Architecure advice from the real world: MVC or Webforms

[ChevronBoyde]

Hi All

I am a systems architect that has been on a 3 year extended sabbatical from
development and I am busy with a new project.

I am designing a new event website and need some advice on some of the new
architectures. There seems to be a lot of hype around MVC at the moment, but
see we are still in beta. I fear for the Tag Soup I see unfolding and
remember how MS pushed us away from that in the 90's. Are there any issues
with AJAX in MVC?

I am trying to get some advice from people who have developed any projects
using MVC and what shortcommings they had.

Thanks,

Chev

[Aaron West]

Re: Architecure advice from the real world: MVC or Webforms

I'm just starting to learn it. Still wondering if I might switch to
MVP. ( Catharsis http://www.codeplex.com/Catharsis , or MVC#
http://www.mvcsharp.org/Overview/Default.aspx )

Well, I'm mixed. I think it's great for applications with many pages
(many ControllerActio ns and many Views), and the the model is nice to
learn, but it feels like the design-time environment doesn't help much
for development. Although, I rather like having no viewstate, and the
model "feels" rather clean.

Also realize IIS 6.0 doesn't work (without some extra work). I got it to
work with a combination of mapping the .mvc extension, and installing a
redirecting filter.

Also I find it annoying that the URLS sometimes seem hard to specify
correctly. ~/Controller/ViewName doesn't seem to work in many places
(eg. forms). But I might be doing something wrong.

Lack of documentation built-into Visual Studio can be an issue... for
example, knowing how to create typed views. It's not hard; watch the
asp.net/mvc videos and you'd know.

But I got over most humps.

I don't really have much to say on this; I'm too new. This is interesting:

http://greggalipeau.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/choosing-a-ui-pattern-mvc-mvp-and-aspnet-mvc/

ChevronBoyde wrote:

Hi All
>
I am a systems architect that has been on a 3 year extended sabbatical
from development and I am busy with a new project.
>
I am designing a new event website and need some advice on some of the
new architectures. There seems to be a lot of hype around MVC at the
moment, but see we are still in beta. I fear for the Tag Soup I see
unfolding and remember how MS pushed us away from that in the 90's. Are
there any issues with AJAX in MVC?
>
I am trying to get some advice from people who have developed any
projects using MVC and what shortcommings they had.
>
Thanks,
>
Chev
>
>

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RE: Architecure advice from the real world: MVC or Webforms

you can find lots of opinions on this, just google.

factors that would push you to mvc:

you practice test first design or use unit tests
you plan on a lot of javascript (rich client)
you want a REST interface to your site
you plan on using jQuery or Dojo toolkits
you perfer the MVC pattern


-- bruce (sqlwork.com)


"ChevronBoy de" wrote:

Hi All
>
I am a systems architect that has been on a 3 year extended sabbatical from
development and I am busy with a new project.
>
I am designing a new event website and need some advice on some of the new
architectures. There seems to be a lot of hype around MVC at the moment, but
see we are still in beta. I fear for the Tag Soup I see unfolding and
remember how MS pushed us away from that in the 90's. Are there any issues
with AJAX in MVC?
>
I am trying to get some advice from people who have developed any projects
using MVC and what shortcommings they had.
>
Thanks,
>
Chev
>
>
>

[Chevron Boyde]

Re: Architecure advice from the real world: MVC or Webforms

Guess I am going to try and develop a small test project covering the major
tech needed and see how it goes.

Always nice to learn new bit anyhow.

Will keep this thread updated with my findings...


"bruce barker" <brucebarker@di scussions.micro soft.comwrote in message
news:C9930547-E4C7-4C3C-825E-EEF948E11BCF@mi crosoft.com...

you can find lots of opinions on this, just google.
>
factors that would push you to mvc:
>
you practice test first design or use unit tests
you plan on a lot of javascript (rich client)
you want a REST interface to your site
you plan on using jQuery or Dojo toolkits
you perfer the MVC pattern
>
>
-- bruce (sqlwork.com)
>
>
"ChevronBoy de" wrote:
>

>Hi All
>>
>I am a systems architect that has been on a 3 year extended sabbatical
>from
>development and I am busy with a new project.
>>
>I am designing a new event website and need some advice on some of the
>new
>architecture s. There seems to be a lot of hype around MVC at the moment,
>but
>see we are still in beta. I fear for the Tag Soup I see unfolding and
>remember how MS pushed us away from that in the 90's. Are there any
>issues
>with AJAX in MVC?
>>
>I am trying to get some advice from people who have developed any
>projects
>using MVC and what shortcommings they had.
>>
>Thanks,
>>
>Chev
>>
>>
>>