VBS in ASP

[Bob Barrows]

Re: VBS in ASP

Fox wrote:[color=blue]
> You must be old enough to know that everything cannot
> be known by a surface appearance. You have no idea
> why I posted on two groups and you did not ask or wait to
> find out. You were not being kind and informative, you
> were taking advantage of someone who needs help and
> instead talking an opportunity to have some fun at their
> expense.
>[/color]

Here is an example of why we dsilike it when people multipost:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=ui4gFHGvDHA.1744%40TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl&rnum=26&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dauthor:Bob%2Bauthor:Barrows%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D4%26as_minm%3D12%26as_miny%3D2003%26as_maxd%3D9%26as_maxm%3D12%26as_maxy%3D2003%26start%3D20%26sa%3DN

Let me ask you which of the following outcomes you would prefer:

A. You multipost a few times and initially get answers to your questions,
but then you realize that nobody is answering your questions or even giving
you an indication that they have read your questions.

or

B. Your initial multipost receives a response requesting you to refrain from
multiposting, so you stop multiposting and receive prompt answers on all
your future questions

I think if you reflect on it, you will realize that Ray was attempting to do
you a favor.

Bob Barrows

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[Fox]

Re: VBS in ASP

Might as well answer both of you at the same time.
First to Ray. I am not new at this, so I do not have that
excuse. I know what you did because I frequent other
NGs and I know the routine. Ray, you could have simply
stated something in 2 lines instead of sending me to a page
which tells me that someone is annoyed with me. That is not
defensibe as a favor. That is wasting my time and getting your
rocks off and you know it. Why did you go to back to the
other NG to read my next post? Having some fun there Ray;)

Bob, as for your defense of him, I think that you are well
intended but you should rethink Rays approach.

As for my double post, I was desparate and as soon as I got
a response on the one group, I ended the other and it was
before anyone had responded. I did not know which group to
post in and when you are desparately in a hurry, I think that
just might be defensible. I know what you are trying to tell me but
it was the manner that makes the difference. And that is the
reason for this note and also to get my own rocks off cause
I am very frustrated and cannot meet a deadline that is
very important.

In fact I still don't have what I need and this is serious.
I am trying to work it out myself instead of leaning on
others. Don't you think that some people are deserving
of a break and don't need insult added to them when they
are in a crisis. Can't we all just get along (that's embarassing ;)

As I said, you can choose which kind of
person you are. I think that Bob, your intent was to be positive
and I thank you for that. Ray, what you did was not really
a big deal, but it was childish. You are a grown-up and
I am guessing that you can write exactly what you want
to say when you want to help someone. So what you did
was obviously just a childish atttempt at getting your rocks
off.

Sorry to be so laborsome over trivia, but maybe I can
get some of my frustration off my chest and just maybe
Ray is reachable and can be self-effacing. Ray, I teach
my kids something that might reach you. I tell them that
even if they have to lie to others, never lie to your self.

Fox

"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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> Fox wrote:[color=green]
> > You must be old enough to know that everything cannot
> > be known by a surface appearance. You have no idea
> > why I posted on two groups and you did not ask or wait to
> > find out. You were not being kind and informative, you
> > were taking advantage of someone who needs help and
> > instead talking an opportunity to have some fun at their
> > expense.
> >[/color]
>
> Here is an example of why we dsilike it when people multipost:
>[/color]

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=ui4gFHGvDHA

..1744%40TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl& rnum=26&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dau thor:Bob%2Bauth or:
Barrows%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26ie %3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_drrb%3Db %26as_mind%
3D4%26as_minm%3 D12%26as_miny%3 D2003%26as_maxd %3D9%26as_maxm% 3D12%26as_maxy% 3
D2003%26start%3 D20%26sa%3DN[color=blue]
>
>
> Let me ask you which of the following outcomes you would prefer:
>
> A. You multipost a few times and initially get answers to your questions,
> but then you realize that nobody is answering your questions or even[/color]
giving[color=blue]
> you an indication that they have read your questions.
>
> or
>
> B. Your initial multipost receives a response requesting you to refrain[/color]
from[color=blue]
> multiposting, so you stop multiposting and receive prompt answers on all
> your future questions
>
> I think if you reflect on it, you will realize that Ray was attempting to[/color]
do[color=blue]
> you a favor.
>
> Bob Barrows
>
> --
> Microsoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET
> Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From
> header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a
> quicker response by posting to the newsgroup.
>
>[/color]

[Bob Barrows]

Re: VBS in ASP

Fox wrote:
<snip>
Last attempt.
We regulars take a huge part of our days answering very many questions.
There is no way we could answer as many questions as we do without resorting
to some shortcuts such as posting links to web pages that basically say what
we want to say instead of retyping these replies every time.

While I do agree that the message in 5003 is a little strongly worded (which
is why I no longer link to it), I have to say that the message is valid.
Multiposting IS annoying, and can cause people to start ignoring you if you
keep doing it (especially if the multipost caused them to waste their time
typing an unnecessary reply).

In your desperation to get help quickly, you unknowingly violated basic
netiquette. Repeat violations of netiquette will cause regular posters to
ignore the violator. So, instead of succeeding in getting prompt assistance,
you have instead succeeeded in causing people to "turn you off"

When informed of this, you decided to react defensively instead of admitting
your mistake and promising to do better in the future.

I have to tell you, I was very close to using the Block Sender feature in
Outlook Express rather than take the time to write this reply. Furthermore,
I will not allow you to take up any more of my time if you persist in
attempting to defend yourself in this way.

Bob Barrows

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[Fox]

Re: VBS in ASP

Gee, I am making friends all over the group.
Geesh, have you read that obnoxious thing Ray
sent me to. I do not object to the advice I object
to the immature attitude. He can surely express
himself well when helping people and if he was
truly trying to help me by warning me why would
he send me to an insult instead of speaking for
himself about a very simple issue which by the
way he and someone else explained afterwards
in just a few words. Could have done that in the
first place.

As I said on the other thread, even though both of
these threads should have already died, I am not new
to the NGs and I know the way things are done.
I know how some people get their rocks off and
show off by towing the line and amusing their buds.

I know other people ignore that drivel and they do help.
If you want to put a price on your help and that price is
that I never sway from your standard no matter what
the reason or that I never bother to try to meet
a deadline that can cost me my livelihood, than we
are on different pages on what it means to help people.

And I am well aware that rarely can writing back to people
who cop these attitudes in the name of how good they
are to others, ever be reached. That is simply because
they have a chip on their shoulder and they are not interested
in being sef-effacing. So if you want to be the same that is
up to you. I have always respected and have been more
than greatful and thankful for any help I ever get on the NGs.
Ray was barking up the wrong tree and insulting someone
who did not deserve nor require it. That is my issue and
my only issue.

Fox

"Aaron Bertrand - MVP" <aaron@TRASHasp faq.com> wrote in message
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> > Maybe there was a reason.[/color]
>
> The only reasons I know of for multi-posting are that a person is[/color]
impatient[color=blue]
> or thinks their question is so much more important than others that they[/color]
are[color=blue]
> excluded from observing etiquette.
>[color=green]
> > Grow up ![/color]
>
> No, learn to use the groups effectively. You're here to get help, right?
> People that come here to help you are going to be unwilling to do so if[/color]
you[color=blue]
> ignore established etiquette, and give all kinds of attitude...
>
> --
> Aaron Bertrand
> SQL Server MVP
> http://www.aspfaq.com/
>
>[/color]

[Fox]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

No, now that I know that these two groups are so inticately tied I will
not be posting in both. If I knew I would not have in the first place.
[color=blue]
> We regulars take a huge part of our days answering very many questions.
> There is no way we could answer as many questions as we do without[/color]
resorting[color=blue]
> to some shortcuts such as posting links to web pages that basically say[/color]
what[color=blue]
> we want to say instead of retyping these replies every time.[/color]

Understood and always known and accepted. Was not my intent to insult
anyone but to shine some light on Ray sending me to what was an insult
when I was at my wits end about my circumstances. Maybe you
can cut me slack on that one ?
[color=blue]
> While I do agree that the message in 5003 is a little strongly worded[/color]
(which[color=blue]
> is why I no longer link to it), I have to say that the message is valid.[/color]

Agreed, but not always neccesary to jump to and sometimes we need
to think outside the box and think about how we just may not realise
someone else's situation.
[color=blue]
> Multiposting IS annoying, and can cause people to start ignoring you if[/color]
you[color=blue]
> keep doing it (especially if the multipost caused them to waste their time
> typing an unnecessary reply).[/color]

No doubt. And even though I felt I had to post in the other group as well
I did shut it down as soon as there was a response here. That must
say something about having at least shown some respect in spite of
what you saw as a total violation.
[color=blue]
> When informed of this, you decided to react defensively instead of[/color]
admitting[color=blue]
> your mistake and promising to do better in the future.[/color]

I reacted to an insult at a time of stress. This does not say that I do not
have the utmost respect for all the people and help I have gotten
on this board. I have been here on and off for over a year and could
not have gotten a darn thing done without the great and patient help
I have recevied. I have never intentionally double posted but have been
flamed for being on the wrong board. So each of us experiences
different things and causes us to react in different ways. Whether it
matters to you or not, I will tell that the truth is that I was about to
lose
the only thing that I had going which was going to lead to maybe being
able to support my family this coming year. Things have been awful.
I am not going to go into details, but please believe my family cannot
take anymore financial blows we are at the end of the rope. That is the
only reason I posted twice and in that I did not know I was double
posting because I know nothing about CDO but knew that the script
I was given was not going to work for me as a VBS. I never
even saw a VBS before, I am a novice to that. I knew I had to put it in a
web page to make it work so thought to ask in VBS and also thought
to ask in ASP. I posted and was sure that I would be flamed for being
in the wrong group in one or the other and had no time to reach my
deadline. That is all this is about and nothing more.

The good thing is I got out of bed at 11 last nite abd vowed to
figure out my problem. I had about 10 sample scripts and
having spent at least 6 hours reading examples and posts on web pages
I finally at 5am got what I needed working.

Please do not make me a fool for opening up.

Regards,
Fox

"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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> Fox wrote:
> <snip>
> Last attempt.
>[/color]
[color=blue]
>
> In your desperation to get help quickly, you unknowingly violated basic
> netiquette. Repeat violations of netiquette will cause regular posters to
> ignore the violator. So, instead of succeeding in getting prompt[/color]
assistance,[color=blue]
> you have instead succeeeded in causing people to "turn you off"
>
>
> I have to tell you, I was very close to using the Block Sender feature in
> Outlook Express rather than take the time to write this reply.[/color]
Furthermore,[color=blue]
> I will not allow you to take up any more of my time if you persist in
> attempting to defend yourself in this way.
>
> Bob Barrows
>
> --
> Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET
> Please reply to the newsgroup. This email account is my spam trap so I
> don't check it very often. If you must reply off-line, then remove the
> "NO SPAM"
>
>[/color]

[Bob Barrows]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

It's not your fault, but you're still missing the point. It's not the
"posting to two groups" to which we are objecting. Multiposting is the
problem.

That is the other reason that I no longer link to that aspfaq article: it
says nothing about the more accepted technique for posting to multiple
newsgroups: crossposting. From my canned response:

There are times when you will not be sure which group is most appropriate
and you will want to post a question to both groups. In that situation, you
should use the cross-posting technique, rather than posting the same message
multiple times. To crosspost, put a semicolon-delimited* list of the
newsgroups to which you wish to post in the To: header of your post and post
it once. It, and any replies to it, will appear in all the newsgroups in
your list. This way nobody will reply to a message that already has a valid
answer.

* ... or whatever delimiter is recognized by your news client


And that is my last word on this subject :-)

Bob Barrows

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[Fox]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

> It's not your fault, but you're still missing the point. It's not the[color=blue]
> "posting to two groups" to which we are objecting. Multiposting is the
> problem.[/color]

That's not something I knew anything about. Thanks for the heads up.
Now I have gained something important from all this.

I don't want any enemies. How do I get rid of my stigma and the past
getting off on the wrong foot with you ?

Thanks for you elaborate explanations ;)))

Regards,
Fox

[Bob Barrows]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

Fox wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> It's not your fault, but you're still missing the point. It's not the
>> "posting to two groups" to which we are objecting. Multiposting is
>> the problem.[/color]
>
> That's not something I knew anything about. Thanks for the heads up.
> Now I have gained something important from all this.
>
> I don't want any enemies. How do I get rid of my stigma and the past
> getting off on the wrong foot with you ?
>[/color]

Deliver your first-born child to ... oh, wait a minute ... that's for
spinning straw into gold. You don't have to guess my true name either. ;-)

Let's see, how about: Go forth and sin no more.

or, the Tony Soprano version: fuggedaboudit

Of course, I'm strictly speaking for myself. Ray's a different story. I
still maintain he was trying to help. It's up to you but you may wish to
consider clearing the air with him via private email.

Bob Barrows
--
Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET
Please reply to the newsgroup. This email account is my spam trap so I
don't check it very often. If you must reply off-line, then remove the
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[Fox]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

I did try to talk to Ray and apologized on the other group.
He did not respond. In fact I heavily thanked him for all he does and
even told him that I recognized his name and thought he had helped me
in the past. I wanted to put this all behind us. I saw his name all over
and could see how much help he was giving. I honestly repect that.
Maybe he does not believe me?

Like you said, it is up to him. That is why I did not include him in this
last message. I am not lumping you together.

Thanks,
Fox


"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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> Fox wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> It's not your fault, but you're still missing the point. It's not the
> >> "posting to two groups" to which we are objecting. Multiposting is
> >> the problem.[/color]
> >
> > That's not something I knew anything about. Thanks for the heads up.
> > Now I have gained something important from all this.
> >
> > I don't want any enemies. How do I get rid of my stigma and the past
> > getting off on the wrong foot with you ?
> >[/color]
>
> Deliver your first-born child to ... oh, wait a minute ... that's for
> spinning straw into gold. You don't have to guess my true name either. ;-)
>
> Let's see, how about: Go forth and sin no more.
>
> or, the Tony Soprano version: fuggedaboudit
>
> Of course, I'm strictly speaking for myself. Ray's a different story. I
> still maintain he was trying to help. It's up to you but you may wish to
> consider clearing the air with him via private email.
>
> Bob Barrows
> --
> Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET
> Please reply to the newsgroup. This email account is my spam trap so I
> don't check it very often. If you must reply off-line, then remove the
> "NO SPAM"
>
>[/color]

[Ray at]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP


"Fox" <fox @ connexions .net> wrote in message
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>
> I don't want any enemies. How do I get rid of my stigma and the past
> getting off on the wrong foot with you ?
>[/color]

I don't think you have to worry about that too much here. ASP-folk are very
kind. :]

Ray at work

[Ray at]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP


"Bob Barrows" <reb01501@NOyah oo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> Of course, I'm strictly speaking for myself. Ray's a different story. I
> still maintain he was trying to help. It's up to you but you may wish to
> consider clearing the air with him via private email.[/color]

No, totally not necessary. I don't have any ill-feelings or anything.

Ray at work

[Roland Hall]

Re: Sort of an apology in ways VBS in ASP

"Bob Barrows" wrote:[color=blue]
> or, the Tony Soprano version: fuggedaboudit[/color]

John Gotti just turned over in his grave. Robert "Bobby the Bull"
Barrows....hmmm ...nah. (O:=