Microsoft's development ethic.

[Paul H]

I was just browsing through the following MS page:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb421308.aspx

and was stunned to read:

"Casual and intermediate users generally will not stumble on this, so
your objects are protected."

Jesus I drive myself nuts trying to second guess what users might do.
The sentence above gives an insight into the profound complacency of
the author (and possibly the Access 2007 development team). That
sentence should be branded to their chests as they are set on fire and
dragged behind wild horses. To clarify the point, someone should tell
them "it'll be absolutely fine as long as you shut your eyes."


Paul

[Tom van Stiphout]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:26:35 -0700 (PDT), Paul H
<google@comcraf t.freeserve.co. ukwrote:

I see it more as an attempt to provide multiple layers of security,
some very easy to implement but also very easy to defeat, such as this
one. The point is that not every organisation is Fort Knox, and simple
steps to keep good-willing employees from accidentally harming the
system are a good idea.

-Tom.

>I was just browsing through the following MS page:
>
>http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb421308.aspx
>
>and was stunned to read:
>
>"Casual and intermediate users generally will not stumble on this, so
>your objects are protected."
>
>Jesus I drive myself nuts trying to second guess what users might do.
>The sentence above gives an insight into the profound complacency of
>the author (and possibly the Access 2007 development team). That
>sentence should be branded to their chests as they are set on fire and
>dragged behind wild horses. To clarify the point, someone should tell
>them "it'll be absolutely fine as long as you shut your eyes."
>
>
>Paul

[David W. Fenton]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

"Albert D. Kallal" <PleaseNOOOsPAM mkallal@msn.com wrote in
news:GIUHj.1408 73$pM4.55125@pd 7urf1no:

My point is that in real life scenarios, or in software, we often
use Obfuscation.

But that's not security.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[rkc]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

Paul H wrote:

I was just browsing through the following MS page:
>

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb421308.aspx

>
and was stunned to read:
>
"Casual and intermediate users generally will not stumble on this, so
your objects are protected."
>
Jesus I drive myself nuts trying to second guess what users might do.
The sentence above gives an insight into the profound complacency of
the author (and possibly the Access 2007 development team). That
sentence should be branded to their chests as they are set on fire and
dragged behind wild horses. To clarify the point, someone should tell
them "it'll be absolutely fine as long as you shut your eyes."
>
>
Paul

"For new developers: the day that you start to understand how to use and
develop Access databases by using both live and development folders for
front ends and back ends is the day when you move from being just a
power user to an Access developer."

The secret is revealed. The questions here should drop of significantly
once it spreads.

[Larry Linson]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

"Paul H" <google@comcraf t.freeserve.co. ukwrote

In truth, I am wiser for all of the responses my post
received.

As, I am certain, are we all. That's what newsgroups are about.

I still think "intermedia te" users are the most
dangerous bunch. :O)

I'd say "any user who thinks he/she knows a lot more than he/she actually
does."

Larry Linson
Microsoft Office Access MVP

[DFS]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

Larry Linson wrote:

"Paul H" <google@comcraf t.freeserve.co. ukwrote
>

>In truth, I am wiser for all of the responses my post
>received.

>
As, I am certain, are we all. That's what newsgroups are about.
>

>I still think "intermedia te" users are the most
>dangerous bunch. :O)

>
I'd say "any user who thinks he/she knows a lot more than he/she
actually does."

ha! This is rich coming from you Larry.

A while back you said this to me: "Anytime, my friend, that Lyle and I
agree, you should take heed, because we differ on a great many matters of
opinion, so our areas of agreement are more often than not, matters of
fact."

[Larry Linson]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

Hmm. If Lyle had a post in this thread, it is not showing up on my
newsreader.

But, there's a great deal of truth in my statement that you quote. I have
great respect for Lyle's knowledge and experience, as I think he has for
mine. We have disagreed sometimes when our respective views have been
influenced by the different kinds of database application we sometimes
address, and, strange as it may seem, there have been times when we later
agreed because one, or both, of us has been led by someone or our own
experience to a higher level of "enlightenm ent" on a particular subject.

You know the axiom about "opinions", I'm sure.

Larry


"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.co mwrote in message
news:%9BKj.3205 3$r76.5368@bign ews8.bellsouth. net...

Larry Linson wrote:

>"Paul H" <google@comcraf t.freeserve.co. ukwrote
>>

>>In truth, I am wiser for all of the responses my post
>>received.

>>
>As, I am certain, are we all. That's what newsgroups are about.
>>

>>I still think "intermedia te" users are the most
>>dangerous bunch. :O)

>>
>I'd say "any user who thinks he/she knows a lot more than he/she
>actually does."

>
ha! This is rich coming from you Larry.
>
A while back you said this to me: "Anytime, my friend, that Lyle and I
agree, you should take heed, because we differ on a great many matters of
opinion, so our areas of agreement are more often than not, matters of
fact."
>
>
>
>

[Tony Toews [MVP]]

Re: Microsoft's development ethic.

Paul H <google@comcraf t.freeserve.co. ukwrote:

I still think "intermedia te" users are the most dangerous
>bunch. :O)

Yup, just experienced enough to insist that their way is the best.

I've heard that the scariest pilots are those with about 100 to 200 hours. Or 18
year olds are scarier drivers than 16 year olds.

tony
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