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  • Simon van Beek
    #1

    How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

    Dear reader,



    By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
    closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to make
    this closing cross invisible?

    All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
    closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.



    Thanks for any help.

    Kind regards,

    Simon


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    • Tom van Stiphout
      #2
      Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

      On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
      <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote:

      That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
      accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
      do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
      them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
      You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.

      So what are you really trying to accomplish?

      -Tom.
      Microsoft Access MVP

      >Dear reader,
      >
      >
      >
      >By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
      >closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to make
      >this closing cross invisible?
      >
      >All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
      >closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
      >
      >
      >
      >Thanks for any help.
      >
      >Kind regards,
      >
      >Simon
      >

        Comment

        • Simon van Beek
          #3
          Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

          Tom,

          I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this button
          [x] but
          they have to close the application via a form.

          -Simon
          "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom774 4@cox.netwrote in message
          news:dvp6b4d95e sjkoho5f5kna4k9 u7b2dksii@4ax.c om...
          On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
          <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote:
          >
          That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
          accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
          do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
          them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
          You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
          >
          So what are you really trying to accomplish?
          >
          -Tom.
          Microsoft Access MVP
          >
          >
          >>Dear reader,
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
          >>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
          >>make
          >>this closing cross invisible?
          >>
          >>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
          >>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>Thanks for any help.
          >>
          >>Kind regards,
          >>
          >>Simon
          >>

            Comment

            • Phil Stanton
              #4
              Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

              I hace a form ( Very Very old switchboard form probably from Access 2.)

              This is always sitting behind anything else that is open. Briefly it has a
              text box "CloseOK" which is either set to 1 0r 0 and a command button
              "CloseDB" I hide the CloseOK Text box by making the border transparent and
              the font colour the same as the background ans sometimes lock the control

              CloseOK is set to 0 on opening the form

              Then there is this bit of code which stops the form and consequently the Db
              from closing

              Private Sub Form_Unload(Can cel As Integer)

              If CloseOK = 0 Then ' Must keep the switcboard open
              DoCmd.CancelEve nt
              End If
              End Sub

              On pressing the CloseDB button we have

              Sub CloseDB_Click
              CloseOK = 1 ' OK to close database
              RunCommand acCmdExit
              Exit Sub

              In practice I have all sorts or routines that check whether I am using an
              MDB file (for developement purposes) where I can still access the CloseOK
              control and an MDE file where it is not accessible .... but there I agree
              with Tom , it does get complicated

              HTH

              Phil



              "Simon van Beek" <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote in message
              news:48b38f25$0 $13008$bf4948fe @news.tele2.nl. ..
              Tom,
              >
              I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
              button [x] but
              they have to close the application via a form.
              >
              -Simon
              "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom774 4@cox.netwrote in message
              news:dvp6b4d95e sjkoho5f5kna4k9 u7b2dksii@4ax.c om...
              >On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
              ><SvanBeekNL@Ve rsatel.nlwrote:
              >>
              >That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
              >accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
              >do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
              >them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
              >You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
              >>
              >So what are you really trying to accomplish?
              >>
              >-Tom.
              >Microsoft Access MVP
              >>
              >>
              >>>Dear reader,
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
              >>>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
              >>>make
              >>>this closing cross invisible?
              >>>
              >>>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
              >>>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>Thanks for any help.
              >>>
              >>>Kind regards,
              >>>
              >>>Simon
              >>>
              >
              >

                Comment

                • Keith Wilby
                  #5
                  Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                  "Simon van Beek" <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote in message
                  news:48b38f25$0 $13008$bf4948fe @news.tele2.nl. ..
                  Tom,
                  >
                  I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
                  button [x] but
                  they have to close the application via a form.
                  >
                  Is this because you want an event to run when the form closes? The easist
                  way to force this to happen is the hide the database window using the
                  Tools/Startup options. Also, check out the "popup" and "modal" form
                  properties.

                  Regards,
                  Keith.

                    Comment

                    • lyle fairfield
                      #6
                      Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                      I wonder why MS put that silly close button there anyway.
                      Why would we want a GUI common to all our applications?
                      Some developers envision their own GUI that is so superior to the
                      Windows standard that its implementation makes sacrificing uniformity
                      quite worthwhile.

                      What I can't understand is why there is an inverse relationship
                      between the competence of the poster and this design brilliance. How
                      can one be sufficiently creative to generate these new design ideas
                      without actually knowing anything about how the old is effected, or
                      how the new might be implemented? This is where I fail. Having
                      struggled with the Windows API extensively for ten or twelve years, I
                      can pretty much do whatever I want with the GUI but I never feel
                      motivated to do so. I have this quaint notion that if Sharon can close
                      a Word document by clicking a red X in its upper right hand corner, it
                      make sense for Sharon to be able to close Access applications and
                      forms by clicking red X's in their upper right hand corner.

                      I suppose a very few might have painted-themselves-into-a-corner
                      through idiotic design and extraordinarily foolish coding. But you
                      only see that in 95% of the posts here.

                      Well ... 99.44% max!

                      On Aug 26, 1:05 am, "Simon van Beek" <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                      Tom,
                      >
                      I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this button
                      [x] but
                      they have to close the application via a form.
                      >
                      -Simon
                      "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom7.. .@cox.netwrote in messagenews:dvp 6b4d95esjkoho5f 5kna4k9u7b2dksi i@4ax.com...
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                      <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                      >
                      That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
                      accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
                      do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
                      them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
                      You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
                      >
                      So what are you really trying to accomplish?
                      >
                      -Tom.
                      Microsoft Access MVP
                      >
                      >Dear reader,
                      >
                      >By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
                      >closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
                      >make
                      >this closing cross invisible?
                      >
                      >All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
                      >closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
                      >
                      >Thanks for any help.
                      >
                      >Kind regards,
                      >
                      >Simon

                        Comment

                        • Simon van Beek
                          #7
                          Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                          Dear all,



                          In the form Tools/Startup….. I can’t find a tick box to make the Windows
                          window invisible.

                          And now I am look for code how to make the Windows window invisible so the
                          user can only close the application via a form.



                          -Simon

                          "Keith Wilby" <here@there.com wrote in message
                          news:48b3c4ff$1 _1@glkas0286.gr eenlnk.net...
                          "Simon van Beek" <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote in message
                          news:48b38f25$0 $13008$bf4948fe @news.tele2.nl. ..
                          >Tom,
                          >>
                          >I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
                          >button [x] but
                          >they have to close the application via a form.
                          >>
                          >
                          Is this because you want an event to run when the form closes? The easist
                          way to force this to happen is the hide the database window using the
                          Tools/Startup options. Also, check out the "popup" and "modal" form
                          properties.
                          >
                          Regards,
                          Keith.

                            Comment

                            • Tom van Stiphout
                              #8
                              Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                              On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:05:31 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                              <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote:

                              Hi Simon,
                              I would phrase it a bit more elegantly than Lyle, but I do feel he is
                              right on the substance. It is REALLY unusual to require this sort of
                              functionality; there usually is a MUCH better and more compatible
                              alternative.
                              I hope you won't be offended and will take the criticism to heart.
                              Perhaps you will post a new message that starts with: "I want to do
                              ABC and the best way I can think of doing that is to diable the Close
                              Application button. Can you suggest better alternatives?"

                              -Tom.
                              Microsoft Access MVP

                              >Tom,
                              >
                              >I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this button
                              >[x] but
                              >they have to close the application via a form.
                              >
                              >-Simon
                              >"Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom774 4@cox.netwrote in message
                              >news:dvp6b4d95 esjkoho5f5kna4k 9u7b2dksii@4ax. com...
                              >On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                              ><SvanBeekNL@Ve rsatel.nlwrote:
                              >>
                              >That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
                              >accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
                              >do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
                              >them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
                              >You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
                              >>
                              >So what are you really trying to accomplish?
                              >>
                              >-Tom.
                              >Microsoft Access MVP
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>>Dear reader,
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
                              >>>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
                              >>>make
                              >>>this closing cross invisible?
                              >>>
                              >>>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
                              >>>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>Thanks for any help.
                              >>>
                              >>>Kind regards,
                              >>>
                              >>>Simon
                              >>>
                              >

                                Comment

                                • Simon van Beek
                                  #9
                                  Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                                  Tom,

                                  The only what I can say now is Lyle is a little bit frustrated and he needs
                                  professional help and we are not able to help him.

                                  Kind regards,

                                  Simon



                                  "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom774 4@cox.netwrote in message
                                  news:6lc9b450pn 816rc5fiefg9p30 c2ifj1r5f@4ax.c om...
                                  On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:05:31 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                  <SvanBeekNL@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                                  >
                                  Hi Simon,
                                  I would phrase it a bit more elegantly than Lyle, but I do feel he is
                                  right on the substance. It is REALLY unusual to require this sort of
                                  functionality; there usually is a MUCH better and more compatible
                                  alternative.
                                  I hope you won't be offended and will take the criticism to heart.
                                  Perhaps you will post a new message that starts with: "I want to do
                                  ABC and the best way I can think of doing that is to diable the Close
                                  Application button. Can you suggest better alternatives?"
                                  >
                                  -Tom.
                                  Microsoft Access MVP
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >>Tom,
                                  >>
                                  >>I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
                                  >>button
                                  >>[x] but
                                  >>they have to close the application via a form.
                                  >>
                                  >>-Simon
                                  >>"Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom774 4@cox.netwrote in message
                                  >>news:dvp6b4d9 5esjkoho5f5kna4 k9u7b2dksii@4ax .com...
                                  >>On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                  >><SvanBeekNL@V ersatel.nlwrote :
                                  >>>
                                  >>That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
                                  >>accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
                                  >>do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
                                  >>them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
                                  >>You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
                                  >>>
                                  >>So what are you really trying to accomplish?
                                  >>>
                                  >>-Tom.
                                  >>Microsoft Access MVP
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>>Dear reader,
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
                                  >>>>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
                                  >>>>make
                                  >>>>this closing cross invisible?
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
                                  >>>>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>Thanks for any help.
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>Kind regards,
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>Simon
                                  >>>>
                                  >>

                                    Comment

                                    • lyle fairfield
                                      #10
                                      Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                                      Speaking of "profession al" help someone wrote EnableTitleBarC ontrols
                                      and DisableTitleBar Controls procedures and published them in CDMA back
                                      in the previous century.
                                      http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/96a49834e9e666a1


                                      Oh, what a dilemma this is! He wrote EnableCloseButt on and
                                      DisableCloseBut ton procedures too.
                                      http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/6149d160dcdcb973


                                      Who could it have been?

                                      They're not exactly what you want as they act on the Access window
                                      instead of a form but they could easily be modified by anyone who
                                      wasn't bone-dead lazy and bucket-of-rocks stupid, to meet your
                                      request. I guess that explains why I didn't suggest them earlier.

                                      Did I mention that the procedure writer said in the same thread, "I
                                      have no idea why anyone Would_Want to do this. (I'm assuming there
                                      must be some way to close, so why not let Access do it in what appears
                                      to be a safe way)"? Right now in 2008 the bucket-of-rocks stupid
                                      hypothesis seems promising.

                                      On Aug 27, 1:48 am, "Simon van Beek" <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                                      Tom,
                                      >
                                      The only what I can say now is Lyle is a little bit frustrated and he needs
                                      professional help and we are not able to help him.
                                      >
                                      Kind regards,
                                      >
                                      Simon
                                      >
                                      "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom7.. .@cox.netwrote in messagenews:6lc 9b450pn816rc5fi efg9p30c2ifj1r5 f@4ax.com...
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:05:31 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                      <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                                      >
                                      Hi Simon,
                                      I would phrase it a bit more elegantly than Lyle, but I do feel he is
                                      right on the substance. It is REALLY unusual to require this sort of
                                      functionality; there usually is a MUCH better and more compatible
                                      alternative.
                                      I hope you won't be offended and will take the criticism to heart.
                                      Perhaps you will post a new message that starts with: "I want to do
                                      ABC and the best way I can think of doing that is to diable the Close
                                      Application button. Can you suggest better alternatives?"
                                      >
                                      -Tom.
                                      Microsoft Access MVP
                                      >
                                      >Tom,
                                      >
                                      >I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
                                      >button
                                      >[x] but
                                      >they have to close the application via a form.
                                      >
                                      >-Simon
                                      >"Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom7.. .@cox.netwrote in message
                                      >news:dvp6b4d95 esjkoho5f5kna4k 9u7b2dksii@4ax. com...
                                      >On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                      ><SvanBee...@Ve rsatel.nlwrote:
                                      >
                                      >That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
                                      >accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
                                      >do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
                                      >them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
                                      >You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
                                      >
                                      >So what are you really trying to accomplish?
                                      >
                                      >-Tom.
                                      >Microsoft Access MVP
                                      >
                                      >>>Dear reader,
                                      >
                                      >>>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
                                      >>>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
                                      >>>make
                                      >>>this closing cross invisible?
                                      >
                                      >>>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
                                      >>>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
                                      >
                                      >>>Thanks for any help.
                                      >
                                      >>>Kind regards,
                                      >
                                      >>>Simon

                                        Comment

                                        • Phil Stanton
                                          #11
                                          Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                                          What a long winded tale this is.

                                          The reason that I have stopped the normal closing of a form (& Db) is that I
                                          am using Peters "ShrinkerStretc her to resize a form and it's controls. If I
                                          have modified a form in design view, switched to form view and save the
                                          form, the size of every control gets changed. So it is essential that a
                                          modified form can only be closed and saved from desigh view, not form view.

                                          Maybe you did in in anticipation of things to come.

                                          Phil


                                          "lyle fairfield" <lyle.fairfield @gmail.comwrote in message
                                          news:a3fd6e4d-d9fc-48ee-889d-38a7f42b8eb5@56 g2000hsm.google groups.com...
                                          Speaking of "profession al" help someone wrote EnableTitleBarC ontrols
                                          and DisableTitleBar Controls procedures and published them in CDMA back
                                          in the previous century.
                                          http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/96a49834e9e666a1


                                          Oh, what a dilemma this is! He wrote EnableCloseButt on and
                                          DisableCloseBut ton procedures too.
                                          http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/6149d160dcdcb973


                                          Who could it have been?

                                          They're not exactly what you want as they act on the Access window
                                          instead of a form but they could easily be modified by anyone who
                                          wasn't bone-dead lazy and bucket-of-rocks stupid, to meet your
                                          request. I guess that explains why I didn't suggest them earlier.

                                          Did I mention that the procedure writer said in the same thread, "I
                                          have no idea why anyone Would_Want to do this. (I'm assuming there
                                          must be some way to close, so why not let Access do it in what appears
                                          to be a safe way)"? Right now in 2008 the bucket-of-rocks stupid
                                          hypothesis seems promising.

                                          On Aug 27, 1:48 am, "Simon van Beek" <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                                          Tom,
                                          >
                                          The only what I can say now is Lyle is a little bit frustrated and he
                                          needs
                                          professional help and we are not able to help him.
                                          >
                                          Kind regards,
                                          >
                                          Simon
                                          >
                                          "Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom7.. .@cox.netwrote in
                                          messagenews:6lc 9b450pn816rc5fi efg9p30c2ifj1r5 f@4ax.com...
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:05:31 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                          <SvanBee...@Ver satel.nlwrote:
                                          >
                                          Hi Simon,
                                          I would phrase it a bit more elegantly than Lyle, but I do feel he is
                                          right on the substance. It is REALLY unusual to require this sort of
                                          functionality; there usually is a MUCH better and more compatible
                                          alternative.
                                          I hope you won't be offended and will take the criticism to heart.
                                          Perhaps you will post a new message that starts with: "I want to do
                                          ABC and the best way I can think of doing that is to diable the Close
                                          Application button. Can you suggest better alternatives?"
                                          >
                                          -Tom.
                                          Microsoft Access MVP
                                          >
                                          >Tom,
                                          >
                                          >I try to accomplish that users can't close the application with this
                                          >button
                                          >[x] but
                                          >they have to close the application via a form.
                                          >
                                          >-Simon
                                          >"Tom van Stiphout" <no.spam.tom7.. .@cox.netwrote in message
                                          >news:dvp6b4d95 esjkoho5f5kna4k 9u7b2dksii@4ax. com...
                                          >On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:13:06 +0200, "Simon van Beek"
                                          ><SvanBee...@Ve rsatel.nlwrote:
                                          >
                                          >That's not impossible, but not easy either. What are you trying to
                                          >accomplish? That users can't close your app? There are other ways to
                                          >do that (e.g. see Cancel argument of Form_Unload). Remember some of
                                          >them will use Task Manager to nuke your app if you go down that way.
                                          >You can intercept that as well, but at an even higher cost.
                                          >
                                          >So what are you really trying to accomplish?
                                          >
                                          >-Tom.
                                          >Microsoft Access MVP
                                          >
                                          >>>Dear reader,
                                          >
                                          >>>By opening an application I get always the main Access window with the
                                          >>>closing cross [x] in the above right corner. Is there a possibility to
                                          >>>make
                                          >>>this closing cross invisible?
                                          >
                                          >>>All the settings in the Start-up form under Tools are disabled but the
                                          >>>closing cross in the above right corner is still visible.
                                          >
                                          >>>Thanks for any help.
                                          >
                                          >>>Kind regards,
                                          >
                                          >>>Simon

                                            Comment

                                            • CDMAPoster@fortunejames.com
                                              #12
                                              Re: How to make the right corner closing cross invisible

                                              On Aug 27, 6:51 am, lyle fairfield <lyle.fairfi... @gmail.comwrote :
                                              Speaking of "profession al" help someone wrote EnableTitleBarC ontrols
                                              and DisableTitleBar Controls procedures and published them in CDMA back
                                              in the previous century.http://groups.google.com/group/comp..../msg/96a49834e...
                                              >
                                              Oh, what a dilemma this is! He wrote EnableCloseButt on and
                                              DisableCloseBut ton procedures too.http://groups.google.com/group/comp..../msg/6149d160d...
                                              >
                                              Who could it have been?
                                              It wasn't this James. C.f.:

                                              http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/2554712169e1eafe


                                              "I found some code somewhere (perhaps Jeff's site), "

                                              Even though I posted to CDMA in 1994,

                                              http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/4f7bff5d5affd8b8


                                              the code I found was implemented after 1999.

                                              James A. Fortune
                                              CDMAPoster@Fort uneJames.com

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