How can a person become a C# MVP

[weird0]

How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
etc. etc.

Regards

[RobertK]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

[Alberto Poblacion]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

"weird0" <amirediwan@gma il.comwrote in message
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How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
etc. etc.

I believe that you mean an MCP (Microsoft Certified Professional) instead
of MVP (Most Valuable Professional).

You can study to become an MCP, and then take some examinations, and you
become an MCP automatically if you pass them (see
www.microsoft.com/learning).
On the other hand, MVP is an award that you get for your contributions to
the community. This is not automatic. Someone has to nominate you, and then
Microsoft chooses who get the awards from among those who are nominated.

[Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Just to elaborate on previous responses, if you do in fact mean MVP, the
MVP program is not a certification, it is an award that is given out to
those that contribute in peer-to-peer environments for Microsoft
Technologies. That being said, there is no set criteria for being awarded
MVP status, and it is at the discretion of MS to do so (the party line,
which I have not seen them deviate from is there is no criteria, that people
are evaluated on a case-by-case basis).


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How can a person become a C# MVP.. or say a complete MVP?
What are the details:
1. What are the recommended books?
2. How many papers are there?
3. How to go about studying it? Where to do the practicals ?
4. What is the fee structure?
etc. etc.
>
Regards

[weird0]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

I am really interested in the certification of C#, especially if it
earns me a better pay. Reading the Wrox books just does not seem
enough, because I find it very hard to implement each and every
tutorial, to learn the language.

Are the certification recommended books any better? What are the
career future prospects of doing MCP?

Regards

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

weird0 <amirediwan@gma il.comwrote:

I am really interested in the certification of C#, especially if it
earns me a better pay. Reading the Wrox books just does not seem
enough, because I find it very hard to implement each and every
tutorial, to learn the language.
>
Are the certification recommended books any better? What are the
career future prospects of doing MCP?

I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

--
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk

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Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

weird0 <amirediwan@gma il.comwrote:

>I am really interested in the certification of C#, especially if it
>earns me a better pay. Reading the Wrox books just does not seem
>enough, because I find it very hard to implement each and every
>tutorial, to learn the language.
>>
>Are the certification recommended books any better? What are the
>career future prospects of doing MCP?

I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

I agree completly, but unfortunatly, there are a lot of companies who
has people with absolutly no IT skills, reading the job applications,
and they thing certificats must mean good developers. So to get through
the first screening, the certificates can help.

And depending on how you do it, you could actually learn something while
doing the certifications.

/Søren

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Søren Reinke <soren@REMOVE.r einke.dkwrote:

I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

I agree completly, but unfortunatly, there are a lot of companies who
has people with absolutly no IT skills, reading the job applications,
and they thing certificats must mean good developers. So to get through
the first screening, the certificates can help.

Yes, sometimes. Personally I wouldn't usually want to work for a
company which valued certification that much, mind you :)

And depending on how you do it, you could actually learn something while
doing the certifications.

That's true - but I suspect you'd generally learn more by learning for
the sake of learning.

--
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk

[Kalpesh]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Jon,

Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?
I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.

I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
under-performer.

Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

What do you think about this?
Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

Your advice is highly appreciated.

BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
post your reply

Thanks for being a good teacher.

Kalpesh

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Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Søren Reinke <soren@REMOVE.r einke.dkwrote:

>>I personally value certifications far less than a genuine interest in
>>technology and passion in learning. Concentrate on becoming a better
>>developer, and you will become more valuable at the same time.

>I agree completly, but unfortunatly, there are a lot of companies who
>has people with absolutly no IT skills, reading the job applications,
>and they thing certificats must mean good developers. So to get through
>the first screening, the certificates can help.

Yes, sometimes. Personally I wouldn't usually want to work for a
company which valued certification that much, mind you :)

True, but sometimes the companies have funny policies when hiring people.
And you need to get through the people doing the hiring first, even
worse when they use external compnies for screening new employees. (At
least in Denmark and Germany)

>And depending on how you do it, you could actually learn something while
>doing the certifications.

That's true - but I suspect you'd generally learn more by learning for
the sake of learning.

That depends purely on the person doing the studying.

You could do the :
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk :-)
without learning a thing, while taking some certifications and learn a lot.
And of course also the other way around.

It depends purely on the person doing the learning.

/Søren

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Kalpesh <shahkalpesh@gm ail.comwrote:

Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?

Read, practise, absorb everything you can, basically. There's more to
read than anyone could ever actually finish - always more to learn.
Encourage your colleagues to review your code, and try to learn from
them.

I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.
>
I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
under-performer.
>
Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

Indeed. I don't tend to ask detailed questions like that except for
fundamentals. I'd expect a *few* ASP.NET events to be known about, but
not all of them. However, for an alternative of the kind of thing I
*do* expect people to know, I sometimes present people with a list of
types (string, object, Guid, double, Stream, int, etc - well known
types) and ask which are value types and which are reference types.
Asking people to describe the differences between value types and
reference types is also interesting in an interview.

What do you think about this?
Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

Absolutely. Anywhere that encourages personal development (in reality -
not just in theory) is good.

Your advice is highly appreciated.
>
BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
post your reply
>
Thanks for being a good teacher.

My pleasure :) I'm always learning from others too.

--
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk

[Kalpesh]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP


Thanks Jon for your reply.
I am looking forward to your book here in India

Best wishes
Kalpesh


Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Kalpesh <shahkalpesh@gm ail.comwrote:

>Its good to hear from you about - how to become better developer?

>
Read, practise, absorb everything you can, basically. There's more to
read than anyone could ever actually finish - always more to learn.
Encourage your colleagues to review your code, and try to learn from
them.
>

>I have very good experience (in number of years) doing development.
>Personally, I haven't grown to the extent - I should have.
>>
>I should be able to design/architect things by now. But, I have been an
>under-performer.
>>
>Let me give you an example & may I ask you to evaluate it?
>I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
>know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one
>can find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
>remember it all.

>
Indeed. I don't tend to ask detailed questions like that except for
fundamentals. I'd expect a *few* ASP.NET events to be known about, but
not all of them. However, for an alternative of the kind of thing I
*do* expect people to know, I sometimes present people with a list of
types (string, object, Guid, double, Stream, int, etc - well known
types) and ask which are value types and which are reference types.
Asking people to describe the differences between value types and
reference types is also interesting in an interview.
>

>What do you think about this?
>Also, what are the small steps one should take to become good developer
>one step at a time? I feel, having to work in an organization that
>supports that kind of culture - could be a good help.

>
Absolutely. Anywhere that encourages personal development (in reality -
not just in theory) is good.
>

>Your advice is highly appreciated.
>>
>BTW, in this www world, I have learnt from people - who I havent met
>personally yet. You are one of them. I watch for threads on which you
>post your reply
>>
>Thanks for being a good teacher.

>
My pleasure :) I'm always learning from others too.
>

[Cor Ligthert[MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Kalpesh,

I am asked in an interview - the asp.net page lifecycle. Now, I do not
know, what is the sequence & name of the event. Personally, I feel one can
find/use appropriate events or methods at the time of need than to
remember it all.

Be aware that some persons who ask questions don't know the answer too. They
often have read something about it and don't themselves know what is really
meant with this.

Probably was in this case meant that an asp page is stateless, however in my
opinion has that not much to do with the lifetime of an asp.page. That can
be endless if a user keeps his/her computer all time on and never close
his/her browser/tab containing that page.

Cor

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

Kalpesh <shahkalpesh@gm ail.comwrote:

Thanks Jon for your reply.
I am looking forward to your book here in India

Me too - I'm anxious to see it all on properly printed paper etc. Not
long to go now :)

--
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.co m>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/jon.skeet
World class .NET training in the UK: http://iterativetraining.co.uk

[Cor Ligthert[MVP]]

Re: How can a person become a C# MVP

>
Me too - I'm anxious to see it all on properly printed paper etc. Not
long to go now :)
>

Jon,

Will you sent me a mail as it is there?

Cor