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  • Mitch@_._

    How do I change careers?

    I was an electrical engineer. 10 years ago we made the decision that
    I would quit and stay home to raise kids.

    Now it's time to go back to work and I have no idea what to do.
    If I want to go into software development, should I go back to school
    for Comp Sci, or teach myself and try to get something entry-level?

    I'm 40 and at a total loss as to what to do next.
    What do I need to qualify for a job like this to get started:

  • Ignacio Machin ( .NET/ C# MVP )

    #2
    Re: How do I change careers?

    On Jun 12, 4:29 pm, Mitch@_._ wrote:
    I was an electrical engineer.  10 years ago we made the decision that
    I would quit and stay home to raise kids.
    >
    Now it's time to go back to work and I have no idea what to do.
    If I want to go into software development, should I go back to school
    for Comp Sci, or teach myself and try to get something entry-level?
    >
    I'm 40 and at a total loss as to what to do next.
    What do I need to qualify for a job like this to get started:http://tinyurl.com/57rtjt
    is that link safe for the office?

    I think this is spam

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    • MC

      #3
      Re: How do I change careers?

      <Mitch@_._wro te in message news:1k1354p8ms 6ctjtet84miq0bi rs84ruar1@4ax.c om...
      >I was an electrical engineer. 10 years ago we made the decision that
      I would quit and stay home to raise kids.
      I understand the demand for people who can do analog electronics now exceeds the supply -- you should look around for opportunities to stay in your present career. There are lots of self-taught programmers and not a lot of self-taught circuit designers.

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      • parez

        #4
        Re: How do I change careers?

        On Jun 12, 5:51 pm, "Ignacio Machin ( .NET/ C# MVP )"
        <ignacio.mac... @gmail.comwrote :
        On Jun 12, 4:29 pm, Mitch@_._ wrote:
        >
        I was an electrical engineer. 10 years ago we made the decision that
        I would quit and stay home to raise kids.
        >
        Now it's time to go back to work and I have no idea what to do.
        If I want to go into software development, should I go back to school
        for Comp Sci, or teach myself and try to get something entry-level?
        >
        I'm 40 and at a total loss as to what to do next.
        What do I need to qualify for a job like this to get started:http://tinyurl.com/57rtjt
        >
        is that link safe for the office?
        It depends on the kind of office you work in. One of my exboss sent me
        a link to a nasty site/ called the lemon party.
        It was disgusting...
        I think this is spam
        I am willing to bet a dollar that it is spam.


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        • Peter Duniho

          #5
          Re: How do I change careers?

          On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:12:47 -0700, parez <psawant@gmail. comwrote:
          [...]
          >I think this is spam
          I am willing to bet a dollar that it is spam.
          It's just a job listing. If it'd been a complete stranger posting,
          sure...I think "spam" (or worse) is a pretty good guess. But Mitch's
          posted before. He didn't seem like the kind of guy who'd post spam, and
          his question seems serious to me.

          Of course, I have no idea about the answer to his question. My personal
          feeling is that a job interview ought to rely on performance rather than
          credentials. I've seen too many people with the right credentials but the
          wrong performance. But many, if not most, hiring authorities don't see it
          that way.

          I'd guess that for a lot of jobs, without some specific credentials --
          either certification, or some specific degree or other training -- just
          getting that first interview is unlikely.

          Of course, the flip side to that is that the most enjoyable jobs are
          probably at companies that recognize that performance matters more than
          credentials and who are willing to interview a broader selection of
          people, so that they can filter on performance instead. A person who
          believes that may be better off just making sure they've got the ability
          to perform and not worry about the specific path to getting that skill (or
          rather, focus on the path that works best for them, rather than worrying
          about which path might be most acceptable in the industry).

          Anyway, who knows if that's helpful to the OP. But it's my two cents. :)

          Pete

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          • Mitch@_._

            #6
            Re: How do I change careers?

            On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:55:29 -0400, "MC"
            <for.address.lo ok@www.ai.uga.e du.slash.mcwrot e:
            >
            >I There are lots of self-taught programmers and not a lot of self-taught circuit designers.
            Actually, I never did any design work. Right out of school I got a
            crappy project engineering job that required no technical skills.

            Then I got a job programming robotic manufacturing systems, which I
            loved. It was a proprietary assembler language. Very small
            instruction set, so it required creative ways to get things done.

            Anyway, if I can get some kind of entry-level job that has mobility, I
            wouldn't have a problem with that, because I know that I learn and
            grow quickly, and I wouldn't be entry-level for long.

            But after 10 years, I'm definitely not qualified to interview for most
            of the engineering jobs I see posted.

            If I have to start over, at least I know from experience that I really
            enjoy writing code.

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            • Arved Sandstrom

              #7
              Re: How do I change careers?

              "Ignacio Machin ( .NET/ C# MVP )" <ignacio.machin @gmail.comwrote in
              message
              news:1ba66e93-41e9-4570-9328-06032231ffe6@f3 6g2000hsa.googl egroups.com...
              On Jun 12, 4:29 pm, Mitch@_._ wrote:
              I was an electrical engineer. 10 years ago we made the decision that
              I would quit and stay home to raise kids.
              >
              Now it's time to go back to work and I have no idea what to do.
              If I want to go into software development, should I go back to school
              for Comp Sci, or teach myself and try to get something entry-level?
              >
              I'm 40 and at a total loss as to what to do next.
              What do I need to qualify for a job like this to get
              started:http://tinyurl.com/57rtjt
              is that link safe for the office?

              I think this is spam

              *************** ***************
              What I particularly liked about the link was this description of people that
              work at the place:

              "Hubbard's team is made up of friendly, smart, high-bandwidth, and driven
              individuals."

              What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? Does this mean that they
              frequently "think outside the box"? Or does it mean that they have lots of
              "core competencies"? Or does it mean they need lots of hand-holding and
              meds?

              AHS


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              • Peter Duniho

                #8
                Re: How do I change careers?

                On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:15:36 -0700, Arved Sandstrom
                <asandstrom@acc esswave.cawrote :
                [...]
                What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? Does this mean that they
                frequently "think outside the box"? Or does it mean that they have lots
                of
                "core competencies"? Or does it mean they need lots of hand-holding and
                meds?
                I agree that the term is ambiguous. But in the communities in which I've
                heard it used, it describes a person who has a high capacity for rapid
                acquisition of information. I.e. a "fast learner", or especially one who
                can quickly integrate new information and synthesize conclusions from that
                information.

                So, I don't think it means any of the things you suggested. :)

                Pete

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                • parez

                  #9
                  Re: How do I change careers?

                  On Jun 13, 1:20 pm, "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPe...@nn owslpianmk.com>
                  wrote:
                  On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:15:36 -0700, Arved Sandstrom
                  >
                  <asandst...@acc esswave.cawrote :
                  [...]
                  What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? Does this mean that they
                  frequently "think outside the box"? Or does it mean that they have lots
                  of
                  "core competencies"? Or does it mean they need lots of hand-holding and
                  meds?
                  >
                  I agree that the term is ambiguous. But in the communities in which I've
                  heard it used, it describes a person who has a high capacity for rapid
                  acquisition of information. I.e. a "fast learner", or especially one who
                  can quickly integrate new information and synthesize conclusions from that
                  information.
                  >
                  So, I don't think it means any of the things you suggested. :)
                  >
                  Pete
                  I think i am a "high-bandwidth" individual. I have comcast with
                  powerboost. ;)
                  Sorry couldnt help it.

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                  • Mitch@_._

                    #10
                    Re: How do I change careers?

                    >
                    >I think i am a "high-bandwidth" individual.
                    I eat lots of fiber.

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                    • Arved Sandstrom

                      #11
                      Re: How do I change careers?

                      "Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPeAdM@nn owslpianmk.comw rote in message
                      news:op.uco6gdy v8jd0ej@petes-computer.local. ..
                      On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:15:36 -0700, Arved Sandstrom
                      <asandstrom@acc esswave.cawrote :
                      >
                      >[...]
                      >What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? Does this mean that they
                      >frequently "think outside the box"? Or does it mean that they have lots
                      >of
                      >"core competencies"? Or does it mean they need lots of hand-holding and
                      >meds?
                      >
                      I agree that the term is ambiguous. But in the communities in which I've
                      heard it used, it describes a person who has a high capacity for rapid
                      acquisition of information. I.e. a "fast learner", or especially one who
                      can quickly integrate new information and synthesize conclusions from that
                      information.
                      >
                      So, I don't think it means any of the things you suggested. :)
                      >
                      Pete
                      I figured it for something like that, although my actual guess was "someone
                      who knows a lot of stuff and can apply it readily". Pretty close to yours
                      except for the acquisition bit. Me, I like the term "fast learner". :-)

                      I have little patience with buzzwords, which makes me unpopular in certain
                      parts...as an example, if someone describes their app as "robust", I ask,
                      "Oh, d'you mean properly designed?"

                      AHS


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                      • MC

                        #12
                        Re: How do I change careers?

                        Various of my esteemed colleagues write:

                        >>What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? ...
                        I figured it for something like that, although my actual guess was "someone
                        who knows a lot of stuff and can apply it readily". Pretty close to yours
                        except for the acquisition bit. Me, I like the term "fast learner". :-)

                        I have little patience with buzzwords, which makes me unpopular in certain
                        parts...as an example, if someone describes their app as "robust", I ask,
                        "Oh, d'you mean properly designed?"
                        Well said! The other thing I don't like is people who speak and write in TLAs (three-letter acronyms), especially newly-coined ones. Making up a new abbreviation for everything, and then tossing letters around ad nauseam, is no substitute for speaking plain English.

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                        • parez

                          #13
                          Re: How do I change careers?

                          On Jun 15, 11:23 am, "MC" <for.address.l. ..@www.ai.uga.e du.slash.mc>
                          wrote:
                          Various of my esteemed colleagues write:
                          >
                          >What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? ...
                          I figured it for something like that, although my actual guess was "someone
                          who knows a lot of stuff and can apply it readily". Pretty close to yours
                          except for the acquisition bit. Me, I like the term "fast learner". :-)
                          >
                          I have little patience with buzzwords, which makes me unpopular in certain
                          parts...as an example, if someone describes their app as "robust", I ask,
                          "Oh, d'you mean properly designed?"
                          >
                          Well said! The other thing I don't like is people who speak and write in TLAs (three-letter acronyms), especially newly-coined ones. Making up a new abbreviation for everything, and then tossing letters around ad nauseam, is no substitute for speaking plain English.
                          LOL

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                          • =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lasse_V=E5gs=E6ther_Karlsen?=

                            #14
                            Re: How do I change careers?

                            parez wrote:
                            On Jun 15, 11:23 am, "MC" <for.address.l. ..@www.ai.uga.e du.slash.mc>
                            wrote:
                            >Various of my esteemed colleagues write:
                            >>
                            >>>>What exactly is a "high-bandwidth" individual? ...
                            >>I figured it for something like that, although my actual guess was "someone
                            >>who knows a lot of stuff and can apply it readily". Pretty close to yours
                            >>except for the acquisition bit. Me, I like the term "fast learner". :-)
                            >>I have little patience with buzzwords, which makes me unpopular in certain
                            >>parts...as an example, if someone describes their app as "robust", I ask,
                            >>"Oh, d'you mean properly designed?"
                            >Well said! The other thing I don't like is people who speak and write in TLAs (three-letter acronyms), especially newly-coined ones. Making up a new abbreviation for everything, and then tossing letters around ad nauseam, is no substitute for speaking plain English.
                            >
                            LOL
                            Man, that made me laugh :D

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                            • Peter Duniho

                              #15
                              Re: How do I change careers?

                              On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:00:13 -0700, Arved Sandstrom
                              <asandstrom@acc esswave.cawrote :
                              [...]
                              I have little patience with buzzwords, which makes me unpopular in
                              certain
                              parts...as an example, if someone describes their app as "robust", I ask,
                              "Oh, d'you mean properly designed?"
                              Well, I have little patience with buzzwords that add nothing to the
                              conversation. But a lot of jargon turns out to be concise ways to express
                              commonly used concepts. They can be unfamiliar to "outsiders" , but within
                              the community in which they are known, they can make for more efficient
                              communication.

                              Personally, I think that the use of "bandwidth" here falls into that
                              category. YMMV.

                              I do tend to object to the use of some arbitrary term to describe
                              something we've already got a perfectly good word for. But appropriating
                              existing words to describe a related concept in a new way is how language
                              evolves. Every person has their own threshold for what's "reasonable ",
                              but IMHO it doesn't make sense to reject jargon just because it's jargon.

                              Pete

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