = new Object();
>>
>>
>> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
>> what is happening, and the differences.[/color]
>
>It's also bad because you can't always tell that something isn't
>working. Things might look like they're working when in fact you have
>memory leaks or you are accessing memory for an object which has been
>destroyed but whose storage hasn't been cleaned up.
>[/color]
Really, I think you just figured out why I am asking the question.
[color=blue]
>You really need to learn the basic rules of the language before you
>start programming. C++ is designed so that you can start programming
>before you are familiar with each language feature, but you certainly
>can't jump in from Java with no C++ background and hope to know what's
>going on.
>
>Jonathan
>[/color]
Whatever, I am a C++ programmer with college level courses in C++. I
Just have been doing a lot of Java lately and got a little confused.
In any matter, your post has not helped me at all.

[Victor Bazarov]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote...[color=blue]
> I'm a CS senior in College... ANd I collect C++ books and subscribe to
> safari. Some of my favorites are Deitel C++ programming, OReilly -
> C++ in a Nutshell 2003, and my favorite Addison Wesley - The C++
> Programming Language - 3rd Edition written by Bjarne himself..[/color]

The latter is something you should use daily. I'd also recommend
"Accelerate d C++" by Koenig and Moo.
[color=blue]
> HEre is my ebook collection, which one is your favorite??
> [...]
> Addison Wesley - A Guide To Forensic Testimony.chm[/color]

This would be the one...

[color=blue]
> [...][/color]

[Jonathan Turkanis]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++


"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote in message
news:la9u105cjp 16fcva576r60rd9 ntse35vp8@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:22:39 -0700, "Jonathan Turkanis"[/color]
[color=blue]
> Whatever,[/color]

I never know what this is supposed to mean.
[color=blue]
> I am a C++ programmer with college level courses in C++. I
> Just have been doing a lot of Java lately and got a little confused.
> In any matter, your post has not helped me at all.[/color]

I didn't mean to insult your intelligence. You stated you were a Java
programmer, and asked some basic questions which would be natural for
a Java programmer looking at C++ for the first time. How could I guess
you had some college course in C++?

Jonathan

[llewelly]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

DrUg13 <livefast@dieyo ung.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:03:27 GMT, "Victor Bazarov"
> <v.Abazarov@com Acast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >"DrUg13" <livefast@dieyo ung.com> wrote...[color=darkred]
> >> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
> >> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.[/color]
> >
> >You are just can't want anything else in Java...
> >[color=darkred]
> >> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
> >> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
> >>
> >> Object app = Object();[/color]
> >
> >This is OK. 'app' is an automatic object. You could do the same
> >thing without the '=' sign.
> >
> > Object app;
> >
> >declares (and often defines) an object of type 'Object' and default-
> >initialises it.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Object *app = Object();[/color]
> >
> >This is most likely nonsense. You declared a _pointer_ to an object of
> >type Object and tried initialising it using a temporary of type Object.
> >Unless type Object has a user-defined conversion to Object*, it won't
> >work.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Object app = new Object();[/color]
> >
> >This is the inverse of the above. You declared (and probably defined)
> >an _object_ of type Object and are trying to initialise it using the
> >'new' expression (which returns a pointer). Unless Object type has
> >a special constructor that takes an argument of type Object* (a pointer
> >to Object), it won't work.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
> >> what is happening, and the differences.[/color]
> >
> >Have you tried a C++ book? If yes, which one? If not, why not?[/color]
> I'm a CS senior in College... ANd I collect C++ books and subscribe to
> safari. Some of my favorites are Deitel C++ programming,[/color]

Deitel & Deitel seems comforting and charming at first, but is in
fact riddled with errors and misconceptions.
[color=blue]
> OReilly -
> C++ in a Nutshell 2003, and my favorite Addison Wesley - The C++
> Programming Language - 3rd Edition written by Bjarne himself..[/color]

This last is the best of the 3. But you might need a different
approach; try Koenig & Moo's _Accelerated C++_ .
[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> >C++ is a complicated language that cannot be simply guessed. If you
> >really want to learn C++, _study_ it.[/color]
> I'm always studing c++. Java just seems so easy, I think it is
> confusing me.[/color]

Java has a good many features which seem similar to C++ features, but
due to radically different context, have suprisingly different
implications for programs. Don't write C++ the way you write
Java, and dont write Java the way you write C++.
[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > class Object {};
> > int main()
> > {
> > Object obj; // declares and defines an instance of Object
> > // that has _automatic_ storage duration and
> > // will go away when the block in which it is
> > // defined, closes
> >
> > Object *pobj = new Object; // declares and defines a pointer
> > // to Object and initialises it
> > // by creating a _dynamic_ object
> > // that will need to be destroyed at
> > // the end of your program by using
> > delete pobj; // ... the 'delete' keyword
> > }
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Someone please help...
> >> As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]
> >
> >Liking or disliking keywords is not a valid reason to use or not to
> >use them.
> >[/color]
> I just like the simplicity of it.[/color]

C++ new may seem similar, but the context is quite different:

(a) C++ allows user-defined types on the stack, as members, etc -
meaning many objects do not and should not be allocated with
new. This is unlike java which requires all objects of
user-defined type to allocated with new.

(b) C++ does not have garbage collection (well, the standard
allows it, and there is the boehm collector
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Hans_Boehm/gc/ but I don't know
of an implementation that provides it by default.)

(c) C++ pointers are both more powerful and more error-prone than
java references.
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Take my advice: get a good book on C++ and study.
> >Victor
> >[/color]
> Thanks Victor for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
> You have cleared up som econfusion. I can tell you really know your
> C++.
> HEre is my ebook collection, which one is your favorite??[/color]
[snip]

www.accu.org has reviews of many of these.

[David Harmon]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:37:05 GMT in comp.lang.c++, DrUg13
<livefast@dieyo ung.com> was alleged to have written:[color=blue]
>
>As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]

I suggest that as a C++ programmer, until you consider yourself an
expert, that you view "new" with suspicion. You should be using it
rarely, when nothing else will do what you need. Typical C++ variable
declaration looks like
Object app;
or
Object app(constructio n arguments);

I'll bet you have to think for a while to think of a case where "new" is
a good idea in C++. Use the standard library classes heavily instead.

[Gianni Mariani]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

DrUg13 wrote:[color=blue]
> In java, this seems so easy. You need a new object
> Object test = new Object() gives me exactly what I want.
>
> could someone please help me understand the different ways to do the
> same thing in C++. I find my self sometimes, trying
>
> Object app = Object();
> Object *app = Object();
> Object app = new Object();
>
>
> randomly till something works... and this is bad because Im confused
> what is happening, and the differences.
> Someone please help...
> As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]

One of the assets of C++ is the ability to explicitly control how an
object is created and destroyed (some people call this a liability but
we know better). However C++ allows you to create some very interesting
code because of this but you don't get there unless you understand all
of the ways the compiler manages your objects.

I wrote some code below that shows most of the ways objects are created
and destroyed and some common errors.

struct Thing
{
int life_determined _by_Thing;
};

Thing globally_alloca ted_thing;

Thing * globallay_alloc ated_pointer_to _thing;

Thing * FunctionReturns PointerToThing( )
{

static Thing statically_allo cated_construct ed_on_first_cal l;
// this object dies on exit of the process (or
// unloading of function)

return & statically_allo cated_construct ed_on_first_cal l;
}

void DoThings()
{

Thing auto_allocated_ thing_dies_on_r eturn;

// The thing below dies when explicity delete ed
Thing * pointer_to_thin g = new Thing;

return;
// pointer_to_thin g is gone and the Thing it was
// pointing to can't be deleted any more - a memory
// leak.
}

void DoMore()
{

// THIS IS REALLY REALLY BAD - unpredictable and likely
// bad behaviour happens here
delete FunctionReturns PointerToThing( );
}

void DoAnotherThing( Thing temporary_copy )
{
// take the address of the parameter
Thing * pointer_to_thin g = & temporary_copy;

// temporary_copy is destroyed after return from
// DoAnotherThing( )
}


void DoMoreThings( Thing & reference_to_pa ssed_variable )
{
// reference_to_pa ssed_variable "points" to the parameter
// that is passed into this function.

// This makes a temporary thing and destroys it once
// the expression is complete
Thing();
}

Thing * ImaBroken()
{
Thing auto_allocated_ thing_dies_on_r eturn;

return & auto_allocated_ thing_dies_on_r eturn;
// OOPS - a stale pointer is being returned - the caller
// will get a surprise when they try to use the return value.
}

.... and I haven't covered lvalues, references, const references,
allowable optimizations and some funny constructor syntax multiple
inheritance and virtual inheritance and how they affect the way objects
are constructed and destroyed.

Oh - and trust me, the explicit control of how an object is destroyed is
really important as it can help you write some very interesting interfaces.

[Ron Natalie]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++


"Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@com Acast.net> wrote in message news:3cETb.1654 46$sv6.901945@a ttbi_s52...
[color=blue]
> This is OK. 'app' is an automatic object. You could do the same
> thing without the '=' sign.
>
> Object app;
>
> declares (and often defines) an object of type 'Object' and default-
> initialises it.[/color]

Provided app is not POD unfortunately.

[Rolf Magnus]

Re: Object test = new Object() &lt;-- Java, best way in C++

DrUg13 wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm a CS senior in College... ANd I collect C++ books and subscribe to
> safari.[/color]

Collecting books isn't sufficient. You also need to read them. I figured
that out some time ago, after I had too many unread books in the
shelf :)
[color=blue]
> Some of my favorites are Deitel C++ programming, OReilly -
> C++ in a Nutshell 2003, and my favorite Addison Wesley - The C++
> Programming Language - 3rd Edition written by Bjarne himself..[/color]

I read TC++PL special edition (well, most of it), and if you have some
previous knowledge and want to get all the details, it's good. It's
also quite good as a reference.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>C++ is a complicated language that cannot be simply guessed. If you
>>really want to learn C++, _study_ it.[/color]
> I'm always studing c++.[/color]

Studying C++ doen't mean to write programs in it by trial and error, but
rather by reading a good book about it. I've done the former for quite
some time, and it kind of works, but takes a lot more time, and after
years, you still get surprised by simple and basic properties of C++.
[color=blue]
> Java just seems so easy, I think it is confusing me.
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> class Object {};
>> int main()
>> {
>> Object obj; // declares and defines an instance of Object
>> // that has _automatic_ storage duration and
>> // will go away when the block in which it is
>> // defined, closes
>>
>> Object *pobj = new Object; // declares and defines a pointer
>> // to Object and initialises it
>> // by creating a _dynamic_ object
>> // that will need to be destroyed at
>> // the end of your program by using
>> delete pobj; // ... the 'delete' keyword
>> }
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Someone please help...
>>> As a java programmer, I really like the new keyword.[/color]
>>
>>Liking or disliking keywords is not a valid reason to use or not to
>>use them.
>>[/color]
> I just like the simplicity of it.[/color]

No. You don't actually like the keyword 'new' itself. You like the
simplicity of how it works in Java. 'new' in C++ is _very_ different
from 'new' in Java, and you _need_ to get the whole picture if you
don't want to produce memory leaks, buffer overflow vulnerabilities and
the like all the time.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>Take my advice: get a good book on C++ and study.
>>Victor
>>[/color]
> Thanks Victor for taking the time to write such a detailed response.
> You have cleared up som econfusion. I can tell you really know your
> C++.[/color]

Those details are rather basic stuff, and if you didn't know them, it
should rather tell you that you don't really know C++.
[color=blue]
> HEre is my ebook collection, which one is your favorite??[/color]
[color=blue]
> CRC Press - Drug Abuse Handbook.pdf[/color]

That one, if it also tells how to use those correctly :)