Prevent VS 2005 from trying to parse media files

[Robert Dunlop]

I am using Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 for development of an ASP.NET site,
and I have a problem that greatly effects my workflow at times. It seems
that after I upload new files anywhere within the directory structure of the
site that is visible to VS, the next time I perform a build VS takes extra
time, apparently downloading the new files (though the time required seems
much longer than a one-time download should take). During this time VS
appears to be hung, the only way to cancel the build is to close VS through
task manager. As the site includes some rather large media files, this can
sometimes mean I have to walk away for several hours while I let VS do its
thing.

What causes this, and is there a way to prevent it? Usually I am uploading
the media files through FTP, maybe I should upload them through the IDE so
VS doesn't feel it needs to examine these new files? I don't find them
anywhere in the local cache for the project, so it doesn't seem that they
are downloaded to update the local copy of the project. The files involved
are media files with extensions unrelated to a build, so if not for caching
why is it reading these files?

I find an option for excluding a file from the project, but this renames the
file with a .exclude extension, which I don't find to be an acceptable
option. Is there maybe an element that I could include in a web.config file
to configure a directory to be ignored by the compiler? Or something buried
in the VS settings?


Presently, I've been waiting over an hour to compile a 2 line change to a
..cs file, arrgggh! Help!


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Robert Dunlop
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[John Saunders]

Re: Prevent VS 2005 from trying to parse media files

"bruce barker" <brucebarker@di scussions.micro soft.comwrote in message
news:69937852-A41C-47E9-851B-4AEF57EB0BB9@mi crosoft.com...

it has nothing to do with being a web site. when a build is done, asp.net
is
called to do a compile (with an application proj, the code behinds are
compiled first, then the asp.net compiler called to compile evertyhing
else).
if you remove a build step in a web application, then the asp.net compiler
is
used instead. the only way to exclude a file is to make the extension
.exclude
>
with vs, instead of building in place, all files in the website are copied
to a temp folder except those that vs compiel (then its just the output
dll's), and then the asp.net compiler is called. the asp.net compiler
actually has its own temp folder that the compiler output goes to. the dev
webserver reads from this temp area.
>
in your case the one approach is not not use the dev web server. use iis
instead. then compiles can happen in place, so media will not be copied.
you
may need to set vs to not build before running and you can still debug.
>
another approach is to move the media to another vdir so its does not
effect
the build.

Bruce, it seems there are several questions here; perhaps you can help the
OP understand. Also, other developers on my team are experiencing much
longer build times today, after our servers were moved to another state.
This may be related to their problem as well.

One question for the OP: what is the file extension of the media files being
built?
Bruce, given that answer, I hope you will be able to help identify which
"builder" is building those particular files.

In my case, we all use Web Application Projects, and I had never noticed
this behavior before. Were you talking about something that happens during
the use of the Build command (as the OP seems to have been asking), or are
you referring to the build that happens at run-time, once the web
application has been deployed? I've never noticed an IDE or MSBUILD build
doing anything with media files other than copy them if their build type is
set to "Content". Can you say which task or target is used for this step?
That would help me find it in the rather large Detailed MSBUILD log I have.
I just searched it for "aspnet_", and don't see it there.
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John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer

[Robert Dunlop]

Re: Prevent VS 2005 from trying to parse media files

"John Saunders" <no@dont.do.tha t.comwrote in message
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"bruce barker" <brucebarker@di scussions.micro soft.comwrote in message
news:69937852-A41C-47E9-851B-4AEF57EB0BB9@mi crosoft.com...

>it has nothing to do with being a web site. when a build is done,
>asp.net is
>called to do a compile (with an application proj, the code behinds are
>compiled first, then the asp.net compiler called to compile evertyhing
>else).
>if you remove a build step in a web application, then the asp.net
>compiler is
>used instead. the only way to exclude a file is to make the extension
>.exclude
>>
>with vs, instead of building in place, all files in the website are
>copied
>to a temp folder except those that vs compiel (then its just the output
>dll's), and then the asp.net compiler is called. the asp.net compiler
>actually has its own temp folder that the compiler output goes to. the
>dev
>webserver reads from this temp area.
>>
>in your case the one approach is not not use the dev web server. use iis
>instead. then compiles can happen in place, so media will not be copied.
>you
>may need to set vs to not build before running and you can still debug.
>>
>another approach is to move the media to another vdir so its does not
>effect
>the build.

>
Bruce, it seems there are several questions here; perhaps you can help the
OP understand. Also, other developers on my team are experiencing much
longer build times today, after our servers were moved to another state.
This may be related to their problem as well.
>
One question for the OP: what is the file extension of the media files
being built?
Bruce, given that answer, I hope you will be able to help identify which
"builder" is building those particular files.

There are a number of different file formats that have triggered this
behavior:

..flv (Flash video)
..swf (compiled Shockwave Flash application)
..mp3 (MPEG layer 3 audio)
..pdf (Adobe PDF documents)

It seems to me that any files added are triggering this behavior, I noticed
those simply because they are big and have a major impact at build time.
And as I noted before, this is a one time thing, once I let it work through
the long build it doesn't occur again until I add or modify a media file
(which is pretty often right now). Then VS reads the whole web site the
next time I select "Build" -"Build Solution", or any other build type for
that matter. If I haven't made any changes to media files since the last
build, the build process is nice and quick.

In my case, we all use Web Application Projects, and I had never noticed
this behavior before. Were you talking about something that happens during
the use of the Build command (as the OP seems to have been asking), or are
you referring to the build that happens at run-time, once the web
application has been deployed? I've never noticed an IDE or MSBUILD build
doing anything with media files other than copy them if their build type
is set to "Content". Can you say which task or target is used for this
step? That would help me find it in the rather large Detailed MSBUILD log
I have. I just searched it for "aspnet_", and don't see it there.

I increased the output options in settings to detailed, and it seems this is
occurring in some initial step labeled "Validating Files" or some such (I'll
post back with the exact message next time I build), which is where the time
is spent. Once that is complete I get messages from the actual build
process, which in itself takes little time. So I don't think it is really
trying to compile these files, rather it is something to do with a cache
refresh or some such... yet these files never make it to any locally cached
copy that I can find (aside from temporary internet file folder, while this
"validation " is happening). The only files locally cached are those which
actually should be used in the compile (.cs, .aspx, .dll, etc). Which leads
me to wonder how it knows not to read these files on subsequent builds....
Maybe there is some way I could trick it into not reading them, if I knew
where such information was held?

One final note, the site is co-hosted at GoDaddy, so I don't have much in
the way of options when it comes to making adjustments to IIS, creating
vdirs, etc.

Another thought that I have had is that maybe this is a VS2005 quirk that I
am saddled with. I do have VS 2008 Express installed, should I consider
trying that out, if so are there any migration issues I should be ready for?

Thanks Bruce and John for your attention to this issue, I've been dealing
with this issue for a while but it's finally reached a critical point where
it is effecting my ability to perform... hopefully there is a solution out
there...


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Robert Dunlop
----------------------

http://www.directxzone.org

http://rdunlop.spaces.live.com

Microsoft DirectX MVP 1998-2006

[John Saunders]

Re: Prevent VS 2005 from trying to parse media files

"Robert Dunlop" <rdunlop@mvps.o rgwrote in message
news:u4JzuK8MJH A.5648@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...

I increased the output options in settings to detailed, and it seems this
is occurring in some initial step labeled "Validating Files" or some such
(I'll post back with the exact message next time I build), which is where
the time is spent. Once that is complete I get messages from the actual
build process, which in itself takes little time. So I don't think it is
really trying to compile these files, rather it is something to do with a
cache refresh or some such

....

Another thought that I have had is that maybe this is a VS2005 quirk that
I am saddled with. I do have VS 2008 Express installed, should I consider
trying that out, if so are there any migration issues I should be ready
for?

I don't know of any migration issues. If you were using Web Application
Projects (or any project, for that matter), then there's a trivial "upgrade"
required to the project files, to specify that the V3.5 tools should be
used. That's the kind of upgrade I've taken care of with the "Replace in
Files" command.

Are you running VS2005 SP1? If not, then I might try that first, just to see
if this is a bug they fixed.

Also, see this blog post:
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archi...h-VS-2005.aspx. I
found it during the following search:
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Sea...eb%20site&ac=8.

I didn't have time to go through the 150,000 hits, but there were some
interesting ones in the first few pages. Take a look and see if one helps.

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John Saunders | MVP - Connected System Developer